[Extra Details c/o Adam Klasfeld]

Menninger tries to undermine "Jane's" account of her difficult family life through school records at Interlochen, like an application describing her "loving family."

Yesterday, "Jane" testified that her mother instructed her not to discuss her feelings and family. Menninger pivots to "Jane's" first meeting with Epstein and Maxwell in 1994, at the Interlochen arts academy.

The defense attorney says that she has given different accounts of the meeting. An ongoing defense strategy is undermining the women's memories of decades-old events. Menninger asks if "Jane" remembered testimony being by herself at Jeffrey Epstein's house in Palm Beach. "Jane" agrees.

The attorney says that she told the government something different and begins reading a document — drawing a prosecution objection. Menninger says that she told the government that she was with her mother and brothers in the beginning.

"Jane" says she doesn't remember that. "Jane," as the defense attorney tries to undermine her memory: "Memory's not linear."

Q: The dinner you had at your house was prior to any abuse.

A: That's not true.

Menninger tries to read from a document, sparking an objection from the government. "Your honor," the prosecutor says, she objects to Menninger "testifying."

Sidebar

Menninger says "Jane" does not recall whether Maxwell ever touched her. "That's not true," "Jane" says. Menninger asks whether she told the government she could not recall that. "I don't recall."

Menninger asks whether she told the government Maxwell never watched her perform oral sex on Epstein. "That's correct," "Jane" says. Same answer when asked to confirm she told the government Maxwell never used sex toys or a vibrator on her.

Recess

Menninger pivots to the first time "Jane" says Epstein abused her. She testified that's when Epstein masturbated on her in the Palm Beach pool house. The lawyer says she told the government in 2019 that it was in New York. Jane: "That is not correct"

Menninger is confronting her with notes from unrecorded interviews with the government. "Jane" has said repeatedly during cross-ex that the notes were inaccurate. "This is just someone jotting down notes," she said.

There's a lot of dispute about whether the notes suggest "Jane" told the government she went to see the "Lion King" on Broadway with Maxwell in New York;

• if so, when they purportedly saw it;

• and whether "Jane's" purported chronology conflicted with its opening date.

Q: You don't recall any abuse happening when you first came to New Mexico, correct?

A: That is not correct.

Under the rules of evidence, these notes can be shown to the witness to refresh her recollection because they cannot be entered as exhibits as verbatim transcripts (which they are not). Menninger is systematically contrasting "Jane's" testimony what these records reflect.

"Jane" says she was never asked to recruit other girls or directed to have sex with any of Epstein's associates.

Q: "Mr. Epstein introduced you to Donald Trump, correct?"

She says yes.

Pressed by Menninger, "Jane" agrees that she said Epstein drove her to Mar-a-Lago in a dark green car when she was 14. This line of questioning is not explored much further. Menninger pivots to unrelated allegations of group sexualized massages.

Q: You remember Prince Andrew being on a flight with you?

Yes.

Lunch Recess

Cross-examination resumes:

Q: You said that you were raised in a household where you'd get in trouble if you said something?

"Jane" asked for clarification about "something."

Q: Something personal.

She replies yes. Menninger asks if she recalled telling her mother about a teacher pulling her hair. "Jane" answers yes.

Asked if she recalled her mother filing a lawsuit against the teacher, "Jane" says she didn't know that. Showing her papers, Menninger asked if they refresh her recollection that her mother sued her teacher.

"No, I had no idea my mother did this," responds "Jane." "Jane" says that she met Mike Wallace with Jeffrey Epstein in New York. Menninger says that "Jane" said that was at Mike Wallace's 80th birthday party?

"Jane" agrees. There are no allegations made about Wallace, either, except a suggestion made by the defense attorney that the date doesn't match up with the account. Earlier in cross-ex—

Q: You consider yourself an actor?

A: Yes.

Q: An actor portrays a fictional character?

A: Yes.

[...]

Q: You've been an actor for a very long time?

A: Yes.

Q: “You’re able to cry on command.”

A: “No, not always. That not really how it works.”

Cross-ex ends.

Redirect begins.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Alison Moe to "Jane"—

Q: Have I or any other prosecutor told you what to say on the witness stand?

A: No.

She asks "Jane" what they told her to say.

A: "Just tell the truth."

Asked whether she was able to tell all of the details in her initial meeting with the government, "Jane" emotionally says:

"Because I was standing in a roomful of strangers and telling them the most shameful, deepest secrets that I've been carrying around with me my whole life." She says a reporter "blackmailed" her:

"He said that court documents with my name was unredacted, and the Epstein 'little black book' was out—"

The defense makes a hearsay objection. The prosecutor goes about it a different way, eliciting her to testify that the reporter threatened to expose her if she didn't speak to him. She says she was worried for her career if the information became known. Asked by the prosecutor about the difference is between acting and testifying, she responds:

She responds: Acting on TV is not real, and testifying in court is. Asked why she remembers the first time she says Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused her more clearly than other events, she responds: "Because it's the beginning of when my life would change forever."

