I think it's a completely unsubstantiated assertion that patriots who follow Q need to be validated or "proven right" for their ego's sake. That's not the motivation whatsoever.

Respectfully, are you sure you want to commit to that assertion so completely?

Every day or so, I see posts from non-handshake accounts expressing a desire for public arrests. Why public? If private can accomplish the mission, and it already seems to be the way Q is going with McCain and possibly others, then what is the point of streaming the proof on television?

You haven't seen these comments asking for some sort of vindication? Perhaps you don't need it, but do you feel that comfortable suggesting that members of the Q movement have "no motivation whatsoever" to enjoy the schadenfreude of the "I told you so" moment of the Storm and the sudden confirmed, public elevation to expert on current events?

An analogy would be some guy who fixes up antique cars in their spare time, because they have the time to do so, are interested and enjoy doing it. Is everyone else who doesn't want to fix antique cars stupid?

If they know that some assassin intends to kill them and permanently destroy their legacy unless they get that car fixed?

Yeah, I'd say that's pretty stupid. :)

I have plenty of interest in figuring this stuff out, and I am under no threat whatsoever from Q's success. If Q is actually releasing information that is confirmed as proving knowledge of the Cabal's plans, the Cabal would know that better than anyone, since they're the ones making the plans.

They'd be the ones freaking out over deltas, because unlike me, they can actually confirm their own involvement in the events those deltas are targeting.

So yes, I would very much say that if there is any legitimacy to Q whatsoever, this Cabal would know it better than any of you. And they'd be more interested than any of you in getting to the bottom of it. And they'd have far more resources to do so than anyone around here, unless one of our users has a very interesting secret. :)

Test your theory against my theory. Under your theory, Hunter Biden would never keep a single image of himself having sex with minors on his laptop, knowing its a risk and there being no real reason to incriminate himself. Your theory doesn't make sense in that situation.

I would respectfully suggest that if you are constantly dismissing the capacity for people to act illogically, then I am not surprised that Q is the only way to make sense of the world.

People are dumb. Criminals get caught leaving behind evidence all the time, especially sexual predators who need to keep trophies for their memories.

I don't know if Biden is guilty of the accusations that Q people make around here, but if you're going to assume that criminality corresponds with carefulness or intelligence, then I would definitely take a step back and reevaluate. The vast majority of criminals are caught because they did something stupid to incriminate themselves.

There's no imperative to be convinced. If arrests happen you'll understand and Q will have served its purpose, if they don't then belief in Q will diminish and you will have received your conditions for Q being falsifiable.

Eh, kind of.

But it's up to each and every individual to decide when arrests haven't happened, isn't it? That's kind of the issue.

The Q movement as a whole is non-falsifiable, because there is no way to prove that arrests haven't happened or will never happen. There's always a chance that disinformation was necessary, and that it's just a longer delta than we thought.

Which means the falsifiable condition is, "when enough individuals get sick of waiting and hit some personal, gut-related arbitrary deadline." Which isn't really falsifiable, as far as the entire philosophy goes.

That's why I've always been interested in this question. If I'm wrong, it's loud, obvious, and undeniable.

If you are, nobody is ever going to prove it. This movement just decays one person at a time, and nobody ever really has to recognize it.

I struggle to differentiate that mechanic with the death of a religion. The condition is only falsifiable on one direction. In the other direction, we're just waiting for believers to lose faith on their own accord. They weren't proven wrong. They just give up.

Most researchable fields are falsifiable through the presentation of evidence countering it, not through the researchers eventually getting bored of waiting for someone else to prove them right.

As a note, I'll state openly that I'm not a child and won't consider retiring this conversation as a "forfeit" by either side. If you think we've milked this conversation as far as we can, then I'm happy to touch base with you the next time we both find a topic interesting to talk about. I don't like accidentally trapping people in discussions.

But I'm always happy to keep talking as long as you think we have something to talk about.

I think it's a completely unsubstantiated assertion that patriots who follow Q need to be validated or "proven right" for their ego's sake. That's not the motivation whatsoever.

Respectfully, are you sure you want to commit to that assertion so completely?

Every day or so, I see posts from non-handshake accounts expressing a desire for public arrests. Why public? If private can accomplish the mission, and it already seems to be the way Q is going with McCain and possibly others, then what is the point of streaming the proof on television?

You haven't seen these comments asking for some sort of vindication? Perhaps you don't need it, but do you feel that comfortable suggesting that members of the Q movement have "no motivation whatsoever" to enjoy the schadenfreude of the "I told you so" moment of the Storm and the sudden confirmed, public elevation to expert on current events?

An analogy would be some guy who fixes up antique cars in their spare time, because they have the time to do so, are interested and enjoy doing it. Is everyone else who doesn't want to fix antique cars stupid?

If they know that some assassin intends to kill them and permanently destroy their legacy unless they get that car fixed?

Yeah, I'd say that's pretty stupid. :)

I have plenty of interest in figuring this stuff out, and I am under no threat whatsoever from Q's success. If Q is actually releasing information that is confirmed as proving knowledge of the Cabal's plans, the Cabal would know that better than anyone, since they're the ones making the plans.

They'd be the ones freaking out over deltas, because unlike me, they can actually confirm their own involvement in the events those deltas are targeting.

So yes, I would very much say that if there is any legitimacy to Q whatsoever, this Cabal would know it better than any of you. And they'd be more interested than any of you in getting to the bottom of it. And they'd have far more resources to do so than anyone around here, unless one of our users has a very interesting secret. :)

Test your theory against my theory. Under your theory, Hunter Biden would never keep a single image of himself having sex with minors on his laptop, knowing its a risk and there being no real reason to incriminate himself. Your theory doesn't make sense in that situation.

I would respectfully suggest that if you are constantly dismissing the capacity for people to act illogically, then I am not surprised that Q is the only way to make sense of the world.

People are dumb. Criminals get caught leaving behind evidence all the time, especially sexual predators who need to keep trophies for their memories.

I don't know if Biden is guilty of the accusations that Q people make around here, but if you're going to assume that criminality corresponds with carefulness or intelligence, then I would definitely take a step back and reevaluate. The vast majority of criminals are caught because they did something stupid to incriminate themselves.

There's no imperative to be convinced. If arrests happen you'll understand and Q will have served its purpose, if they don't then belief in Q will diminish and you will have received your conditions for Q being falsifiable.

Eh, kind of.

But it's up to each and every individual to decide when arrests haven't happened, isn't it? That's kind of the issue.

The Q movement as a whole is non-falsifiable, because there is no way to prove that arrests haven't happened or will never happen. There's always a chance that disinformation was necessary, and that it's just a longer delta than we thought.

Which means the falsifiable condition is, "when enough individuals get sick of waiting and hit some personal, gut-related arbitrary deadline." Which isn't really falsifiable, as far as the entire philosophy goes.

That's why I've always been interested in this question. If I'm wrong, it's loud, obvious, and undeniable.

If you are, nobody is ever going to prove it. This movement just decays one person at a time, and nobody ever really has to recognize it.

I struggle to differentiate that mechanic with the death of a religion. The condition is only falsifiable on one direction. In the other direction, we're just waiting for believers to lose faith on their own accord. They weren't proven wrong. They just give up.

A little unbalanced, isn't it?

As a note, I'll state openly that I'm not a child and won't consider retiring this conversation as a "forfeit" by either side. If you think we've milked this conversation as far as we can, then I'm happy to touch base with you the next time we both find a topic interesting to talk about. I don't like accidentally trapping people in discussions.

But I'm always happy to keep talking as long as you think we have something to talk about.