You do, do you?
Yes, I hate touts and liars.
Then why do you keep spreading lies?
I will respond to anyone who makes this claim -- assuming I see the post.
I have already called you out with sauce, but instead of acknowledging that you were misguided by fake news, you come here with more fake news articles.
Unlike you, I had multiple people pushing multiple posts at me, and I responded to all I saw.
So, fuck off with your accusation.
Or do you want to be refreshed?
Yes, let's do that.
Here is the sauce that shows RC filed on 8/16
Maybe you can't read.
It says the date he began to sell was 8/16/22.
It says the date he filed that form was 8/17/22.
That is from a different website than the one I was looking at.
I was looking at SEC.gov. You are taking something from SEC.report.
Here is the website I was looking at with Ryan Cohen's filings:
What shows up on SEC.gov is (a) a filing on 8/15/22 showing his stock option position (which had been done several months before, so I question why he disclosed this on 8/15/22), (b) a filing on 8/16/22 showing his stock position (which was also done several months before), with both of these filings indicating a long position, and (c) two filings on 8/18/22 showing he sold it all.
There was no indication within those filings of any sales until after the sales were completed.
The document you posted shows he filed 8/17/22, indicating selling starting on 8/16/22.
In addition, the documents I cited show up on BBBY's SEC filings, but the one you cited does not.
https://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?CIK=0000886158&owner=exclude
So ...
I stand by my belief: Ryan Cohen led the public to believe he was a strong, long-term investor in BBBY. He got 3 people appointed to the Board of Directors. He made a big public splash about his letter(s) to BBBY, his interest in turning the company around, and his large investment stake -- including way out of the money call options that would expire within less than a year.
And then ... he pulled the rug out from everyone. On August 15, he filed an SEC document for no apparent reason, and another on August 16 for no apparent reason. The only reason I can see was to make it appear he was still very bullish.
Meanwhile, on that same day (August 16), he began to sell it all. I don't know how much was sold on 8/16 and how much on 8/17, but I do know it was all sold by 8/18, when he filed his last documents for BBBY.
When did he file the Form 144 (which does NOT show up on SEC.gov, and I could NOT locate via the search function of SEC.report) on 8/17? In other words, did he file that form MINUTES before he sold?
Clearly, whatever his original intensions were, starting back in January, did not pan out, as the stock was tanking. And then ... a VERY convenient spike up in price just as he was selling into it -- possibly with the help of Jake and Scott Freeman.
I have seen this song and dance before, in other companies and with other players.
I know what stock manipulation smells like. Looks and smells like manipulation to me.
That does not mean that asshole hedgies and asshole MSM financial media are not ALSO manipulating things.
But don't fucking call me out when your own document does not prove what you think it does -- and does not show up in Cohen's SEC filings.
Instead of parroting a MSM article blaming their share buybacks
BBBY spent $12 BILLION on share buybacks, and STILL their business sucked and got toasted. Today, they could have USED that $12 billion. Instead, they face bankruptcy.
This is ONE sign of poor management. Had nothing to do with Cohen, because he was not involved in any of that.
Just a sign that the company is run by poor management. That was the point of that. Anyone wanted to own this stock, is expecting poor management to do what they have not been able to do for years, now.
If you are a Cohen fan, maybe he exited stage left because he figured it out. I dunno. Also, don't really care.
you might want to do a little research into why companies are forced to do that,
What? Share buybacks? They are not forced into it. They do it because (a) it makes their financial statements look better (same earnings, but on fewer outstanding shares, equals higher earnings per share), which also leads to (b) better corporate executive bonuses in many cases. MBA types are taught that it enriches the shareholder, too. Maybe, but when companies are in financial trouble, it's s dumb move. THAT was the point of the stock analyst.
and how wallstreet destroys companies that don't play their games.
Yeah, I studied Patrick Byrne's situation and have learned a lot from him.
That does NOT mean that some anonymous bozos on Reddit know what they are talking about. They make some good points, and then they also make up a BUNCH of bullshit.
Touts and liars.
Consider yourself warned.
Warned about what? You get too emotional when someone disagrees with you?