Q: How old were you when you first touched Jeffrey Epstein's penis?

A: 14.

The prosecutor asks about defense attacks of the $5 million settlement she got from the Epstein victims fund, of which she received roughly $2.9 million.

Q: Jane, in your own words, can you tell the jury what that money meant to you?

(She cries, wiping her eyes with a tissue)

"I wish I never received that money in the first place because of what happened," she says.

Her testimony concludes.

Recess.

The next witness, "Matt," is also testifying under a pseudonym because he's "Jane's" ex-boyfriend; disclosing his name could identify her.

From her testimony:

Q. While you were together, did you ever tell Matt that you'd been sexually abused by Maxwell and Epstein?

A. Yes.

"All rise."

The jury enters. Judge Nathan says courtroom sketch artists should not precisely draw "Matt's" features, either. (Sketches of "Jane" were obscured at the face.)

He's called to the witness box, is sworn in, and explains the use of the pseudonym. He tells the jury he's been employed on and off as an actor on a TV show for the past 15 years.

Q: "How do you know Jane?"

A: "She's my ex-girlfriend."

She says they were together between 2006 to 2014, approximately — moving into together one year into the relationship. "Matt" testifies that "Jane" initially referred to Epstein as her "godfather," who helped pay her family's bills and was "looking out for her family."

Q: Did there come a time when she told you why Jeffrey Epstein gave her money?

A: Yes.

Asked about what she said, he replies: "She never went into detail. She just said that it wasn't pretty."

Q: Did she ever use the word 'massage'?

Defense: Objection—leading

Nathan: Overruled. I'll allow it.

A: Yes.

Did she ever tell you that there was a woman in the house?

A: Yes.

Q: Did she tell you that the woman in the house made her feel comfortable?

A: Yes.

"Matt," about a comment by "Jane": "She'd just say to me: 'Matt,' the money wasn't fucking free."

Extremely fast testimony. Prosecution wraps shortly. Maxwell's lawyer, Bobbi Sternheim, declines to cross-examine him.

Next witness:

Daniel Besselsen, assistant VP of finance at Interlochen, the arts academy at the center of Jane's story. Besselsen confirms Epstein was a donor to Interlochen, describes the "Jeffrey Epstein Scholarship Lodge." A photo of the lodge is entered into evidence.

Court Adjourned

[Extra info from The Independent]

A British woman called Emmy was named by witness “Jane” as having taken part in “sexualised massages.”

Laura Menninger, Maxwell’s lawyer, asked Jane about Emmy: “You said that Emmy was British and that she was nice and cool. She was involved in the group massages with you? She was involved with the sexual contact?”

“Jane” replied: “Yes.”

She went on to describe four other women who took part in the massages and who she thought were models.

The “tall” and “thin” women were apparently called Sophie, Eva, Michelle and Kelly, the witness recalled.

Daniel Besselsen, the finance executive at the Interlochen Center for the Arts the nonprofit organisation behind the summer camp where witness “Jane” said she first met Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein will give evidence on Thursday.

Mr Besselsen provided records which comprised donor letters confirming Epstein and Maxwell’s relationship to the camp. These included one addressed to Maxwell saying that a lodge had been reserved for the use of Epstein’s in August of 1994.

It is thought that this is where the couple met Jane.

Epstein had funded a two-bedroom lodge, known as the Jeffrey Epstein Scholarship Lodge, at Interlochen in northern Michigan where parents, donors and other guests could stay.

The lodge’s name has now been changed to the Green Lake Lodge.

[Extra Details c/o Adam Klasfeld]

Menninger tries to undermine "Jane's" account of her difficult family life through school records at Interlochen, like an application describing her "loving family."

Yesterday, "Jane" testified that her mother instructed her not to discuss her feelings and family. Menninger pivots to "Jane's" first meeting with Epstein and Maxwell in 1994, at the Interlochen arts academy.

The defense attorney says that she has given different accounts of the meeting. An ongoing defense strategy is undermining the women's memories of decades-old events. Menninger asks if "Jane" remembered testimony being by herself at Jeffrey Epstein's house in Palm Beach. "Jane" agrees.

The attorney says that she told the government something different and begins reading a document — drawing a prosecution objection. Menninger says that she told the government that she was with her mother and brothers in the beginning.

"Jane" says she doesn't remember that. "Jane," as the defense attorney tries to undermine her memory: "Memory's not linear."

Q: The dinner you had at your house was prior to any abuse.

A: That's not true.

