what you consider as the "Word of God"? christian bible
Yes.
that was rewritten countless times by the countless people over the thousands of years, which you can buy in any shop, available for masses, just like the media?
Rewritten countless times? There are thousands of surviving copies of the New Testament, some from as early as the 1st century AD, and for the Old Testament, there are the Dead Sea Scrolls as well as many more recent copies.
Consider this: if the Word was rewritten, why did the Papacy attempt to keep it out of people's hands during the Dark Ages? They were teaching many unbiblical doctrines, as they still do to this day, and didn't want anyone to catch on. Odd that they didn't just rewrite it to reflect their own teachings.
Also, why has there been such an effort throughout the ages to destroy the Bible if it has been and can just be tampered with? With that in mind, the fact that you can just go to a store and purchase a copy nowadays is nothing short of miraculous.
even in The Old Testament there was no Satan, no big evil, no concept of salvation
Literally not true. Satan is mentioned by name in Job, which is traditionally thought to have been the first book in the Bible that was written down. Other places that he's mentioned in the Old Testament include 1 Chronicles, Psalms, and Zechariah. Salvation, as a concept, is also found throughout the Old Testament.
which is edited version of the Torah and heavily recommended to be ignored by the church, for some reason
Not all churches, but many, yes. Again, this goes back to the Papacy not wanting people to read it for themselves.
you need to understand, everything you read and know as the "Word of God", what is considered canon by the church, is made up, and the rest is heavily edited
While many churches teach a variety of doctrines that are incorrect, the integrity of the Word itself has nevertheless been maintained.
church invented Satan
Respectfully disagree. I'm reminded of the quote, "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."
and they had a lot of data to get inspiration from
Or, perhaps the stories found in nearly every culture on earth about there being a spiritual battle between good and evil, serpents being associated with evil and/or knowledge, and similar things have a common root, all going back to Eden?
church completely stripped Jesus from what he really is and left him only as a martyr, a separate person
While I can't speak for what every church teaches, the Word is clear that Jesus was and is more than just a martyr.
modern christianity consists of judaism & paganism 50/50
I wouldn't say 50/50, but there are indeed many mainstream teachings that stem from paganism and that consequently have no basis in the Bible.
everything you fear in christianity is encouraged by the church
I have a fear of insects and a fear of heights, neither of which were encouraged by the church I attend.
and don't even think to question something and do your research, you will get them insane
I've actually been encouraged to do my own research, but I know what you're talking about.
to find the truth, you must learn from different sources and analyze, this is the only way
Indeed, researching and determining the truth is paramount. What you've said reminds me of 1 Thessalonians 5:21, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
even if someone will tell you the truth as it is, without analysis you won't understand it
Depends on the situation, but even when you understand something well enough from the get-go, taking the time to analyze what you've been told can lead to you understanding it better.
there's a lot of wonderful works, you just need to want to learn
If I didn't have a desire to learn and know the truth then I would've never studied the Bible, history, and many other subjects as I have, and I fully attribute my desire for truth to God.
I appreciate that we've been able to have a respectful discussion. I'll be praying for you, fren.
what you consider as the "Word of God"? christian bible
Yes.
that was rewritten countless times by the countless people over the thousands of years, which you can buy in any shop, available for masses, just like the media?
Rewritten countless times? There are thousands of surviving copies of the New Testament, some from as early as the 1st century AD, and for the Old Testament, there are the Dead Sea Scrolls as well as many more recent copies.
Consider this: if the Word was rewritten, why did the Papacy attempt to keep it out of people's hands during the Dark Ages? They were teaching many unbiblical doctrines, as they still do to this day, and didn't want anyone to catch on. Odd that they didn't just rewrite it to reflect their own teachings.
