I like most of your posts rooftop (I mostly lurk and comment as I did on chans and voat) and appreciate your long post on where the debate is at and why it's wrongly framed.

My belief is if it is moving and splitting and growing...it is living. It is making its brain and heart to better support its life but i happen to believe each cell is a brain and it can feel itself to do its most basic functions. The lowliest one celled organism bacteria would be considered a sign of life by science on another planet so why not the two celled split organism at conception? And I call those cells my baby when actively trying to procreate even at 1 week pregnant. So my thing is that it doesn't need a heart or nerve ending to want to exist if it is already growing it clearly does want to exist. It is the basic form of us yes but it is still a unique human life. Maybe science will be able to see far enough some day to know that a divided 2 celled human being can feel at its most basic level. Then would abortion be wrong for those who say not past a heartbeat or until it can feel etc..but before is ok?

Yeah maybe there should be exceptions if it's forced on you by a real rape but those are less than 1% of what the debate is even talking about. Most people are doing it for convenience and as birth control because they've been told it is just a clump of cells and it's their body to choose to murder it. At 8 weeks that baby has every organ and limb and is super small but formed but that is legal to abort as well in 1st trimester.

Many women have never seen an aborted baby spasming in death throws in the 1st trimester because they willfully will not look at the ultrasounds showing it clearly. Deep down they know it's life but want to stay asleep to the evil of it for conveniences sake. Murder isn't a choice and while it is in their body it is its own form tenously only attached through a placenta which is an organ it grew. Murder is never right.

It is also not needed to abort a child to save the moms life. I'm sure there's one rare exception but most of the time delivering the baby saves the life of both. C section is done.

If you look at ultrasounds of abortions or wanted babies you cannot unlook and if it doesn't effect that person they might be a psychopath.

Not saying you are one, as i dont know how much research or looking you have done but for some reason I felt I needed to comment on this. Maybe it will spark a thought for someone. I tried for 20 years and 7 rounds of grueling ivf. I've read thousands of papers and seen hundreds of ultrasounds. I know the heart ache of a lost child at 4 weeks and 6 weeks and 8 weeks and the joy from my firstborn this year at 42. When you want that life you can feel it's presence. It effects every part of your body and communicates with your body and you feel its loss for days and weeks and years. For a women to willingly put herself into that kind of trauma and to be the cause of it...it breaks my heart for them even if they do not understand what they did was wrong. But many who did an abortion deeply regretted it right after and turned them prolife. It's innate shame they did something wrong even if they don't know why. The body knew.

Babies are a gift. Struggling with infertility you realize just how tenuous and amazing it all is. Most babies die naturally before a women even gets a period. More than most women know. If any one thing goes wrong in the cycle process that life isn't happening. They teach us procreation is easy but in reality healthy couples in their fertile years between 18 and 28 only have a 25% chance of conception. It lowers every year after that until its less than 5% chance to even conceive in your 40s. That isn't even the % chance that baby implants which is lower. And the % chance that baby lives to a heartbeat. Every baby has passed insurmountable odds to be a gift. It shouldn't be discarded like trash.

Love your posts though!

I like most of your posts rooftop (I mostly lurk and comment as I did on chans and voat) and appreciate your long post on where the debate is at and why it's wrongly framed.

My belief is if it is moving and splitting and growing...it is living. It is making its brain and heart to better support its life but i happen to believe each cell is a brain and it can feel itself to do its most basic functions. The lowliest one celled organism bacteria would be considered a sign of life by science on another planet so why not the two celled split organism at conception? And I call those cells my baby when actively trying to procreate even at 1 week pregnant. So my thing is that it doesn't need a heart or nerve ending to want to exist if it is already growing it clearly does want to exist. It is the basic form of us yes but it is still a unique human life. Maybe science will be able to see far enough some day to know that a divided 2 celled human being can feel at its most basic level. Then would abortion be wrong for those who say not past a heartbeat or until it can feel etc..but before is ok?

Yeah maybe there should be exceptions if it's forced on you by a real rape but those are less than 1% of what the debate is even talking about. Most people are doing it for convenience and as birth control because they've been told it is just a clump of cells and it's their body to choose to murder it. At 8 weeks that baby has every organ and limb and is super small but formed but that is legal to abort as well in 1st trimester.

Many women have never seen an aborted baby spasming in death throws in the 1st trimester because they willfully will not look at the ultrasounds showing it clearly. Deep down they know it's life but want to stay asleep to the evil of it for conveniences sake. Murder isn't a choice and while it is in their body it is its own form tenously only attached through a placenta which is an organ it grew. Murder is never right.

It is also not needed to abort a child to save the moms life. I'm sure there's one rare exception but most of the time delivering the baby saves the life of both. C section is done.

If you look at ultrasounds of abortions or wanted babies you cannot unlook and if it doesn't effect that person they might be a psychopath.

Not saying you are one, as i dont know how much research or looking you have done but for some reason I felt I needed to comment on this. Maybe it will spark a thought for someone. I tried for 20 years and 7 rounds of grueling ivf. I've read thousands of papers and seen hundreds of ultrasounds. I know the heart ache of a lost child at 4 weeks and 6 weeks and 8 weeks and the joy from my firstborn this year at 42. When you want that life you can feel it's presence. It effects every part of your body and communicates with your body and you feel its loss for days and weeks and years. For a women to willingly put herself into that kind of trauma and to be the cause of it...it breaks my heart for them even if they do not understand what they did was wrong. But many who did an abortion deeply regretted it right after and turned them prolife. It's innate shame they did something wrong even if they don't know why. The body knew.