Menninger tries to read from a document, sparking an objection from the government. "Your honor," the prosecutor says, she objects to Menninger "testifying."

Sidebar

Menninger says "Jane" does not recall whether Maxwell ever touched her. "That's not true," "Jane" says. Menninger asks whether she told the government she could not recall that. "I don't recall."

Menninger asks whether she told the government Maxwell never watched her perform oral sex on Epstein. "That's correct," "Jane" says. Same answer when asked to confirm she told the government Maxwell never used sex toys or a vibrator on her.

Recess

Menninger pivots to the first time "Jane" says Epstein abused her. She testified that's when Epstein masturbated on her in the Palm Beach pool house. The lawyer says she told the government in 2019 that it was in New York. Jane: "That is not correct"

Menninger is confronting her with notes from unrecorded interviews with the government. "Jane" has said repeatedly during cross-ex that the notes were inaccurate. "This is just someone jotting down notes," she said.

There's a lot of dispute about whether the notes suggest "Jane" told the government she went to see the "Lion King" on Broadway with Maxwell in New York;

• if so, when they purportedly saw it;

• and whether "Jane's" purported chronology conflicted with its opening date.

Q: You don't recall any abuse happening when you first came to New Mexico, correct?

A: That is not correct.

Under the rules of evidence, these notes can be shown to the witness to refresh her recollection because they cannot be entered as exhibits as verbatim transcripts (which they are not). Menninger is systematically contrasting "Jane's" testimony what these records reflect.

"Jane" says she was never asked to recruit other girls or directed to have sex with any of Epstein's associates.

Q: "Mr. Epstein introduced you to Donald Trump, correct?"

She says yes.

Pressed by Menninger, "Jane" agrees that she said Epstein drove her to Mar-a-Lago in a dark green car when she was 14. This line of questioning is not explored much further. Menninger pivots to unrelated allegations of group sexualized massages.

Q: You remember Prince Andrew being on a flight with you?

Yes.

Lunch Recess

Cross-examination resumes:

Q: You said that you were raised in a household where you'd get in trouble if you said something?

"Jane" asked for clarification about "something."

Q: Something personal.

She replies yes. Menninger asks if she recalled telling her mother about a teacher pulling her hair. "Jane" answers yes.

Asked if she recalled her mother filing a lawsuit against the teacher, "Jane" says she didn't know that. Showing her papers, Menninger asked if they refresh her recollection that her mother sued her teacher.

"No, I had no idea my mother did this," responds "Jane." "Jane" says that she met Mike Wallace with Jeffrey Epstein in New York. Menninger says that "Jane" said that was at Mike Wallace's 80th birthday party?

"Jane" agrees. There are no allegations made about Wallace, either, except a suggestion made by the defense attorney that the date doesn't match up with the account. Earlier in cross-ex—

Q: You consider yourself an actor?

A: Yes.

Q: An actor portrays a fictional character?

A: Yes.

[...]

Q: You've been an actor for a very long time?

A: Yes.

Q: “You’re able to cry on command.”

A: “No, not always. That not really how it works.”

Cross-ex ends.

Redirect begins.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Alison Moe to "Jane"—

Q: Have I or any other prosecutor told you what to say on the witness stand?

A: No.

She asks "Jane" what they told her to say.

A: "Just tell the truth."

Asked whether she was able to tell all of the details in her initial meeting with the government, "Jane" emotionally says:

"Because I was standing in a roomful of strangers and telling them the most shameful, deepest secrets that I've been carrying around with me my whole life." She says a reporter "blackmailed" her:

"He said that court documents with my name was unredacted, and the Epstein 'little black book' was out—"

The defense makes a hearsay objection. The prosecutor goes about it a different way, eliciting her to testify that the reporter threatened to expose her if she didn't speak to him. She says she was worried for her career if the information became known. Asked by the prosecutor about the difference is between acting and testifying, she responds:

She responds: Acting on TV is not real, and testifying in court is. Asked why she remembers the first time she says Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused her more clearly than other events, she responds: "Because it's the beginning of when my life would change forever."

Q: How old were you when you first touched Jeffrey Epstein's penis?

A: 14.

The prosecutor asks about defense attacks of the $5 million settlement she got from the Epstein victims fund, of which she received roughly $2.9 million.

Q: Jane, in your own words, can you tell the jury what that money meant to you?

(She cries, wiping her eyes with a tissue)

"I wish I never received that money in the first place because of what happened," she says.

Her testimony concludes.

Recess.

The next witness, "Matt," is also testifying under a pseudonym because he's "Jane's" ex-boyfriend; disclosing his name could identify her.

From her testimony:

Q. While you were together, did you ever tell Matt that you'd been sexually abused by Maxwell and Epstein?

A. Yes.

"All rise."