Like I said, I didn't see EVERY post that was aimed at me. I responded to tons of them. I am not (usually) a post-and-run type. I usually respond to those who disagree.
The Form 144 you posted was a form I did not see before now.
It is NOT on the SEC.gov website for Ryan Cohen's company, or at least not with the search function I use.
And even that form says he sold 8/16 and filed the Form 144 on 8/17.
I assume the "05:08:30" is the time of day. Seems like morning, but I don't know enough about those forms.
Regardless, it does not change the fact that Cohen presented himself as a strong, long-term bull to the public, and the touts were pushing that as a big reason to buy/hodl BBBY, and then he just pulled the rug, and nobody knew it until AFTER the fact.
Of course ... if YOU can show me a post that YOU made that proves that YOU knew he filed that form BEFORE he sold, I would be happy to take a look.
But you and everyone else found that form AFTER he sold.
And then many who follow the touts and liars have held on all the way down -- more than 70% loss from the top. And many people bought the stock BECAUSE Ryan Cohen was a big investor.
So ... that's that.
Also ...
Do you know how someone with a huge stock position sells out of that position? He does not use a retail broker. He uses a prime broker. Prime brokers operate differently.
My guess would be he told his prime broker to sell it all, and in that second he was considered "out" with the prime broker taking over the position and unloading it over time (same day or longer, depending on the broker or trader for the broker).
So, theoretically, Cohen could have filed his 8/15 long options document, then filed his 8/16 long stock document, then just before the market closed on 8/16, could have been out in a matter of seconds, then filed that 144 after the market close, which then posted 8/17, but was not seen by other investors until 8/18, when he also filed the other 2 SEC documents, showing he was officially out.
I don't know because I don't have any inside info, but that's how it looks to me.
I don't know if it was illegal, but it sure does look sketchy ... to me.
You do, do you?
Yes, I hate touts and liars.
Then why do you keep spreading lies?
I will respond to anyone who makes this claim -- assuming I see the post.
I have already called you out with sauce, but instead of acknowledging that you were misguided by fake news, you come here with more fake news articles.
Unlike you, I had multiple people pushing multiple posts at me, and I responded to all I saw.
So, fuck off with your accusation.
Or do you want to be refreshed?
Yes, let's do that.
Here is the sauce that shows RC filed on 8/16
Maybe you can't read.
It says the date he began to sell was 8/16/22.
It says the date he filed that form was 8/17/22.
That is from a different website than the one I was looking at.
I was looking at SEC.gov. You are taking something from SEC.report.
Here is the website I was looking at with Ryan Cohen's filings:
What shows up on SEC.gov is (a) a filing on 8/15/22 showing his stock option position (which had been done several months before, so I question why he disclosed this on 8/15/22), (b) a filing on 8/16/22 showing his stock position (which was also done several months before), with both of these filings indicating a long position, and (c) two filings on 8/18/22 showing he sold it all.
There was no indication within those filings of any sales until after the sales were completed.
The document you posted shows he filed 8/17/22, indicating selling starting on 8/16/22.
In addition, the documents I cited show up on BBBY's SEC filings, but the one you cited does not.
https://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?CIK=0000886158&owner=exclude
So ...
I stand by my belief: Ryan Cohen led the public to believe he was a strong, long-term investor in BBBY. He got 3 people appointed to the Board of Directors. He made a big public splash about his letter(s) to BBBY, his interest in turning the company around, and his large investment stake -- including way out of the money call options that would expire within less than a year.
And then ... he pulled the rug out from everyone. On August 15, he filed an SEC document for no apparent reason, and another on August 16 for no apparent reason. The only reason I can see was to make it appear he was still very bullish.
Meanwhile, on that same day (August 16), he began to sell it all. I don't know how much was sold on 8/16 and how much on 8/17, but I do know it was all sold by 8/18, when he filed his last documents for BBBY.
When did he file the Form 144 (which does NOT show up on SEC.gov, and I could NOT locate via the search function of SEC.report) on 8/17? In other words, did he file that form MINUTES before he sold?
Clearly, whatever his original intensions were, starting back in January, did not pan out, as the stock was tanking. And then ... a VERY convenient spike up in price just as he was selling into it -- possibly with the help of Jake and Scott Freeman.
