That difference is the difference between slavery and personal responsibility.

Debt is debt. You are skipping the real issue. The issue is a debt based society v. a pay after you earn society. The difference is absolutely gigantic, as you will see when I expose the history of it.

there has never been a system where an individual can issue their own currency backed by their own labour.

This really is effectively what we have. It may seem like the bank is issuing the currency, but it is a "choice" that you make. (I put choice in quotes because its not really a choice but a purposeful design of our current system. It IS the fraud.) The money you get from the bank is created on the spot. A "loan" is not a loan, it is the creation of money at your request, for you to use as you please. It is backed by your future labor. What we have is exactly what your sentence says.

Thats splitting a big hair.

If I'm making a lot of engines, taking a bar and turning it into wire is placing it in a machine, coming back from lunch and having an engine. Don't create an argument where none exists.

If you take a loan you cannot pay, then you will suffer.

Why would we create a society whose primary design is "you work or else you suffer?"

If I have to work to save and then I can buy something, then it's mine. There is no need to "avoid suffering." If society is set up so that I can follow a reasonable path to work, save up and buy something, that is a society that encourages good, responsible, rewarding behavior. If society is instead set up so that I either "pay my debts" or "suffer the consequences" that is no where near as positive of a society.

History shows clearly that we never had such a debt based society until the CABAL forced it on us. If you go to a village in random BFE you will find that people work, earn, and use what they earned to buy something (through barter, with real assets). That is taking responsibility. That is working for what you want.

What you are describing is being responsible to avoid getting fucked by a system that is going to fuck you if you don't. What I am talking about is taking responsibility to work, then get what you want after you have put in the work, because the system is designed to encourage you to work to get what you want after you have done so.

Or should I promise to do work tomorrow and get the bread now.

I am NOT saying debt has no place. I am saying that creating a system that is designed around debt is a systm that is far, far worse than one that is not based on debt, but upon working for what you want, and then getting it after you've done the work.

That difference is the difference between slavery and personal responsibility.

Debt is debt. You are skipping the real issue. The issue is a debt based society v. a pay after you earn society. The difference is absolutely gigantic, as you will see when I expose the history of it.

there has never been a system where an individual can issue their own currency backed by their own labour.

This really is effectively what we have. It may seem like the bank is issuing the currency, but it is a "choice" that you make. (I put choice in quotes because its not really a choice but a purposeful design of our current system. It IS the fraud.) The money you get from the bank is created on the spot. A "loan" is not a loan, it is the creation of money at your request, for you to use as you please. It is backed by your future labor. What we have is exactly what your sentence says.

Thats splitting a big hair.

If I'm making a lot of engines, taking a bar and turning it into wire is placing it in a machine, coming back from lunch and having an engine. Don't create an argument where none exists.

If you take a loan you cannot pay, then you will suffer.

Why would we create a society whose primary design is to work or else you suffer?

If I have to work to save and then I can buy something, then it's mine. There is no need to "avoid suffering." If society is set up so that I can follow a reasonable path to work, save up and buy something, that is a society that encourages good, responsible, rewarding behavior. If society is instead set up so that I either "pay my debts" or "suffer the consequences" that is no where near as positive of a society.

History shows clearly that we never had such a debt based society until the CABAL forced it on us. If you go to a village in random BFE you will find that people work, earn, and use what they earned to buy something (through barter, with real assets). That is taking responsibility. That is working for what you want.

What you are describing is being responsible to avoid getting fucked by a system that is going to fuck you if you don't. What I am talking about is taking responsibility to work, then get what you want after you have put in the work, because the system is designed to encourage you to work to get what you want after you have done so.

Or should I promise to do work tomorrow and get the bread now.

I am NOT saying debt has no place. I am saying that creating a system that is designed around debt is a systm that is far, far worse than one that is not based on debt, but upon working for what you want, and then getting it after you've done the work.

That difference is the difference between slavery and personal responsibility.

Debt is debt. You are skipping the real issue. The issue is a debt based society v. a pay after you earn society. The difference is absolutely gigantic, as you will see when I expose the history of it.

there has never been a system where an individual can issue their own currency backed by their own labour.

This really is effectively what we have. It may seem like the bank is issuing the currency, but it is a "choice" that you make. It is created on the spot at your request. A "loan" is not a loan, it is the creation of money at your request, for you to use as you please. It is backed by your future labor. What we have is exactly what your sentence says.

Thats splitting a big hair.

If I'm making a lot of engines, taking a bar and turning it into wire is placing it in a machine, coming back from lunch and having an engine. Don't create an argument where none exists.