The jury enters. Judge Nathan says courtroom sketch artists should not precisely draw "Matt's" features, either. (Sketches of "Jane" were obscured at the face.)

He's called to the witness box, is sworn in, and explains the use of the pseudonym. He tells the jury he's been employed on and off as an actor on a TV show for the past 15 years.

Q: "How do you know Jane?"

A: "She's my ex-girlfriend."

She says they were together between 2006 to 2014, approximately — moving into together one year into the relationship. "Matt" testifies that "Jane" initially referred to Epstein as her "godfather," who helped pay her family's bills and was "looking out for her family."

Q: Did there come a time when she told you why Jeffrey Epstein gave her money?

A: Yes.

Asked about what she said, he replies: "She never went into detail. She just said that it wasn't pretty."

Q: Did she ever use the word 'massage'?

Defense: Objection—leading

Nathan: Overruled. I'll allow it.

A: Yes.

Did she ever tell you that there was a woman in the house?

A: Yes.

Q: Did she tell you that the woman in the house made her feel comfortable?

A: Yes.

"Matt," about a comment by "Jane": "She'd just say to me: 'Matt,' the money wasn't fucking free."

Extremely fast testimony. Prosecution wraps shortly. Maxwell's lawyer, Bobbi Sternheim, declines to cross-examine him.

Next witness:

Daniel Besselsen, assistant VP of finance at Interlochen, the arts academy at the center of Jane's story. Besselsen confirms Epstein was a donor to Interlochen, describes the "Jeffrey Epstein Scholarship Lodge." A photo of the lodge is entered into evidence.

Court Adjourned

[Extra info from The Independent]

A British woman called Emmy was named by witness “Jane” as having taken part in “sexualised massages.”

Laura Menninger, Maxwell’s lawyer, asked Jane about Emmy: “You said that Emmy was British and that she was nice and cool. She was involved in the group massages with you? She was involved with the sexual contact?”

“Jane” replied: “Yes.”

She went on to describe four other women who took part in the massages and who she thought were models.

The “tall” and “thin” women were apparently called Sophie, Eva, Michelle and Kelly, the witness recalled.

[Extra Details c/o Adam Klasfeld]

Menninger tries to undermine "Jane's" account of her difficult family life through school records at Interlochen, like an application describing her "loving family."

Yesterday, "Jane" testified that her mother instructed her not to discuss her feelings and family. Menninger pivots to "Jane's" first meeting with Epstein and Maxwell in 1994, at the Interlochen arts academy.

The defense attorney says that she has given different accounts of the meeting. An ongoing defense strategy is undermining the women's memories of decades-old events. Menninger asks if "Jane" remembered testimony being by herself at Jeffrey Epstein's house in Palm Beach. "Jane" agrees.

The attorney says that she told the government something different and begins reading a document — drawing a prosecution objection. Menninger says that she told the government that she was with her mother and brothers in the beginning.

"Jane" says she doesn't remember that. "Jane," as the defense attorney tries to undermine her memory: "Memory's not linear."

Q: The dinner you had at your house was prior to any abuse.

A: That's not true.

Menninger tries to read from a document, sparking an objection from the government. "Your honor," the prosecutor says, she objects to Menninger "testifying."

Sidebar

Menninger says "Jane" does not recall whether Maxwell ever touched her. "That's not true," "Jane" says. Menninger asks whether she told the government she could not recall that. "I don't recall."

Menninger asks whether she told the government Maxwell never watched her perform oral sex on Epstein. "That's correct," "Jane" says. Same answer when asked to confirm she told the government Maxwell never used sex toys or a vibrator on her.

Recess

Menninger pivots to the first time "Jane" says Epstein abused her. She testified that's when Epstein masturbated on her in the Palm Beach pool house. The lawyer says she told the government in 2019 that it was in New York. Jane: "That is not correct"

Menninger is confronting her with notes from unrecorded interviews with the government. "Jane" has said repeatedly during cross-ex that the notes were inaccurate. "This is just someone jotting down notes," she said.

There's a lot of dispute about whether the notes suggest "Jane" told the government she went to see the "Lion King" on Broadway with Maxwell in New York;

• if so, when they purportedly saw it;

• and whether "Jane's" purported chronology conflicted with its opening date.

Q: You don't recall any abuse happening when you first came to New Mexico, correct?

A: That is not correct.

Under the rules of evidence, these notes can be shown to the witness to refresh her recollection because they cannot be entered as exhibits as verbatim transcripts (which they are not). Menninger is systematically contrasting "Jane's" testimony what these records reflect.

"Jane" says she was never asked to recruit other girls or directed to have sex with any of Epstein's associates.

Q: "Mr. Epstein introduced you to Donald Trump, correct?"

She says yes.

