Im not having a dilemma. Its very simple. The OP was speaking of Jesus and Satan, your original post that I replied to referenced Lucifer not Satan. I was attempting to point out to you Satan and Lucifer are not the same being, they are two separate beings, your op;
... Lucifer was the most beloved of all angels before sin overtook him (Isaiah 14:12-17; Luke 10:18). ...
No where in Isaiah 14 or Luke 10 does it claim "Lucifer was the most beloved of all angels before sin overtook him." Yet you reference these two verses as if it does.
Isaiah 14:12-17
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
It clearly states in verse 16 "...Is this the MAN that made the earth to tremble..
Lucifer is not an Angel he is a Man! Nothing about Lucifer being beloved by all angels. You either pulled this out of your ass or are reference some text other than the Bible.
Luke 10:18
18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
There is no mention of Lucifer, only Satan. As you may know The Book of Enoch states that there were 200 fallen angels. Satan was not the only fallen angle. Are you saying Satan was the only fallen angel?
I attempted to point out to you that maybe Lucifer is not an evil being by referencing (NIV) Rev. 22:16,
16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
Jesus clearly states he is the root and offspring of David and the bright Morning Star (Lucifer). Therefore Lucifer maybe good. I am in noway claiming Jesus is evil, Im challenging the claim that Lucifer is evil. Are you denying that Jesus claims in this verse that he is a descendant of the Morning Star?
I then looked for other verses that speak of the Morning Star and found,
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
2 Peter 1:19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts;
Both of which speak positively of the Morning Star. The clear contradiction was that there are three verses that speak positively of the Morning Star and one (Isaiah 14) that speaks negatively of the Morning star in the Bible.
I challenge the preconceived notion that a)Lucifer and Satan are the same being and b) That Lucifer is evil.
As a Q follower I would expect you to be open to questioning everything as Q promotes, but obviously you just believe what ever some "holy" person or "most trusted biblical resource online" tells you to (by the way doesn't CNN claim to be the most trusted new source). I prefer to think for myself and not rely on what Ive been told. Im not interested in preforming mental gymnastics to make biblical verse fit into my preconceived belief, Im searching for the truth, and the truth is the bible claims Jesus was a descendant of the bright Morning Star. You can choose to believe Lucifer is Satan and Jesus is a descendant of Satan if you want, but thats not what the bible says. Nowhere in the bible does it claim that Lucifer and Satan are the same being. Nowhere in the bible does it claim that Lucifer was an angel (or Satan incarnated into man called Lucifer), like you stated and couldn't provide a biblical verse that claimed so. When I ask for a reference on your claim,
Lucifer was the most prized. He fell into sin and became the serpent. Then condemned and judged. Awaits judgment as the devil, the father of lies.
You gave me (which doesn't even match your above claim),
Ezekiel 28:12-17. Behind the ruler is the mentioning of Lucifer and his original beauty and stature prior to his fall.
This is what the verse you gave me actually says,
Ezekiel 28: 12-17
12 “Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says:
“‘You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: carnelian, chrysolite and emerald, topaz, onyx and jasper, lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl.[b] Your settings and mountings[c] were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. 14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. 15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. 16 Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. 17 Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings.
Nowhere in the verse you referenced does it even mention Lucifer.
Damn, you are really bad at biblical study and even worse at quoting the bible.
I'd expect more from someone who is on a Q board. It makes me think you are here just to virtue signal your Christian faith and not a follower of Q at all, or else you would be more open to questions and finding the truth and understand that the Cabal has infiltrated all religions and not to believe everything you've been told. Either this or you have a hard time admitting when you are wrong.
Im not having a dilemma. Its very simple. The OP was speaking of Jesus and Satan, your original post that I replied to reference Lucifer not Satan. I was attempting to point out to you Satan and Lucifer are not the same being, they are two separate beings, your op;
... Lucifer was the most beloved of all angels before sin overtook him (Isaiah 14:12-17; Luke 10:18). ...
No where in Isaiah 14 or Luke 10 does it claim "Lucifer was the most beloved of all angels before sin overtook him." Yet you reference these two verses as if it does.
Isaiah 14:12-17
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
It clearly states in verse 16 "...Is this the MAN that made the earth to tremble..
Lucifer is not an Angel he is a Man! Nothing about Lucifer being beloved by all angels. You either pulled this out of your ass or are reference some text other than the Bible.
Luke 10:18
18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
There is no mention of Lucifer, only Satan. As you may know The Book of Enoch states that there were 200 fallen angels. Satan was not the only fallen angle. Are you saying Satan was the only fallen angel?
I attempted to point out to you that maybe Lucifer is not an evil being by referencing (NIV) Rev. 22:16,
16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
Jesus clearly states he is the root and offspring of David and the bright Morning Star (Lucifer). Therefore Lucifer maybe good. I am in noway claiming Jesus is evil, Im challenging the claim that Lucifer is evil. Are you denying that Jesus claims in this verse that he is a descendant of the Morning Star?
I then looked for other verses that speak of the Morning Star and found,
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
2 Peter 1:19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts;
Both of which speak positively of the Morning Star. The clear contradiction was that there are three verses that speak positively of the Morning Star and one (Isaiah 14) that speaks negatively of the Morning star in the Bible.
I challenge the preconceived notion that a)Lucifer and Satan are the same being and b) That Lucifer is evil.
As a Q follower I would expect you to be open to questioning everything as Q promotes, but obviously you just believe what ever some "holy" person or "most trusted biblical resource online" tells you to (by the way doesn't CNN claim to be the most trusted new source). I prefer to think for myself and not rely on what Ive been told. Im not interested in preforming mental gymnastics to make biblical verse fit into my preconceived belief, Im searching for the truth, and the truth is the bible claims Jesus was a descendant of the bright Morning Star. You can choose to believe Lucifer is Satan and Jesus is a descendant of Satan if you want, but thats not what the bible says. Nowhere in the bible does it claim that Lucifer and Satan are the same being. Nowhere in the bible does it claim that Lucifer was an angel (or Satan incarnated into man called Lucifer), like you stated and couldn't provide a biblical verse that claimed so. When I ask for a reference on your claim,
Lucifer was the most prized. He fell into sin and became the serpent. Then condemned and judged. Awaits judgment as the devil, the father of lies.
You gave me (which doesn't even match your above claim),
Ezekiel 28:12-17. Behind the ruler is the mentioning of Lucifer and his original beauty and stature prior to his fall.
This is what the verse you gave me actually says,
Ezekiel 28: 12-17
12 “Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says:
“‘You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: carnelian, chrysolite and emerald, topaz, onyx and jasper, lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl.[b] Your settings and mountings[c] were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. 14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. 15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. 16 Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. 17 Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings.
Nowhere in the verse you referenced does it even mention Lucifer.
Damn, you are really bad at biblical study and even worse at quoting the bible.
I'd expect more from someone who is on a Q board. It makes me think you are here just to virtue signal your Christian faith and not a follower of Q at all, or else you would be more open to questions and finding the truth and understand that the Cabal has infiltrated all religions and not to believe everything you've been told. Either this or you have a hard time admitting when you are wrong.