Cant decide what bringing up black tips had to do with anything in the convo?
They were stocking on green tips for the added penetrating power on soft targets, not hard.
Further, for those needing to know the difference since you brought it up---
Importantly, you cant GET black tips which are armor piercing, or "AP", from a local store and anyone bragging about having them is stupid to begin with. Only way you can is if you "know someone" or are federally approved, just like having a class 3 license for a machinegun ownership. But who wants the latter option? You'll be one of the first [they] come for.
Green tips are improved penetrators only, not AP, and can be obtained locally. They WILL go thru all non-military body armor, which sounds contrary to being a "non-AP round", but body armor is still considered to be a "soft target" up to class 3a...hence the distinction. Coincidentally, this includes anything cops have access to wearing during normal duty; i.e. level 1, 2, and 3a.
Class 3 (plate carriers) and up is no chance unless you have a larger and heavier caliber than .223/5.56; i.e. .338 Lapua (and larger) will zing right thru Class 3, for instance. Anything better than Class 3 will require larger calibers and actual AP rounds (e.g. steel cores) to have a chance of going thru...although it will definitely knock whoever is hit right square on their asses and out of the fight from pain, even if it doesn't penetrate, because the energy and mass of the round still obeys physics and transfers.
Hope this short synopsis helps those not knowing the difference.
Edit: almost forgot: Source=myself and 24rs military, most of which was in warzones.
Cant decide what bringing up black tips had to do with anything in the convo?
They were stocking on green tips for the added penetrating power on soft targets, not hard.
Further, for those needing to know the difference since you brought it up---
Importantly, you cant GET black tips which are armor piercing, or "AP", from a local store and anyone bragging about having them is stupid to begin with. Only way you can is if you "know someone" or are federally approved, just like having a class 3 license for a machinegun ownership. But who wants the latter option? You'll be one of the first [they] come for.
Green tips are improved penetrators only, not AP, and can be obtained locally. They WILL go thru all non-military body armor, which sounds contrary to being a "non-AP round", but body armor is still considered to be a "soft target" up to class 3a...hence the distinction. Coincidentally, this includes anything cops have access to wearing during normal duty; i.e. level 1, 2, and 3a.
Class 3 (plate carriers) and up is no chance unless you have a larger and heavier caliber than .223/5.56; i.e. .338 Lapua (and larger) will zing right thru Class 3, for instance. Anything better than Class 3 will require larger calibers and actual AP rounds (e.g. steel cores) to have a chance of going thru...although it will definitely knock whoever is hit right square on their asses and out of the fight from pain, even if it doesn't penetrate, because the energy and mass of the round still obeys physics and transfers.
Hope this short synopsis helps those not knowing the difference.
Cant decide what bringing up black tips had to do with anything in the convo?
They were stocking on green tips for the added penetrating power on soft targets, not hard.
Further, for those needing to know the difference since you brought it up---
Importantly, you cant GET black tips which are armor piercing, or "AP", from a local store and anyone bragging about having them is stupid to begin with. Only way you can is if you "know someone" or are federally approved, just like having a class 3 license for a machinegun ownership. But who wants the latter option? You'll be one of the first [they] come for.
Green tips are improved penetrators only, not AP, and can be obtained locally. They WILL go thru all non-military body armor, which sounds contrary to being a "non-AP round", but body armor is still considered to be a "soft target" up to class 3a...hence the distinction. Coincidentally, this includes anything cops have access to wearing during normal duty; i.e. level 1, 2, and 3a.
Class 3 (plate carriers) and up is no chance unless you have a larger and heavier caliber than .223/5.56; i.e. .338 Lapua (and larger) will zing right thru Class 3, for instance. Anything better than Class 3 will require larger calibers and actual AP rounds (e.g. steel cores) to have a chance of going thru...although it will definitely knock whoever is hit right square on their asses and out of the fight from pain, even if it doesn't penetrate, because the energy and mass of the round still obeys physics and transfers.
Hope this short synopsis helps those not knowing the difference.