Pressed by Menninger, "Jane" agrees that she said Epstein drove her to Mar-a-Lago in a dark green car when she was 14. This line of questioning is not explored much further. Menninger pivots to unrelated allegations of group sexualized massages.

Q: You remember Prince Andrew being on a flight with you?

Yes.

Lunch Recess

Cross-examination resumes:

Q: You said that you were raised in a household where you'd get in trouble if you said something?

"Jane" asked for clarification about "something."

Q: Something personal.

She replies yes. Menninger asks if she recalled telling her mother about a teacher pulling her hair. "Jane" answers yes.

Asked if she recalled her mother filing a lawsuit against the teacher, "Jane" says she didn't know that. Showing her papers, Menninger asked if they refresh her recollection that her mother sued her teacher.

"No, I had no idea my mother did this," responds "Jane." "Jane" says that she met Mike Wallace with Jeffrey Epstein in New York. Menninger says that "Jane" said that was at Mike Wallace's 80th birthday party?

"Jane" agrees. There are no allegations made about Wallace, either, except a suggestion made by the defense attorney that the date doesn't match up with the account. Earlier in cross-ex—

Q: You consider yourself an actor?

A: Yes.

Q: An actor portrays a fictional character?

A: Yes.

[...]

Q: You've been an actor for a very long time?

A: Yes.

Q: “You’re able to cry on command.”

A: “No, not always. That not really how it works.”

Cross-ex ends.

Redirect begins.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Alison Moe to "Jane"—

Q: Have I or any other prosecutor told you what to say on the witness stand?

A: No.

She asks "Jane" what they told her to say.

A: "Just tell the truth."

Asked whether she was able to tell all of the details in her initial meeting with the government, "Jane" emotionally says:

"Because I was standing in a roomful of strangers and telling them the most shameful, deepest secrets that I've been carrying around with me my whole life." She says a reporter "blackmailed" her:

"He said that court documents with my name was unredacted, and the Epstein 'little black book' was out—"

The defense makes a hearsay objection. The prosecutor goes about it a different way, eliciting her to testify that the reporter threatened to expose her if she didn't speak to him. She says she was worried for her career if the information became known. Asked by the prosecutor about the difference is between acting and testifying, she responds:

She responds: Acting on TV is not real, and testifying in court is. Asked why she remembers the first time she says Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused her more clearly than other events, she responds: "Because it's the beginning of when my life would change forever."

Q: How old were you when you first touched Jeffrey Epstein's penis?

A: 14.

The prosecutor asks about defense attacks of the $5 million settlement she got from the Epstein victims fund, of which she received roughly $2.9 million.

Q: Jane, in your own words, can you tell the jury what that money meant to you?

(She cries, wiping her eyes with a tissue)

"I wish I never received that money in the first place because of what happened," she says.

Her testimony concludes.

Recess.

The next witness, "Matt," is also testifying under a pseudonym because he's "Jane's" ex-boyfriend; disclosing his name could identify her.

From her testimony:

Q. While you were together, did you ever tell Matt that you'd been sexually abused by Maxwell and Epstein?

A. Yes.

"All rise."

The jury enters. Judge Nathan says courtroom sketch artists should not precisely draw "Matt's" features, either. (Sketches of "Jane" were obscured at the face.)

He's called to the witness box, is sworn in, and explains the use of the pseudonym. He tells the jury he's been employed on and off as an actor on a TV show for the past 15 years.

Q: "How do you know Jane?"

A: "She's my ex-girlfriend."

She says they were together between 2006 to 2014, approximately — moving into together one year into the relationship. "Matt" testifies that "Jane" initially referred to Epstein as her "godfather," who helped pay her family's bills and was "looking out for her family."

Q: Did there come a time when she told you why Jeffrey Epstein gave her money?

A: Yes.

Asked about what she said, he replies: "She never went into detail. She just said that it wasn't pretty."

Q: Did she ever use the word 'massage'?

Defense: Objection—leading

Nathan: Overruled. I'll allow it.

A: Yes.

Did she ever tell you that there was a woman in the house?

A: Yes.

Q: Did she tell you that the woman in the house made her feel comfortable?

A: Yes.

"Matt," about a comment by "Jane": "She'd just say to me: 'Matt,' the money wasn't fucking free."

Extremely fast testimony. Prosecution wraps shortly. Maxwell's lawyer, Bobbi Sternheim, declines to cross-examine him.

Next witness:

Daniel Besselsen, assistant VP of finance at Interlochen, the arts academy at the center of Jane's story. Besselsen confirms Epstein was a donor to Interlochen, describes the "Jeffrey Epstein Scholarship Lodge." A photo of the lodge is entered into evidence.

Court Adjourned

[Extra Details c/o Adam Klasfeld]

Menninger tries to undermine "Jane's" account of her difficult family life through school records at Interlochen, like an application describing her "loving family."