If you take a loan you cannot pay, then you will suffer.

Why would we create a society whose primary design is to work or else you suffer?

If I have to work to save and then I can buy something, then it's mine. There is no need to "avoid suffering." If society is set up so that I can follow a reasonable path to work, save up and buy something, that is a society that encourages good, responsible, rewarding behavior. If society is instead set up so that I either "pay my debts" or "suffer the consequences" that is no where near as positive of a society.

History shows clearly that we never had such a debt based society until the CABAL forced it on us. If you go to a village in random BFE you will find that people work, earn, and use what they earned to buy something (through barter, with real assets). That is taking responsibility. That is working for what you want.

What you are describing is being responsible to avoid getting fucked by a system that is going to fuck you if you don't. What I am talking about is taking responsibility to work, then get what you want after you have put in the work, because the system is designed to encourage you to work to get what you want after you have done so.

Or should I promise to do work tomorrow and get the bread now.

I am NOT saying debt has no place. I am saying that creating a system that is designed around debt is a systm that is far, far worse than one that is not based on debt, but upon working for what you want, and then getting it after you've done the work.

That difference is the difference between slavery and personal responsibility.

Debt is debt. You are skipping the real issue. The issue is a debt based society v. a pay after you earn society. The difference is absolutely gigantic, as you will see when I expose the history of it.

there has never been a system where an individual can issue their own currency backed by their own labour.

This really is effectively what we have. It may seem like the bank is issuing the currency, but it is a "choice" that you make. It is created on the spot at your request. A "loan" is not a loan, it is the creation of money at your request, for you to use as you please. It is backed by your future labor. What we have is exactly what your sentence says.

Thats splitting a big hair.

If I'm making a lot of engines, taking a bar and turning it into wire is placing it in a machine, coming back from lunch and having an engine. Don't create an argument where none exists.

If you take a loan you cannot pay, then you will suffer.

Why would we create a society whose primary design is to work or else you suffer?

If I have to work to save and then I can buy something, then it's mine. There is no need to "avoid suffering." If society is set up so that I can follow a reasonable path to work, save up and buy something, that is a society that encourages good responsible, rewarding behavior. If society is instead set up so that I either "pay my debts" or "suffer the consequences" that is no where near as positive of a society.

History shows clearly that we never had such a debt based society until the CABAL forced it on us. If you go to a village in random BFE you will find that people work, earn, and use what they earned to buy something (through barter, with real assets). That is taking responsibility. That is working for what you want.

What you are describing is being responsible to avoid getting fucked by a system that is going to fuck you if you don't. What I am talking about is taking responsibility to work, then get what you want after you have put in the work, because the system is designed to encourage you to work to get what you want after you have done so.

Or should I promise to do work tomorrow and get the bread now.

I am NOT saying debt has no place. I am saying that creating a system that is designed around debt is a systm that is far, far worse than one that is not based on debt, but upon working for what you want, and then getting it after you've done the work.

That difference is the difference between slavery and personal responsibility.

Debt is debt. You are skipping the real issue. The issue is a debt based society v. a pay after you earn society. The difference is absolutely gigantic, as you will see when I expose the history of it.

there has never been a system where an individual can issue their own currency backed by their own labour.

This really is effectively what we have. It may seem like the bank is issuing the currency, but it is a "choice" that you make. It is created on the spot at your request. A "loan" is not a loan, it is the creation of money at your request, for you to use as you please. It is backed by your future labor. What we have is exactly what your sentence says.

Thats splitting a big hair.

If I'm making a lot of engines, taking a bar and turning it into wire is placing it in a machine, coming back from lunch and having an engine. Don't create an argument where none exists.

If you take a loan you cannot pay, then you will suffer.

Why would we create a society whose primary design is to work or else you suffer?

If I have to work to save and then I can buy something, then it's mine. There is no need to "avoid suffering." If society is set up so that I can reasonable work, save up and buy something, that is a society that encourages good behavior. If society is instead set up so that I either "pay my debts" or "suffer the consequences" that is no where near as positive of a society.

History shows clearly that we never had such a debt based society until the CABAL forced it on us. If you go to a village in random BFE you will find that people work, earn, and use what they earned to buy something (through barter, with real assets). That is taking responsibility. That is working for what you want.

What you are describing is being responsible to avoid getting fucked by a system that is going to fuck you if you don't. What I am talking about is taking responsibility to work, then get what you want after you have put in the work, because the system is designed to encourage you to work to get what you want after you have done so.

Or should I promise to do work tomorrow and get the bread now.

