Thanks for replying, Rooftop. Maybe its foolish to attempt to share a sincere and heart-felt communication on an online forum.

"that just depends on if you're a narcissist or not." I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

Perhaps you are correct. Maybe I misread your intent, and the heart and attitude you were attempting to express. Maybe I misinterpreted it. I'm open to that possibility.

I don't know if there is any value in attempting to discuss the issues. Maybe we just see things too differently at this point. Which I would think is OK. At least, I tried sincerely express my mind to the person I was commenting to, and to be honest and open about it.

You know, after I posted my comment, I reflected on it a lot. And, to be perfectly honest, I experienced a sense of regret and a pang of judgment, too. Here I was talking about you being too harsh and hard of heart, but what about me? I tried to justify my criticism of you by appealing to my own feelings about the tragedies around us. As if my feelings about the situation trump yours or anyone else's. Physician, heal thyself.

I'm certainly not annoyed by your post - at least, I don't think so. But I will say that I feel the broken heart and agony of those who have acted in ignorance with their sincerity. It doesn't feel like you do (maybe you do, how would I know?). Anyway, that thought makes me sad.

"What would you have to say about republicans who didn't trust the shot...."

Is it my place to say anything about them? To condemn them? Is it somehow OUR job to judge and condemn them? To be honest, I don't really care about those that have actually sacrificed their children out of ego or selfishness or pride, or convenience. Why should I provide any portion of my heart to care about or be concerned about them. Can I change them? I fully agree with you (I think) that they will certainly face the consequences. I see suffering for them, although I certainly do not relish it.

What I DO care about is the parents who have agonized for months and years now, watching their children suffer in lockdowns (you know that I live in the MOST lockdown city on the planet, don't you? One cannot begin to describe the agony my whole society and people have been put through, prior even to the injections coming out.) Who may have taken the injections because they felt they had no choice and that it might help resolve the situation. Who, in their ignorance, have suffered. And those that, in ignorance, deceived by evil, have actually injected their children.

That's who I care about. The children, the parents. I do not care very much about those who acted from arrogance, selfishness or ego. As I already said, their suffering will be great. It will be what it is. But honestly, I do not give any space in my heart or mind dwelling on them, or their future.

Anyway, that's me. But let me share one or two thoughts here, honestly.

"Well the day of judgement IS at hand for these parents who you are making excuses for in sweeping generalizations like you know them and know their souls, which you don't."

I have to say, you've done me a great disservice. "making excuses for"? "Sweeping generalizations".

You say I'm making excuses for people. Your view. Let's disagree. I'm trying to understand, from God's viewpoint, who my people are.

Secondly, maybe I've misread you, but it seems like you are making sweeping generalizations. UNless I was inarticulate, I wrote, and intended to experss the view, that while SOME have surely acted from ego and selfishness, I know of many who have not, and I also believe that there are also many who have not. So I'm not going to condemn all as if they are one and only one. Don't you think that you made a massive sweeping generalization when you condemned ALL parents in your post, regardless? Did I misread you?

Finally, I mean, let's be real. How do you know what I do or don't know people and their souls, or their hearts? You don't know, do you? Or do you?

But even so, I mean, do YOU know about all the parents you have made sweeping statements about, and the content of their souls? I mean, asking for a fren. Because that is exactly what your post seems to say. Perhaps I'm just misreading it. After all, <fact> text is VERY limited in how much meaning it conveys.

Before I conclude, let me say this: I feel no animosity or annoyance towards you, or towards the preacher shouting out "repent". Indeed, we need that. Heck, we should be saying that at the top of our voices. But is that what you intended to communicate, in your post? Maybe I was just having a bad day. I didn't really quite get that. (Were you attempting to inspire people to repent by telling them that they are screwed and their children will hate them?)

Also I think I've expressed my appreciation for your posts, your presence in the board community, and more. So, after this, I'll be moving on and I'll be holding no prejudices towards you or about you. I hope it will be likewise for you, but either way....

But let me conclude with this. When I was a young boy, I had visitations from Jesus, and from other saints. I felt the grieving heart of Christ, as he wept over humanity, who, in their sin and ignorance, are suffering under the devil's thralldom. I wept many tears as I experienced, was overwhelmed, by the grief and sorrow in Jesus' heart. I forgot those experiences until I re-encountered Jesus at the ripe old age of 18. (many years ago now).

And then, when I began to actually read through scripture and pray, as an adult, through conscious choice, I noticed how many parts of scripture described and conveyed Jesus sorrow and grief at the suffering of human beings.

When I was a child, I was taught about Jesus as if he is some sort of impervious wonderful king, a judge, some glorious, transcendent, unattached being, who only felt love, joy and happiness. As an adult, through really encountering Jesus, I recognized that, like a young child who doesn't really understand what his or her parents may be going through, I had been ignorant of Jesus all along.