Yesterday, "Jane" testified that her mother instructed her not to discuss her feelings and family. Menninger pivots to "Jane's" first meeting with Epstein and Maxwell in 1994, at the Interlochen arts academy.

The defense attorney says that she has given different accounts of the meeting. An ongoing defense strategy is undermining the women's memories of decades-old events. Menninger asks if "Jane" remembered testimony being by herself at Jeffrey Epstein's house in Palm Beach. "Jane" agrees.

The attorney says that she told the government something different and begins reading a document — drawing a prosecution objection. Menninger says that she told the government that she was with her mother and brothers in the beginning.

"Jane" says she doesn't remember that. "Jane," as the defense attorney tries to undermine her memory: "Memory's not linear."

Q: The dinner you had at your house was prior to any abuse.

A: That's not true.

Menninger tries to read from a document, sparking an objection from the government. "Your honor," the prosecutor says, she objects to Menninger "testifying."

Sidebar

Menninger says "Jane" does not recall whether Maxwell ever touched her. "That's not true," "Jane" says. Menninger asks whether she told the government she could not recall that. "I don't recall."

Menninger asks whether she told the government Maxwell never watched her perform oral sex on Epstein. "That's correct," "Jane" says. Same answer when asked to confirm she told the government Maxwell never used sex toys or a vibrator on her.

Recess

Menninger pivots to the first time "Jane" says Epstein abused her. She testified that's when Epstein masturbated on her in the Palm Beach pool house. The lawyer says she told the government in 2019 that it was in New York. Jane: "That is not correct"

Menninger is confronting her with notes from unrecorded interviews with the government. "Jane" has said repeatedly during cross-ex that the notes were inaccurate. "This is just someone jotting down notes," she said.

There's a lot of dispute about whether the notes suggest "Jane" told the government she went to see the "Lion King" on Broadway with Maxwell in New York;

• if so, when they purportedly saw it;

• and whether "Jane's" purported chronology conflicted with its opening date.

Q: You don't recall any abuse happening when you first came to New Mexico, correct?

A: That is not correct.

Under the rules of evidence, these notes can be shown to the witness to refresh her recollection because they cannot be entered as exhibits as verbatim transcripts (which they are not). Menninger is systematically contrasting "Jane's" testimony what these records reflect.

"Jane" says she was never asked to recruit other girls or directed to have sex with any of Epstein's associates.

Q: "Mr. Epstein introduced you to Donald Trump, correct?"

She says yes.

Pressed by Menninger, "Jane" agrees that she said Epstein drove her to Mar-a-Lago in a dark green car when she was 14. This line of questioning is not explored much further. Menninger pivots to unrelated allegations of group sexualized massages.

Q: You remember Prince Andrew being on a flight with you?

Yes.

Lunch Recess

[Extra Details c/o Adam Klasfeld]

Menninger tries to undermine "Jane's" account of her difficult family life through school records at Interlochen, like an application describing her "loving family."

Yesterday, "Jane" testified that her mother instructed her not to discuss her feelings and family. Menninger pivots to "Jane's" first meeting with Epstein and Maxwell in 1994, at the Interlochen arts academy.

The defense attorney says that she has given different accounts of the meeting. An ongoing defense strategy is undermining the women's memories of decades-old events. Menninger asks if "Jane" remembered testimony being by herself at Jeffrey Epstein's house in Palm Beach. "Jane" agrees.

The attorney says that she told the government something different and begins reading a document — drawing a prosecution objection. Menninger says that she told the government that she was with her mother and brothers in the beginning.

"Jane" says she doesn't remember that. "Jane," as the defense attorney tries to undermine her memory: "Memory's not linear."

Q: The dinner you had at your house was prior to any abuse.

A: That's not true.

Menninger tries to read from a document, sparking an objection from the government. "Your honor," the prosecutor says, she objects to Menninger "testifying."

Sidebar

Menninger says "Jane" does not recall whether Maxwell ever touched her. "That's not true," "Jane" says. Menninger asks whether she told the government she could not recall that. "I don't recall."

Menninger asks whether she told the government Maxwell never watched her perform oral sex on Epstein. "That's correct," "Jane" says. Same answer when asked to confirm she told the government Maxwell never used sex toys or a vibrator on her.

Recess

Menninger pivots to the first time "Jane" says Epstein abused her. She testified that's when Epstein masturbated on her in the Palm Beach pool house. The lawyer says she told the government in 2019 that it was in New York. Jane: "That is not correct"

Menninger is confronting her with notes from unrecorded interviews with the government. "Jane" has said repeatedly during cross-ex that the notes were inaccurate. "This is just someone jotting down notes," she said.