I have seen this song and dance before, in other companies and with other players.
I know what stock manipulation smells like. Looks and smells like manipulation to me.
That does not mean that asshole hedgies and asshole MSM financial media are not ALSO manipulating things.
But don't fucking call me out when your own document does not prove what you think it does -- and does not show up in Cohen's SEC filings.
Instead of parroting a MSM article blaming their share buybacks
BBBY spent $12 BILLION on share buybacks, and STILL their business sucked and got toasted. Today, they could have USED that $12 billion. Instead, they face bankruptcy.
This is ONE sign of poor management. Had nothing to do with Cohen, because he was not involved in any of that.
Just a sign that the company is run by poor management. That was the point of that. Anyone wanted to own this stock, is expecting poor management to do what they have not been able to do for years, now.
If you are a Cohen fan, maybe he exited stage left because he figured it out. I dunno. Also, don't really care.
you might want to do a little research into why companies are forced to do that,
What? Share buybacks? They are not forced into it. They do it because (a) it makes their financial statements look better (same earnings, but on fewer outstanding shares, equals higher earnings per share), which also leads to (b) better corporate executive bonuses in many cases. MBA types are taught that it enriches the shareholder, too. Maybe, but when companies are in financial trouble, it's s dumb move. THAT was the point of the stock analyst.
and how wallstreet destroys companies that don't play their games.
Yeah, I studied Patrick Byrne's situation and have learned a lot from him.
That does NOT mean that some anonymous bozos on Reddit know what they are talking about. They make some good points, and then they also make up a BUNCH of bullshit.
Touts and liars.
Consider yourself warned.
Warned about what? You get too emotional when someone disagrees with you?
Like I said, I didn't see EVERY post that was aimed at me. I responded to tons of them. I am not (usually) a post-and-run type. I usually respond to those who disagree.
The Form 144 you posted was a form I did not see before now.
It is NOT on the SEC.gov website for Ryan Cohen's company, or at least not with the search function I use.
And even that form says he sold 8/16 and filed the Form 144 on 8/17.
I assume the "05:08:30" is the time of day. Seems like morning, but I don't know enough about those forms.
Regardless, it does not change the fact that Cohen presented himself as a strong, long-term bull to the public, and the touts were pushing that as a big reason to buy/hodl BBBY, and then he just pulled the rug, and nobody knew it until AFTER the fact.
Of course ... if YOU can show me a post that YOU made the proves that YOU knew he filed that form BEFORE he sold, I would be happy to take a look.
But you and everyone else found that form AFTER he sold.
And then many who follow the touts and liars have held on all the way down -- more than 70% loss from the top. And many people bought the stock BECAUSE Ryan Cohen was a big investor.
So ... that's that.
Also ...
Do you know how someone with a huge stock position sells out of that position? He does not use a retail broker. He uses a prime broker. Prime brokers operate differently.
My guess would be he told his prime broker to sell it all, and in that second he was considered "out" with the prime broker taking over the position and unloading it over time (same day or longer, depending on the broker or trader for the broker).
So, theoretically, Cohen could have filed his 8/15 long options document, then filed his 8/16 long stock document, then just before the market closed on 8/16, could have been out in a matter of seconds, then filed that 144 after the market close, which then posted 8/17, but was not seen by other investors until 8/18, when he also filed the other 2 SEC documents, showing he was officially out.
I don't know because I don't have any inside info, but that's how it looks to me.
I don't know if it was illegal, but it sure does look sketchy ... to me.
You do, do you?
Yes, I hate touts and liars.
Then why do you keep spreading lies?
I will respond to anyone who makes this claim -- assuming I see the post.
I have already called you out with sauce, but instead of acknowledging that you were misguided by fake news, you come here with more fake news articles.
Unlike you, I had multiple people pushnig multiple posts at me, and I responded to all I saw.
So, fuck off with your accusation.
Or do you want to be refreshed?
Yes, let's do that.
Here is the sauce that shows RC filed on 8/16
Maybe you can't read.
It says the date he began to sell was 8/16/22.
It says the date he filed that form was 8/17/22.
That is from a different website than the one I was looking at.
