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Please disregard all of the replies youve recieved about the topic of kabbalah, or as I like to call it - Ka-bla-bla.

I'm an Israeli jewborn vet anon with philosophical autism and ultra orthodox relatives who consider me a dangerous yet intriguing conversation partner.

The Kabalah, as it is described in the book of the Zohar -

(a) contradicts the Torah (!!!).

(b) kablabla is dualistic in the sense that it poses Evil is as a cosmic force which is at least as powerful as God, and that the world is created by a dance between these two powers. This is very similar (and in my mind not by coincidence) to dualistic zoroastrianism: they started with monistic zoroastrianism where Ahura Mazda [equivalent of God] is the most powerful being/force, but then transitioned to a state where Angra Mainyu [equivalent of satan] is an adversary to God and equally as powerful. This led to the demise of zoroastrianism as I see it.

(c) reframes the relationship between God and man as a relationship wherein God needs you to be good because he wants good to manifest, but you have choice so you have the power - "you don't need God, God needs you" kinda thing. Being good is like a doing favor to God under this framework.

(d) is platonically idealistic meaning it creates an unnecessary duplicate of the world in which the divine exists, I wont go into it but the divine exists in this world. I am an Aristotelian in that metaphysical sense. God gave us senses to sense this world, not another dimension. This opens the door to shitloads of woo and sometimes leads to severe acquired intellectual retadation. Essentially telling us that this world is "undivine"

(e) it glorifies what they call the "breaking of the vessels" - they say there is the divine light which we cannot "contain" in large quantities (the literal meaning of kabalah is "receiving, containing") - so in order to contain more divine light we must "shatter the vessels" and have the light flood our being. This implies that God created man in an imperfect state and a natural man cannot receive divine light without kabalistic initiation. Subtly advocating violent and artificial spiritual modifications.

(f) it advocates a merging of the opposites, balance/mixture of extremes as opposed to principled action in accordance with our telos/nature. In the social-sexual realm it advocates a merging of the male and female within one's existence, very much like tantric traditions. This is something that I personally bought into for a large portion of my life but I am coming to the conclusion (I think) that God's will as evident from scripture and from creation, is that man should strive to be as much a man as possible, and woman as much woman as possible. Stay true to your nature in the sense that, if you intervene in your natural behaviour - better do that to enhance your nature rather than autistically trying to embody what you lack and miss. Becoming a spiritual hermaphrodite is potentially appropriate only in a toxic environment.

That's just the tip.

Is that a surprise that sabbetai zevi and jacob frank both used the zohar to justify their perversity? Shouldn't be.

Fuck the Kabalists. It's the origin of those who call themselves jews, but are not.

3 years ago
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Reason: Original

Please disregard all of the replies youve recieved about the topic of kabbalah, or as I like to call it - Ka-bla-bla. I'm an Israeli jewborn vet anon with philosophical autism and ultra orthodox relatives who consider me a dangerous yet intriguing conversation partner.

The Kabalah, as it is described in the book of the Zohar -

(a) contradicts the Torah (!!!).

(b) kablabla is dualistic in the sense that it poses Evil is as a cosmic force which is at least as powerful as God, and that the world is created by a dance between these two powers. This is very similar (and in my mind not by coincidence) to dualistic zoroastrianism: they started with monistic zoroastrianism where Ahura Mazda [equivalent of God] is the most powerful being/force, but then transitioned to a state where Angra Mainyu [equivalent of satan] is an adversary to God and equally as powerful. This led to the demise of zoroastrianism as I see it.

(c) reframes the relationship between God and man as a relationship wherein God needs you to be good because he wants good to manifest, but you have choice so you have the power - "you don't need God, God needs you" kinda thing. Being good is like a doing favor to God under this framework.

(d) is platonically idealistic meaning it creates an unnecessary duplicate of the world in which the divine exists, I wont go into it but the divine exists in this world. I am an Aristotelian in that metaphysical sense. God gave us senses to sense this world, not another dimension. This opens the door to shitloads of woo and sometimes leads to severe acquired intellectual retadation.

(e) it glorifies what they call the "breaking of the vessels" - they say there is the divine light which we cannot "contain" (the literal meaning of kabalah is "receiving, containing") - so in order to contain more divine light we must "shatter the vessels" and have the light flood our being. This implies that God created man in an imperfect state and a natural man cannot receive divine light without kabalistic initiation. Subtly advocating violent and artificial spiritual modifications.

(f) it advocates a merging of the opposites, balance/mixture of extremes as opposed to principled action in accordance with our telos/nature. In the social-sexual realm it advocates a merging of the male and female within one's existence, very much like tantric traditions. This is something that I personally bought into for a large portion of my life but I am coming to the conclusion (I think) that God's will as evident from scripture and from creation, is that man should strive to be as much a man as possible, and woman as much woman as possible. Stay true to your nature in the sense that, if you intervene in your natural behaviour - better do that to enhance your nature rather than autistically trying to embody what you lack and miss. Becoming a spiritual hermaphrodite is potentially appropriate only in a toxic environment.

That's just the tip.

Is that a surprise that sabbetai zevi and jacob frank both used the zohar to justify their perversity? Shouldn't be.

Fuck the Kabalists. It's the origin of those who call themselves jews, but are not.

3 years ago
1 score