Also, why has there been such an effort throughout the ages to destroy the Bible if it has been and can just be tampered with? With that in mind, the fact that you can just go to a store and purchase a copy nowadays is nothing short of miraculous.
even in The Old Testament there was no Satan, no big evil, no concept of salvation
Literally not true. Satan is mentioned by name in Job, which is traditionally thought to have been the first book in the Bible that was written down. Other places that he's mentioned in the Old Testament include 1 Chronicles, Psalms, and Zechariah. Salvation, as a concept, is also found throughout the Old Testament.
which is edited version of the Torah and heavily recommended to be ignored by the church, for some reason
Not all churches, but many, yes. Again, this goes back to the Papacy not wanting people to read it for themselves.
you need to understand, everything you read and know as the "Word of God", what is considered canon by the church, is made up, and the rest is heavily edited
Respectfully disagree. Although there are many churches that teach a variety of doctrines that are incorrect, the integrity of the Word itself has nevertheless been maintained.
church invented Satan
Again, respectfully disagree. I'm reminded of the quote, "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."
and they had a lot of data to get inspiration from
Or, perhaps the stories found in nearly every culture on earth about there being a spiritual battle between good and evil, serpents being associated with evil and/or knowledge, and similar things have a common root, all going back to Eden?
church completely stripped Jesus from what he really is and left him only as a martyr, a separate person
While I can't speak for what every church teaches, the Word is clear that Jesus was and is more than just a martyr.
modern christianity consists of judaism & paganism 50/50
I wouldn't say 50/50, but there are indeed many mainstream teachings that stem from paganism and that consequently have no basis in the Bible.
everything you fear in christianity is encouraged by the church
I have a fear of insects and a fear of heights, neither of which were encouraged by the church I attend.
and don't even think to question something and do your research, you will get them insane
I've actually been encouraged to do my own research, but I know what you're talking about.
to find the truth, you must learn from different sources and analyze, this is the only way
Indeed, researching and determining the truth is paramount. What you've said reminds me of 1 Thessalonians 5:21, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
even if someone will tell you the truth as it is, without analysis you won't understand it
Depends on the situation, but even when you understand something well enough from the get-go, taking the time to analyze what you've been told can lead to you understanding it better.
there's a lot of wonderful works, you just need to want to learn
If I didn't have a desire to learn and know the truth then I would've never studied the Bible, history, and many other subjects as I have, and I fully attribute my desire for truth to God.
I appreciate that we've been able to have a respectful discussion. I'll be praying for you, fren.
what you consider as the "Word of God"? christian bible
Yes.
that was rewritten countless times by the countless people over the thousands of years, which you can buy in any shop, available for masses, just like the media?
Rewritten countless times? There are thousands of surviving copies of the New Testament, some from as early as the 1st century AD, and for the Old Testament, there are the Dead Sea Scrolls as well as many more recent copies.
Consider this: if the Word was rewritten, why did the Papacy attempt to keep it out of people's hands during the Dark Ages? They were teaching many unbiblical doctrines, as they still do to this day, and didn't want anyone to catch on. Odd that they didn't just rewrite it to reflect their own teachings.
Also, why has there been such an effort throughout the ages to destroy the Bible if it has been and can just be tampered with? With that in mind, the fact that you can just go to a store and purchase a copy nowadays is nothing short of miraculous.
even in The Old Testament there was no Satan, no big evil, no concept of salvation
Literally not true. Satan is mentioned by name in Job, which is traditionally thought to have been the first book in the Bible that was written down. Other places that he's mentioned in the Old Testament include 1 Chronicles, Psalms, and Zechariah. Salvation, as a concept, is also found throughout the Old Testament.
which is edited version of the Torah and heavily recommended to be ignored by the church, for some reason
Not all churches, but many, yes. Again, this goes back to the Papacy not wanting people to read it for themselves.
you need to understand, everything you read and know as the "Word of God", what is considered canon by the church, is made up, and the rest is heavily edited
Disagree with the edited part, agree with the made-up part, so long as we're talking about the unbiblical doctrines that many churches teach.
church invented Satan
Respectfully disagree. I'm reminded of the quote, "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."
and they had a lot of data to get inspiration from
Or, perhaps the stories found in nearly every culture on earth about there being a spiritual battle between good and evil, serpents being associated with evil and/or knowledge, and similar things have a common root, all going back to Eden?
church completely stripped Jesus from what he really is and left him only as a martyr, a separate person
While I can't speak for what every church teaches, the Word is clear that Jesus was and is more than just a martyr.