I was looking at SEC.gov. You are taking something from SEC.report.
Here is the website I was looking at with Ryan Cohen's filings:
What shows up on SEC.gov is (a) a filing on 8/15/22 showing his stock option position (which had been done several months before, so I question why he disclosed this on 8/15/22), (b) a filing on 8/16/22 showing his stock position (which was also done several months before), with both of these filings indicating a long position, and (c) two filings on 8/18/22 showing he sold it all.
There was no indication within those filings of any sales until after the sales were completed.
The document you posted shows he filed 8/17/22, indicating selling starting on 8/16/22.
In addition, the documents I cited show up on BBBY's SEC filings, but the one you cited does not.
https://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?CIK=0000886158&owner=exclude
So ...
I stand by my belief: Ryan Cohen led the public to believe he was a strong, long-term investor in BBBY. He got 3 people appointed to the Board of Directors. He made a big public splash about his letter(s) to BBBY, his interest in turning the company around, and his large investment stake -- including way out of the money call options that would expire within less than a year.
And then ... he pulled the rug out from everyone. On August 15, he filed an SEC document for no apparent reason, and another on August 16 for no apparent reason. The only reason I can see was to make it appear he was still very bullish.
Meanwhile, on that same day (August 16), he began to sell it all. I don't know how much was sold on 8/16 and how much on 8/17, but I do know it was all sold by 8/18, when he filed his last documents for BBBY.
When did he file the Form 144 (which does NOT show up on SEC.gov, and I could NOT locate via the search function of SEC.report) on 8/17? In other words, did he file that form MINUTES before he sold?
Clearly, whatever his original intensions were, starting back in January, did not pan out, as the stock was tanking. And then ... a VERY convenient spike up in price just as he was selling into it -- possibly with the help of Jake and Scott Freeman.
I have seen this song and dance before, in other companies and with other players.
I know what stock manipulation smells like. Looks and smells like manipulation to me.
That does not mean that asshole hedgies and asshole MSM financial media are not ALSO manipulating things.
But don't fucking call me out when your own document does not prove what you think it does -- and does not show up in Cohen's SEC filings.
Instead of parroting a MSM article blaming their share buybacks
BBBY spent $12 BILLION on share buybacks, and STILL their business sucked and got toasted. Today, they could have USED that $12 billion. Instead, they face bankruptcy.
This is ONE sign of poor management. Had nothing to do with Cohen, because he was not involved in any of that.
Just a sign that the company is run by poor management. That was the point of that. Anyone wanted to own this stock, is expecting poor management to do what they have not been able to do for years, now.
If you are a Cohen fan, maybe he exited stage left because he figured it out. I dunno. Also, don't really care.
you might want to do a little research into why companies are forced to do that,
What? Share buybacks? They are not forced into it. They do it because (a) it makes their financial statements look better (same earnings, but on fewer outstanding shares, equals higher earnings per share), which also leads to (b) better corporate executive bonuses in many cases. MBA types are taught that it enriches the shareholder, too. Maybe, but when companies are in financial trouble, it's s dumb move. THAT was the point of the stock analyst.
and how wallstreet destroys companies that don't play their games.
Yeah, I studied Patrick Byrne's situation and have learned a lot from him.
That does NOT mean that some anonymous bozos on Reddit know what they are talking about. They make some good points, and then they also make up a BUNCH of bullshit.
Touts and liars.
Consider yourself warned.
Warned about what? You get too emotional when someone disagrees with you?
Like I said, I didn't see EVERY post that was aimed at me. I responded to tons of them. I am not (usually) a post-and-run type. I usually respond to those who disagree.
The Form 144 you posted was a form I did not see before now.
It is NOT on the SEC.gov website for Ryan Cohen's company, or at least not with the search function I use.
And even that form says he sold 8/16 and filed the Form 144 on 8/17.
I assume the "05:08:30" is the time of day. Seems like morning, but I don't know enough about those forms.
Regardless, it does not change the fact that Cohen presented himself as a strong, long-term bull to the public, and the touts were pushing that as a big reason to buy/hodl BBBY, and then he just pulled the rug, and nobody knew it until AFTER the fact.
