With love and respect fren, God made both angels and demons, from each, one third fell. Those beings that we battle with are fallen angels and fallen demons.
"But pastor didn't say that." There's a lot of pastors who don't say, and excommunicate people who do say.
"Arent you just mincing words?"
Why don't we like it when the left does that again? Oh right.
I never said unfallen. The creation story doesn't mention the creation of either. It leaves a lot out. The war in heaven occurred before the fall on earth. Angels were made to manage the material existence. Demons were made to manage the force existence (darkness, gods will and unknowable mind). One maintains existence, the other manages what allows existence.
Both were made by God. Lucifer is a fallen angel of light. He fell by defying God, and attempting to be God. He convinced many to fall with him, including many demons. The number of each race that fell was about one third.
Many Christians do not believe that God created demons, but rather, that some beings in existence gained authority over themselves, and were able to recreate themselves without God's authority, and that they could create other things like weed, or whatever else people assign to "the devil." The devil created nothing, demons and angels are separate creations, lucifer appears as an angel of light because he can't change his form because he is not God, and angels did not become demons when the fell.
Mankind fell. Are we demons now? No, stupid question. Why would falling change your entire make up, when it is just a shell for a spirit?
I assure you, a corrupted spirit is worse than a deformed figure. All the scary monsters people make for you to fear, are soft fuzzy bunnies stick in a bear trap as far as God is concerned. We assign a fear value to anything but God. Its why people believe stupid things.
With love and respect fren, God made both angels and demons, from each, one third fell. Those beings that we battle with are fallen angels and fallen demons. "But pastor didn't say that." There's a lot of pastors who don't say, and excommunicate people who do say. "Arent you just mincing words?" Why don't we like it when the left does that again? Oh right.
Can you explain what a fallen/unfallen demons are? Never really heard of fallen/unfallen demons and I'm curious.
Here we go again.
I never said unfallen. The creation story doesn't mention the creation of either. It leaves a lot out. The war in heaven occurred before the fall on earth. Angels were made to manage the material existence. Demons were made to manage the force existence (darkness, gods will and unknowable mind). One maintains existence, the other manages what allows existence. Both were made by God. Lucifer is a fallen angel of light. He fell by defying God, and attempting to be God. He convinced many to fall with him, including many demons. The number of each race that fell was about one third.
Many Christians do not believe that God created demons, but rather, that some beings in existence gained authority over themselves, and were able to recreate themselves without God's authority, and that they could create other things like weed, or whatever else people assign to "the devil." The devil created nothing, demons and angels are separate creations, lucifer appears as an angel of light because he can't change his form because he is not God, and angels did not become demons when the fell.
Mankind fell. Are we demons now? No, stupid question. Why would falling change your entire make up, when it is just a shell for a spirit?
I assure you, a corrupted spirit is worse than a deformed figure. All the scary monsters people make for you to fear, are soft fuzzy bunnies stick in a bear trap as far as God is concerned. We assign a fear value to anything but God. Its why people believe stupid things.