There's a lot of dispute about whether the notes suggest "Jane" told the government she went to see the "Lion King" on Broadway with Maxwell in New York;

• if so, when they purportedly saw it;

• and whether "Jane's" purported chronology conflicted with its opening date.

Q: You don't recall any abuse happening when you first came to New Mexico, correct?

A: That is not correct.

Under the rules of evidence, these notes can be shown to the witness to refresh her recollection because they cannot be entered as exhibits as verbatim transcripts (which they are not). Menninger is systematically contrasting "Jane's" testimony what these records reflect.

"Jane" says she was never asked to recruit other girls or directed to have sex with any of Epstein's associates.

Q: "Mr. Epstein introduced you to Donald Trump, correct?"

She says yes.

Pressed by Menninger, "Jane" agrees that she said Epstein drove her to Mar-a-Lago in a dark green car when she was 14. This line of questioning is not explored much further. Menninger pivots to unrelated allegations of group sexualized massages.

Q: You remember Prince Andrew being on a flight with you?

Yes.

[Extra Details c/o Adam Klasfeld]

Menninger tries to undermine "Jane's" account of her difficult family life through school records at Interlochen, like an application describing her "loving family."

Yesterday, "Jane" testified that her mother instructed her not to discuss her feelings and family. Menninger pivots to "Jane's" first meeting with Epstein and Maxwell in 1994, at the Interlochen arts academy.

The defense attorney says that she has given different accounts of the meeting. An ongoing defense strategy is undermining the women's memories of decades-old events. Menninger asks if "Jane" remembered testimony being by herself at Jeffrey Epstein's house in Palm Beach. "Jane" agrees.

The attorney says that she told the government something different and begins reading a document — drawing a prosecution objection. Menninger says that she told the government that she was with her mother and brothers in the beginning.

"Jane" says she doesn't remember that. "Jane," as the defense attorney tries to undermine her memory: "Memory's not linear."

Q: The dinner you had at your house was prior to any abuse.

A: That's not true.

Menninger tries to read from a document, sparking an objection from the government. "Your honor," the prosecutor says, she objects to Menninger "testifying."

Sidebar

Menninger says "Jane" does not recall whether Maxwell ever touched her. "That's not true," "Jane" says. Menninger asks whether she told the government she could not recall that. "I don't recall."

Menninger asks whether she told the government Maxwell never watched her perform oral sex on Epstein. "That's correct," "Jane" says. Same answer when asked to confirm she told the government Maxwell never used sex toys or a vibrator on her.

Menninger pivots to the first time "Jane" says Epstein abused her. She testified that's when Epstein masturbated on her in the Palm Beach pool house. The lawyer says she told the government in 2019 that it was in New York. Jane: "That is not correct"

Menninger is confronting her with notes from unrecorded interviews with the government. "Jane" has said repeatedly during cross-ex that the notes were inaccurate. "This is just someone jotting down notes," she said.

There's a lot of dispute about whether the notes suggest "Jane" told the government she went to see the "Lion King" on Broadway with Maxwell in New York;

• if so, when they purportedly saw it;

• and whether "Jane's" purported chronology conflicted with its opening date.

Q: You don't recall any abuse happening when you first came to New Mexico, correct?

A: That is not correct.

Under the rules of evidence, these notes can be shown to the witness to refresh her recollection because they cannot be entered as exhibits as verbatim transcripts (which they are not). Menninger is systematically contrasting "Jane's" testimony what these records reflect.

"Jane" says she was never asked to recruit other girls or directed to have sex with any of Epstein's associates.

Q: "Mr. Epstein introduced you to Donald Trump, correct?"

She says yes.

Pressed by Menninger, "Jane" agrees that she said Epstein drove her to Mar-a-Lago in a dark green car when she was 14. This line of questioning is not explored much further. Menninger pivots to unrelated allegations of group sexualized massages.

Q: You remember Prince Andrew being on a flight with you?

Yes.

[Extra Details c/o Adam Klasfeld]

Menninger tries to undermine "Jane's" account of her difficult family life through school records at Interlochen, like an application describing her "loving family."

Yesterday, "Jane" testified that her mother instructed her not to discuss her feelings and family. Menninger pivots to "Jane's" first meeting with Epstein and Maxwell in 1994, at the Interlochen arts academy.

The defense attorney says that she has given different accounts of the meeting. An ongoing defense strategy is undermining the women's memories of decades-old events. Menninger asks if "Jane" remembered testimony being by herself at Jeffrey Epstein's house in Palm Beach. "Jane" agrees.

The attorney says that she told the government something different and begins reading a document — drawing a prosecution objection. Menninger says that she told the government that she was with her mother and brothers in the beginning.

"Jane" says she doesn't remember that. "Jane," as the defense attorney tries to undermine her memory: "Memory's not linear."