I am NOT saying debt has no place. I am saying that creating a system that is designed around debt is a systm that is far, far worse than one that is not based on debt, but upon working for what you want, and then getting it after you've done the work.

That difference is the difference between slavery and personal responsibility.

Debt is debt. You are skipping the real issue. The issue is a debt based society v. a pay after you earn society. The difference is absolutely gigantic, as you will see when I expose the history of it.

there has never been a system where an individual can issue their own currency backed by their own labour.

This really is effectively what we have. It may seem like the bank is issuing the currency, but it is a "choice" that you make. It is created on the spot at your request. A "loan" is not a loan, it is the creation of money at your request, for you to use as you please. It is backed by your future labor. What we have is exactly what your sentence says.

Thats splitting a big hair.

If I'm making a lot of engines, taking a bar and turning it into wire is placing it in a machine, coming back from lunch and having an engine. Don't create an argument where none exists.

If you take a loan you cannot pay, then you will suffer.

Why would we create a society whose primary design is to work or else you suffer?

If I have to work, to save and then I can buy something, then it's mine. There is no need to "avoid suffering." If society is set up so that I can reasonable work, save up and buy something, that is a society that encourages good behavior. If society is instead set up so that I either "pay my debts" or "suffer the consequences" that is no where near as positive of a society.

History shows clearly that we never had such a debt based society until the CABAL forced it on us. If you go to a village in random BFE you will find that people work, earn, and use what they earned to buy something (through barter, with real assets). That is taking responsibility. That is working for what you want.

What you are describing is being responsible to avoid getting fucked by a system that is going to fuck you if you don't. What I am talking about is taking responsibility to work, then get what you want after you have put in the work, because the system is designed to encourage you to work to get what you want after you have done so.

Or should I promise to do work tomorrow and get the bread now.

I am NOT saying debt has no place. I am saying that creating a system that is designed around debt is a systm that is far, far worse than one that is not based on debt, but upon working for what you want, and then getting it after you've done the work.

That difference is the difference between slavery and personal responsibility.

Debt is debt. You are skipping the real issue. The issue is a debt based society v. a pay after you earn society. The difference is absolutely gigantic, as you will see when I expose the history of it.

there has never been a system where an individual can issue their own currency backed by their own labour.

This really is effectively what we have. It may seem like the bank is issuing the currency, but it is a "choice" that you make. It is created on the spot at your request. A "loan" is not a loan, it is the creation of money at your request, for you to use as you please. It is backed by your future labor. What we have is exactly what your sentence says.

Thats splitting a big hair.

If I'm making a lot of engines, taking a bar and turning it into wire is placing it in a machine, coming back from lunch and having an engine. Don't create an argument where none exists.

If you take a loan you cannot pay, then you will suffer.

Why would we create a society whose primary design is to work or else you suffer.

If I have to work, to save and then I can buy something, then it's mine. There is no need to "avoid suffering." If society is set up so that I can reasonable work, save up and buy something, that is a society that encourages good behavior. If society is instead set up so that I either "pay my debts" or "suffer the consequences" that is no where near as positive of a society.

History shows clearly that we never had such a debt based society until the CABAL forced it on us. If you go to a village in random BFE you will find that people work, earn, and use what they earned to buy something (through barter, with real assets). That is taking responsibility. That is working for what you want.

What you are describing is being responsible to avoid getting fucked by a system that is going to fuck you if you don't. What I am talking about is taking responsibility to work, then get what you want after you have put in the work, because the system is designed to encourage you to work to get what you want after you have done so.

Or should I promise to do work tomorrow and get the bread now.

I am NOT saying debt has no place. I am saying that creating a system that is designed around debt is a systm that is far, far worse than one that is not based on debt, but upon working for what you want, and then getting it after you've done the work.

That difference is the difference between slavery and personal responsibility.

Debt is debt. You are skipping the real issue. The issue is a debt based society v. a pay after you earn society. The difference is absolutely gigantic, as you will see when I expose the history of it.

there has never been a system where an individual can issue their own currency backed by their own labour.

This really is effectively what we have. It may seem like the bank is issuing the currency, but it is a "choice" that you make. It is created on the spot at your request. A "loan" is not a loan, it is the creation of money at your request, for you to use as you please. It is backed by your future labor. What we have is exactly what your sentence says.

Thats splitting a big hair.

You're being ridiculous. If I'm making a lot of engines, taking a bar and turning it into wire is placing it in a machine, coming back from lunch and having an engine. Don't create an argument where none exists.

If you take a loan you cannot pay, then you will suffer.