modern christianity consists of judaism & paganism 50/50
I wouldn't say 50/50, but there are indeed many mainstream teachings that stem from paganism and that consequently have no basis in the Bible.
everything you fear in christianity is encouraged by the church
I have a fear of insects and a fear of heights, neither of which were encouraged by the church I attend.
and don't even think to question something and do your research, you will get them insane
I've actually been encouraged to do my own research, but I know what you're talking about.
to find the truth, you must learn from different sources and analyze, this is the only way
Indeed, researching and determining the truth is paramount. What you've said reminds me of 1 Thessalonians 5:21, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
even if someone will tell you the truth as it is, without analysis you won't understand it
Depends on the situation, but even when you understand something well enough from the get-go, taking the time to analyze what you've been told can lead to you understanding it better.
there's a lot of wonderful works, you just need to want to learn
If I didn't have a desire to learn and know the truth then I would've never studied the Bible, history, and many other subjects as I have, and I fully attribute my desire for truth to God.
I appreciate that we've been able to have a respectful discussion. I'll be praying for you, fren.
what you consider as the "Word of God"? christian bible
Yes.
that was rewritten countless times by the countless people over the thousands of years, which you can buy in any shop, available for masses, just like the media?
Rewritten countless times? There are thousands of surviving copies of the New Testament, some from as early as the 1st century AD, and for the Old Testament, there are the Dead Sea Scrolls as well as many more recent copies.
Consider this: if the Word was rewritten, why did the Papacy attempt to keep it out of people's hands during the Dark Ages? They were teaching many unbiblical doctrines, as they still do to this day, and didn't want anyone to catch on. Odd that they didn't just rewrite it to reflect their own teachings.
Also, why has there been such an effort throughout the ages to destroy the Bible if it has been and can just be tampered with? With that in mind, the fact that you can just go to a store and purchase a copy nowadays is nothing short of miraculous.
even in The Old Testament there was no Satan, no big evil, no concept of salvation
Literally not true. Satan is mentioned by name in Job, which is traditionally thought to have been the first book in the Bible that was written down. Other places that he's mentioned in the Old Testament include 1 Chronicles, Psalms, and Zechariah. Salvation, as a concept, is also found throughout the Old Testament.
which is edited version of the Torah and heavily recommended to be ignored by the church, for some reason
Not all churches, but many, yes. Again, this goes back to the Papacy not wanting people to read it for themselves.
you need to understand, everything you read and know as the "Word of God", what is considered canon by the church, is made up, and the rest is heavily edited
Disagree on the edited part, agree on the made-up, unbiblical doctrines part.
church invented Satan
Respectfully disagree. I'm reminded of the quote, "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."
and they had a lot of data to get inspiration from
Or, perhaps the stories found in nearly every culture on earth about there being a spiritual battle between good and evil, serpents being associated with evil and/or knowledge, and similar things have a common root, all going back to Eden?
church completely stripped Jesus from what he really is and left him only as a martyr, a separate person
While I can't speak for what every church teaches, the Word is clear that Jesus was and is more than just a martyr.
modern christianity consists of judaism & paganism 50/50
I wouldn't say 50/50, but there are indeed many mainstream teachings that stem from paganism and that consequently have no basis in the Bible.
everything you fear in christianity is encouraged by the church
I have a fear of insects and a fear of heights, neither of which were encouraged by the church I attend.
and don't even think to question something and do your research, you will get them insane
I've actually been encouraged to do my own research, but I know what you're talking about.
to find the truth, you must learn from different sources and analyze, this is the only way
Indeed, researching and determining the truth is paramount. What you've said reminds me of 1 Thessalonians 5:21, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
even if someone will tell you the truth as it is, without analysis you won't understand it
Depends on the situation, but even when you understand something well enough from the get-go, taking the time to analyze what you've been told can lead to you understanding it better.
there's a lot of wonderful works, you just need to want to learn
If I didn't have a desire to learn and know the truth then I would've never studied the Bible, history, and many other subjects as I have, and I fully attribute my desire for truth to God.
I appreciate that we've been able to have a respectful discussion. I'll be praying for you, fren.