Q: The dinner you had at your house was prior to any abuse.

A: That's not true.

Menninger tries to read from a document, sparking an objection from the government. "Your honor," the prosecutor says, she objects to Menninger "testifying."

Sidebar

Menninger says "Jane" does not recall whether Maxwell ever touched her. "That's not true," "Jane" says. Menninger asks whether she told the government she could not recall that. "I don't recall."

Menninger asks whether she told the government Maxwell never watched her perform oral sex on Epstein. "That's correct," "Jane" says. Same answer when asked to confirm she told the government Maxwell never used sex toys or a vibrator on her.

[Extra Details c/o Adam Klasfeld]

Menninger tries to undermine "Jane's" account of her difficult family life through school records at Interlochen, like an application describing her "loving family."

Yesterday, "Jane" testified that her mother instructed her not to discuss her feelings and family. Menninger pivots to "Jane's" first meeting with Epstein and Maxwell in 1994, at the Interlochen arts academy.

The defense attorney says that she has given different accounts of the meeting. An ongoing defense strategy is undermining the women's memories of decades-old events. Menninger asks if "Jane" remembered testimony being by herself at Jeffrey Epstein's house in Palm Beach. "Jane" agrees.

The attorney says that she told the government something different and begins reading a document — drawing a prosecution objection. Menninger says that she told the government that she was with her mother and brothers in the beginning.

"Jane" says she doesn't remember that. "Jane," as the defense attorney tries to undermine her memory: "Memory's not linear."

Q: The dinner you had at your house was prior to any abuse.

A: That's not true.

Menninger tries to read from a document, sparking an objection from the government. "Your honor," the prosecutor says, she objects to Menninger "testifying."

Sidebar

[Extra Details c/o Adam Klasfeld]

Menninger tries to undermine "Jane's" account of her difficult family life through school records at Interlochen, like an application describing her "loving family."

Yesterday, "Jane" testified that her mother instructed her not to discuss her feelings and family. Menninger pivots to "Jane's" first meeting with Epstein and Maxwell in 1994, at the Interlochen arts academy.

The defense attorney says that she has given different accounts of the meeting. An ongoing defense strategy is undermining the women's memories of decades-old events. Menninger asks if "Jane" remembered testimony being by herself at Jeffrey Epstein's house in Palm Beach. "Jane" agrees.

The attorney says that she told the government something different and begins reading a document — drawing a prosecution objection. Menninger says that she told the government that she was with her mother and brothers in the beginning.

"Jane" says she doesn't remember that. "Jane," as the defense attorney tries to undermine her memory: "Memory's not linear."

Q: The dinner you had at your house was prior to any abuse.

A: That's not true.

Menninger tries to read from a document, sparking an objection from the government. "Your honor," the prosecutor says, she objects to Menninger "testifying."

[Extra Details c/o Adam Klasfeld]

Menninger tries to undermine "Jane's" account of her difficult family life through school records at Interlochen, like an application describing her "loving family."

Yesterday, "Jane" testified that her mother instructed her not to discuss her feelings and family. Menninger pivots to "Jane's" first meeting with Epstein and Maxwell in 1994, at the Interlochen arts academy.

The defense attorney says that she has given different accounts of the meeting. An ongoing defense strategy is undermining the women's memories of decades-old events. Menninger asks if "Jane" remembered testimony being by herself at Jeffrey Epstein's house in Palm Beach. "Jane" agrees.

The attorney says that she told the government something different and begins reading a document — drawing a prosecution objection. Menninger says that she told the government that she was with her mother and brothers in the beginning.

"Jane" says she doesn't remember that. "Jane," as the defense attorney tries to undermine her memory: "Memory's not linear."

Q: The dinner you had at your house was prior to any abuse. A: That's not true.

Menninger tries to read from a document, sparking an objection from the government. "Your honor," the prosecutor says, she objects to Menninger "testifying."

[Extra Details c/o Adam Klasfeld]

Menninger tries to undermine "Jane's" account of her difficult family life through school records at Interlochen, like an application describing her "loving family."

Yesterday, "Jane" testified that her mother instructed her not to discuss her feelings and family. Menninger pivots to "Jane's" first meeting with Epstein and Maxwell in 1994, at the Interlochen arts academy.

The defense attorney says that she has given different accounts of the meeting. An ongoing defense strategy is undermining the women's memories of decades-old events. Menninger asks if "Jane" remembered testimony being by herself at Jeffrey Epstein's house in Palm Beach. "Jane" agrees.

The attorney says that she told the government something different and begins reading a document — drawing a prosecution objection. Menninger says that she told the government that she was with her mother and brothers in the beginning.

"Jane" says she doesn't remember that. "Jane," as the defense attorney tries to undermine her memory: "Memory's not linear."