Why would we create a society whose primary design is to work or else you suffer.

Look, if I have to work, to save and then I can buy something, then it's mine. There is no need to "avoid suffering." If society is set up so that I can reasonable work, save up and buy something, that is a society that encourages good behavior. If society is instead set up so that I either "pay my debts" or "suffer the consequences" that is no where near as positive of a society.

History shows clearly that we never had such a debt based society until the CABAL forced it on us. If you go to a village in random BFE you will find that people work, earn, and use what they earned to buy something (through barter, with real assets). That is taking responsibility. That is working for what you want.

What you are describing is being responsible to avoid getting fucked by a system that is going to fuck you if you don't. What I am talking about is taking responsibility to work, then get what you want after you have put in the work, because the system is designed to encourage you to work to get what you want after you have done so.

Or should I promise to do work tomorrow and get the bread now.

I am NOT saying debt has no place. I am saying that creating a system that is designed around debt is a systm that is far, far worse than one that is not based on debt, but upon working for what you want, and then getting it after you've done the work.

That difference is the difference between slavery and personal responsibility.

Debt is debt. You are skipping the real issue. The issue is a debt based society v. a pay after you earn society. The difference is absolutely gigantic, as you will see when I expose the history of it.

there has never been a system where an individual can issue their own currency backed by their own labour.

This really is effectively what we have. It may seem like the bank is issuing the currency, but it is a "choice" that you make. It is created on the spot at your request. A "loan" is not a loan, it is the creation of money at your request, for you to use as you please. It is backed by your future labor. What we have is exactly what your sentence says.

Thats splitting a big hair.

You're being ridiculous. If I'm making a lot of engines, taking a bar and turning it into wire is placing it in a machine, coming back from lunch and having an engine. Don't create an argument where none exists.

If you take a loan you cannot pay, then you will suffer.

Why would we create a society whose primary design is to work or else you suffer.

Look, if I save and buy something, then it's mine. If society is set up so that I can reasonable work, save up and buy something, that is a society that encourages good behavior. If society is instead set up so that I either "pay my debts" or "suffer the consequences" that is no where near as positive of a society.

History shows clearly that we never had such a debt based society until the CABAL forced it on us. If you go to a village in random BFE you will find that people work, earn, and use what they earned to buy something (through barter, with real assets). That is taking responsibility. That is working for what you want.

What you are describing is being responsible to avoid getting fucked by a system that is going to fuck you if you don't. What I am talking about is taking responsibility to work, then get what you want after you have put in the work, because the system is designed to encourage you to work to get what you want after you have done so.

Or should I promise to do work tomorrow and get the bread now.

I am NOT saying debt has no place. I am saying that creating a system that is designed around debt is a systm that is far, far worse than one that is not based on debt, but upon working for what you want, and then getting it after you've done the work.

That difference is the difference between slavery and personal responsibility.

Debt is debt. You are skipping the real issue. The issue is a debt based society v. a pay after you earn society. The difference is absolutely gigantic, as you will see when I expose the history of it.

there has never been a system where an individual can issue their own currency backed by their own labour.

This really is effectively what we have. It may seem like the bank is issuing the currency, but it is a "choice" that you make. It is created on the spot at your request. A "loan" is not a loan, it is the creation of money at your request, for you to use as you please. It is backed by your future labor. What we have is exactly what your sentence says.

Thats splitting a big hair.

You're being ridiculous. If I'm making a lot of engines, taking a bar and turning it into wire is placing it in a machine, coming back from lunch and having an engine. Don't create an argument where none exists.

If you take a loan you cannot pay, then you will suffer.

Why would we create a society that encourages potential suffering.

Look, if I save and buy something, then it's mine. If society is set up so that I can reasonable work, save up and buy something, that is a society that encourages good behavior. If society is instead set up so that I either "pay my debts" or "suffer the consequences" that is no where near as positive of a society.

History shows clearly that we never had such a debt based society until the CABAL forced it on us. If you go to a village in random BFE you will find that people work, earn, and use what they earned to buy something (through barter, with real assets). That is taking responsibility. That is working for what you want.

What you are describing is being responsible to avoid getting fucked by a system that is going to fuck you if you don't. What I am talking about is taking responsibility to work, then get what you want after you have put in the work, because the system is designed to encourage you to work to get what you want after you have done so.

Or should I promise to do work tomorrow and get the bread now.

I am NOT saying debt has no place. I am saying that creating a system that is designed around debt is a systm that is far, far worse than one that is not based on debt, but upon working for what you want, and then getting it after you've done the work.