Forget PA. Lived there all my life in major cities, in suburbs, and rural. Only rural areas were ok mostly because you didnt see that many people. Western PA was recently gerrymandered so conservative Beaver county was sucked into liberal Allegheny county... and I expect this will continue.
PA taxes EVERYTHING. I would often go into Ohio to shop, get car gas, booze, etc in some cases 1/2 the cost of PA stores all because of the taxes. PA also has a very high senior citizen population being replaced with new migrants. I heard illegals were dropped off at Albion, Pittsburgh, Johnstown.
And for both cities, winters can be very harsh due to lake effect snow. When in Erie, the only place that did not look depressed, dirty, falling apart was the beach. Consider too health care. People in Erie hate UPMC but UPMC took over their larger hospital, only 1 small hospital otherwise. Most people I knew who lived there or near there would go to Cleveland Clinic for medical care but I hear they are woke too.
All in all, why would you be interested in either city.
Lived in Erie, often went into Ashtabula.
Forget PA. Lived there all my life in major cities, in suburbs, and rural. Only rural areas were ok mostly because you didnt see that many people. Western PA was recently gerrymandered so conservative Beaver county was sucked into liberal Allegheny county... and I expect this will continue.
PA taxes EVERYTHING. I would often go into Ohio to shop, get car gas, booze, etc in some cases 1/2 the cost of PA stores all because of the taxes. PA also has a very high senior citizen population being replaced with new migrants. I heard illegals were dropped off at Albion, Pittsburgh, Johnstown.
And for both cities, winters can be very harsh due to lake effect snow. When in Erie, the only place that did not look depressed, dirty, falling apart was the beach. Consider too health care. People in Erie hate UPMC but UPMC took over their larger hospital, only 1 small hospital otherwise. Most people I knew who lived there or near there would go to Cleveland Clinic for medical care but I hear they are woke too.
All in all, why would you be interested in either city.
They seem to be nice, cheap towns with good access to the lake.