In my experience, if one reads the gospels, paying attention to all the times that Jesus weeps, sheds tears, and what he expresses about how he feels (indirectly through his words), then one cannot but help encounter a different kind of Jesus to the one taught by well-meaning pastors and believers who have never considered how much a man of sorrow was our Lord. Yes, he is the Lord of Glory and Light, but he also bears the sins of the world, and more importantly, the suffering of the world, in his single perfect heart.

Anyway, that's my thought.

You are certainly correct about one thing. None of them, or us, can escape the consequences of our choices.

Thanks again for replying, sharing your views. I look forward to seeing more of your posts on the board. FI

Thanks for replying, Rooftop.

"that just depends on if you're a narcissist or not." I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

Perhaps you are correct. Maybe I misread your intent, and the heart and attitude you were attempting to express. Maybe I misinterpreted it. I'm open to that possibility.

I don't know if there is any value in attempting to discuss the issues. Maybe we just see things too differently at this point. Which I would think is OK. At least, I tried sincerely express my mind to the person I was commenting to, and to be honest and open about it.

You know, after I posted my comment, I reflected on it a lot. And, to be perfectly honest, I experienced a sense of regret and a pang of judgment, too. Here I was talking about you being too harsh and hard of heart, but what about me? I tried to justify my criticism of you by appealing to my own feelings about the tragedies around us. As if my feelings about the situation trump yours or anyone else's. Physician, heal thyself.

I'm certainly not annoyed by your post - at least, I don't think so. But I will say that I feel the broken heart and agony of those who have acted in ignorance with their sincerity. It doesn't feel like you do (maybe you do, how would I know?). Anyway, that thought makes me sad.

"What would you have to say about republicans who didn't trust the shot...."

Is it my place to say anything about them? To condemn them? Is it somehow OUR job to judge and condemn them? To be honest, I don't really care about those that have actually sacrificed their children out of ego or selfishness or pride, or convenience. Why should I provide any portion of my heart to care about or be concerned about them. Can I change them? I fully agree with you (I think) that they will certainly face the consequences. I see suffering for them, although I certainly do not relish it.

What I DO care about is the parents who have agonized for months and years now, watching their children suffer in lockdowns (you know that I live in the MOST lockdown city on the planet, don't you? One cannot begin to describe the agony my whole society and people have been put through, prior even to the injections coming out.) Who may have taken the injections because they felt they had no choice and that it might help resolve the situation. Who, in their ignorance, have suffered. And those that, in ignorance, deceived by evil, have actually injected their children.

That's who I care about. The children, the parents. I do not care very much about those who acted from arrogance, selfishness or ego. As I already said, their suffering will be great. It will be what it is. But honestly, I do not give any space in my heart or mind dwelling on them, or their future.

Anyway, that's me. But let me share one or two thoughts here, honestly.

"Well the day of judgement IS at hand for these parents who you are making excuses for in sweeping generalizations like you know them and know their souls, which you don't."

I have to say, you've done me a great disservice. "making excuses for"? "Sweeping generalizations".

Firstly, don't you think that YOU made a massive sweeping generalization when you condemned ALL parents in your post?

Secondly, how do you know what I know or don't know about people's souls? You don't, do you? Or do you?

Do YOU know about all the parents you have made sweeping statements about, and the content of their souls? Asking for a fren. Because that is exactly what your post seems to say. Perhaps I'm just misreading it. After all, <fact> text is VERY limited in how much meaning it conveys.

Before I conclude, let me say this: I feel no animosity or annoyance towards you, or towards the preacher shouting out "repent". Indeed, we need that. Is that what you intended to communicate, in your post? Maybe I was just having a bad day. I didn't really quite get that.

Also I think I've expressed my appreciation for your posts, your presence in the board community, and more. So, after this, I'll be moving on and I'll be holding no prejudices towards you or about you. I hope it will be likewise for you.

But let me conclude with this. When I was a young boy, I had visitations from Jesus, and from other saints. I felt the grieving heart of Christ, as he wept over humanity, who, in their sin and ignorance, are suffering under the devil's thralldom. I wept many tears as I experienced, was overwhelmed, by the grief and sorrow in Jesus' heart. I forgot those experiences until I re-encountered Jesus at the ripe old age of 18. (many years ago now).

And then, when I began to actually read through scripture and pray, as an adult, through conscious choice, I noticed how many parts of scripture described and conveyed Jesus sorrow and grief at the suffering of human beings.

When I was a child, I was taught about Jesus as if he is some sort of impervious wonderful king, a judge, some glorious, transcendent, unattached being, who only felt love, joy and happiness. As an adult, through really encountering Jesus, I recognized that, like a young child who doesn't really understand what his or her parents may be going through, I had been ignorant of Jesus all along.

