When you start bandying about with hyperbolic rhetoric and claiming that my argument (based solely on Paul's writing) is based on false doctrine, do you really expect me to take that in good faith? You should have realized that you were taking it too far. That's not talking doctrine, it is starting a fight. Perhaps you are the one who needs to do some growing.
I will only make this one last post, because I feel that you are trying to waste my time.
My last argument comes from my first post.
Paul says this: "15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me."
He is speaking in present tense. He says that "what I AM DOING (sinning) I do not understand. For what I WILL TO DO" (righteous deeds), that I do not practice; But WHAT I HATE (sin), THAT I DO.
Tell me this: If he (in present tense) does not do the good that he wants to do and DOES do the EVIL (SIN) he does not want to do, what does that make him? A SINNER! Sinners sin. If you sin you are a sinner. Paul says that he is continuing to sin, even though he is walking in the spirit. If you say otherwise you are either lying to me or to yourself.
He is still justified by Christ's blood, of course. But he is still a sinner. Because he still sins.
This is not He USED to be a sinner. This is a 100% absolute verifiable certainty that he is still sinning because he says so in plain language.
You can't be righteous and a sinner, it's a contradictory in terms, bow maybe you don't understand righteousness, ao you think you can be both at the same time.
I am not righteous, and neither are you. We are imputed Christ's righteousness. It is not our righteousness that saves us. It is HIS.
Romans 3:10
As it is written:
“There is none righteous, no, not one;
When you start bandying about with hyperbolic rhetoric and claiming that my argument (based solely on Paul's writing) is based on false doctrine, do you really expect me to take that in good faith? You should have realized that you were taking it too far. That's not talking doctrine, it is starting a fight. Perhaps you are the one who needs to do some growing.
I will only make this one last post, because I feel that you are trying to waste my time.
My last argument comes from my first post.
Paul says this: "15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me."
He is speaking in present tense. He says that "what I AM DOING (sinning) I do not understand. For what I WILL TO DO" (righteous deeds), that I do not practice; But WHAT I HATE (sin), THAT I DO.
Tell me this: If he (in present tense) does not do the good that he wants to do and DOES do the EVIL (SIN) he does not want to do, what does that make him? A SINNER! Sinners sin. If you sin you are a sinner. Paul says that he is continuing to sin, even though he is walking in the spirit. If you say otherwise you are either lying to me or to yourself.
He is still justified by Christ's blood, of course. But he is still a sinner. Because he still sins.
This is not He USED to be a sinner. This is a 100% absolute verifiable certainty that he is still sinning because he says so in plain language.
You can't be righteous and a sinner, it's a contradictory in terms, bow maybe you don't understand righteousness, ao you think you can be both at the same time.
I am not righteous, and neither are you. We are imputed Christ's righteousness. It is not our righteousness that saves us. It is HIS.
As it is written:
Romans 3:10 “There is none righteous, no, not one;
When you start bandying about with hyperbolic rhetoric and claiming that my argument (based solely on Paul's writing) is based on false doctrine, do you really expect me to take that in good faith? You should have realized that you were taking it too far. That's not talking doctrine, it is starting a fight. Perhaps you are the one who needs to do some growing.
I will only make this one last post, because I feel that you are trying to waste my time.
My last argument comes from my first post.
Paul says this: "15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me."
He is speaking in present tense. He says that "what I AM DOING (sinning) I do not understand. For what I WILL TO DO" (righteous deeds), that I do not practice; But WHAT I HATE (sin), THAT I DO.
Tell me this: If he (in present tense) does not do the good that he wants to do and DOES do the EVIL (SIN) he does not want to do, what does that make him? A SINNER! Sinners sin. If you sin you are a sinner. Paul says that he is continuing to sin, even though he is walking in the spirit. If you say otherwise you are either lying to me or to yourself.
He is still justified by Christ's blood, of course. But he is still a sinner. Because he still sins.
This is not He USED to be a sinner. This is a 100% absolute verifiable certainty that he is still sinning because he says so in plain language.
You can't be righteous and a sinner, it's a contradictory in terms, bow maybe you don't understand righteousness, ao you think you can be both at the same time.
I am not righteous, and neither are you. We are imputed Christ's righteousness. It is not our righteousness that saves us. It is HIS.
When you start bandying about with hyperbolic rhetoric and claiming that my argument (based solely on Paul's writing) is based on false doctrine, do you really expect me to take that in good faith? You should have realized that you were taking it too far. That's not talking doctrine, it is starting a fight. Perhaps you are the one who needs to do some growing.
I will only make this one last post, because I feel that you are trying to waste my time.
My last argument comes from my first post.
Paul says this: "15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me."
He is speaking in present tense. He says that "what I AM DOING (sinning) I do not understand. For what I WILL TO DO" (righteous deeds), that I do not practice; But WHAT I HATE (sin), THAT I DO.
Tell me this: If he (in present tense) does not do the good that he wants to do and DOES do the EVIL (SIN) he does not want to do, what does that make him? A SINNER! Sinners sin. If you sin you are a sinner. Paul says that he is continuing to sin, even though he is walking in the spirit. If you say otherwise you are either lying to me or to yourself.
He is still justified by Christ's blood, of course. But he is still a sinner. Because he still sins.
This is not He USED to be a sinner. This is a 100% absolute verifiable certainty that he is still sinning because he says so in plain language.