In my experience, if one reads the gospels, paying attention to all the times that Jesus weeps, sheds tears, and what he expresses about how he feels (indirectly through his words), then one cannot but help encounter a different kind of Jesus to the one taught by well-meaning pastors and believers who have never considered how much a man of sorrow was our Lord. Yes, he is the Lord of Glory and Light, but he also bears the sins of the world, and more importantly, the suffering of the world, in his single perfect heart. Myself, I try to daily grow my heart to know and understand what that is like. I want to know our Lord more intimately than I know anyone or anything.

Anyway, that's my thought.

You are certainly correct about one thing. None of them, or us, can escape the consequences of our choices.

Thanks again for replying, sharing your views. I look forward to seeing more of your posts on the board. FI

Thanks for replying, Rooftop.

"that just depends on if you're a narcissist or not." I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

Perhaps you are correct. Maybe I misread your intent, and the heart and attitude you were attempting to express. Maybe I misinterpreted it. I'm open to that possibility.

I don't know if there is any value in attempting to discuss the issues. Maybe we just see things too differently at this point. Which I would think is OK. At least, I tried sincerely express my mind to the person I was commenting to, and to be honest and open about it.

You know, after I posted my comment, I reflected on it a lot. And, to be perfectly honest, I experienced a sense of regret and a pang of judgment, too. Here I was talking about you being too harsh and hard of heart, but what about me? I tried to justify my criticism of you by appealing to my own feelings about the tragedies around us. As if my feelings about the situation trump yours or anyone else's. Physician, heal thyself.

I'm certainly not annoyed by your post - at least, I don't think so. But I will say that I feel the broken heart and agony of those who have acted in ignorance with their sincerity. It doesn't feel like you do (maybe you do, how would I know?). Anyway, that thought makes me sad.

"What would you have to say about republicans who didn't trust the shot...."

Is it my place to say anything about them? To condemn them? Is it somehow OUR job to judge and condemn them? To be honest, I don't really care about those that have actually sacrificed their children out of ego or selfishness or pride, or convenience. I fully agree with you (I think) that they will certainly face the consequences. I see suffering for them, although I certainly do not relish it.

What I DO care about is the parents who have agonized for months and years now, watching their children suffer in lockdowns (you know that I live in the MOST lockdown city on the planet, don't you? One cannot begin to describe the agony my whole society and people have been put through, prior even to the injections coming out.) Who may have taken the injections because they felt they had no choice and that it might help resolve the situation. Who, in their ignorance, have suffered. And those that, in ignorance, deceived by evil, have actually injected their children.

That's who I care about. The children, the parents. I do not care very much about those who acted from arrogance, selfishness or ego. As I already said, their suffering will be great. It will be what it is. But honestly, I do not give any space in my heart or mind dwelling on them, or their future.

Anyway, that's me. But let me share one or two thoughts here, honestly.

"Well the day of judgement IS at hand for these parents who you are making excuses for in sweeping generalizations like you know them and know their souls, which you don't."

I have to say, you've done me a great disservice. "making excuses for"? "Sweeping generalizations".

Firstly, don't you think that YOU made a massive sweeping generalization when you condemned ALL parents in your post?

Secondly, how do you know what I know or don't know about people's souls? You don't, do you? Or do you?

Do YOU know about all the parents you have made sweeping statements about, and the content of their souls? Asking for a fren. Because that is exactly what your post seems to say.

Let me conclude with this. I feel no animosity or annoyance towards you. Indeed, I think I've expressed my appreciation for your posts, your presence in the board community, and more. So, after this, I'll be moving on and I'll be holding no prejudices towards you or about you. I hope it will be likewise for you.

But let me conclude with this. When I was a young boy, I had visitations from Jesus, and from other saints. I felt the grieving heart of Christ, as he wept over humanity, who, in their sin and ignorance, are suffering under the devil's thralldom. I wept many tears as I experienced, was overwhelmed, by the grief and sorrow in Jesus' heart. I forgot those experiences until I re-encountered Jesus at the ripe old age of 18. (many years ago now)

And then, when I began to actually read through scripture and pray, as an adult, through conscious choice, I noticed in how many parts of scripture described and conveyed Jesus sorrow and grief at the suffering of human beings. There is so much.

When I was a child, I was taught about Jesus as if he is some sort of impervious wonderful king, a judge, some glorious, transcendent, unattached being. As an adult, through really encountering Jesus, I recognized that, like a young child who doesn't really understand what his or her parents may be going through, I had been ignorant of Jesus all along.

In my experience, if one reads the gospels, paying attention to all the times that Jesus weeps, sheds tears, and what he expresses about how he feels (indirectly through his words), then one cannot but help encounter a different kind of Jesus to the one taught by well-meaning pastors and believers who have never considered how much a man of sorrow was our Lord.

Anyway, that's my thought.

You are certainly correct about one thing. None of them, or us, can escape the consequences of our choices.

Thanks again for replying, sharing your views. I look forward to seeing more of your posts on the board. FI