Of course ... if YOU can show me a post that YOU made the proves that YOU knew he filed that form BEFORE he sold, I would be happy to take a look.
But you and everyone else found that form AFTER he sold.
And then many who follow the touts and liars have held on all the way down -- more than 70% loss from the top. And many people bought the stock BECAUSE Ryan Cohen was a big investor.
So ... that's that.
Also ...
Do you know how someone with a huge stock position sells out of that position? He does not use a retail broker. He uses a prime broker. Prime brokers operate differently.
My guess would be he told his prime broker to sell it all, and in that second he was considered "out" with the prime broker taking over the position and unloading it over time (same day or longer, depending on the broker or trader for the broker).
So, theoretically, Cohen could have filed his 8/15 long options document, then filed his 8/16 long stock document, then just before the market closed on 8/16, could have been out in a matter of seconds, then filed that 144 after the market close, which then posted 8/17, but was not seen by other investors until 8/18, when he also filed the other 2 SEC documents, showing he was officially out.
I don't know because I don't have any inside info, but that's how it looks to me.
I don't know if it was illegal, but it sure does look sketchy ... to me.
You do, do you?
Yes, I hate touts and liars.
Then why do you keep spreading lies?
I will respond to anyone who makes this claim -- assuming I see the post.
I have already called you out with sauce, but instead of acknowledging that you were misguided by fake news, you come here with more fake news articles.
Unlike you, I had multiple people pushnig multiple posts at me, and I responded to all I saw.
So, fuck off with your accusation.
Or do you want to be refreshed?
Yes, let's do that.
Here is the sauce that shows RC filed on 8/16
Maybe you can't read.
It says the date he began to sell was 8/16/22.
It says the date he filed that form was 8/17/22.
That is from a different website than the one I was looking at.
I was looking at SEC.gov. You are taking something from SEC.report.
Here is the website I was looking at with Ryan Cohen's filings:
What shows up on SEC.gov is (a) a filing on 8/15/22 showing his stock option position (which had been done several months before, so I question why he disclosed this on 8/15/22), (b) a filing on 8/16/22 showing his stock position (which was also done several months before), with both of these filings indicating a long position, and (c) two filings on 8/18/22 showing he sold it all.
There was no indication within those filings of any sales until after the sales were completed.
The document you posted shows he filed 8/17/22, indicating selling starting on 8/16/22.
In addition, the documents I cited show up on BBBY's SEC filings, but the one you cited does not.
https://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?CIK=0000886158&owner=exclude
So ...
I stand by my belief: Ryan Cohen led the public to believe he was a strong, long-term investor in BBBY. He got 3 people appointed to the Board of Directors. He made a big public splash about his letter(s) to BBBY, his interest in turning the company around, and his large investment stake -- including way out of the money call options that would expire within less than a year.
And then ... he pulled the rug out from everyone. On August 15, he filed an SEC document for no apparent reason, and another on August 16 for no apparent reason. The only reason I can see was to make it appear he was still very bullish.
Meanwhile, on that same day (August 16), he began to sell it all. I don't know how much was sold on 8/16 and how much on 8/17, but I do know it was all sold by 8/18, when he filed his last documents for BBBY.
When did he file the Form 144 (which does NOT show up on SEC.gov, and I could NOT locate via the search function of SEC.report) on 8/17? In other words, did he file that form MINUTES before he sold?
Clearly, whatever his original intensions were, starting back in January, did not pan out, as the stock was tanking. And then ... a VERY convenient spike up in price just as he was selling into it -- possibly with the help of Jake and Scott Freeman.
I have seen this song and dance before, in other companies and with other players.
I know what stock manipulation smells like. Looks and smells like manipulation to me.
That does not mean that asshole hedgies and asshole MSM financial media are not ALSO manipulating things.
But don't fucking call me out when your own document does not prove what you think it does -- and does not show up in Cohen's SEC filings.
Instead of parroting a MSM article blaming their share buybacks
BBBY spent $12 BILLION on share buybacks, and STILL their business sucked and got toasted. Today, they could have USED that $12 billion. Instead, they face bankruptcy.
This is ONE sign of poor management. Had nothing to do with Cohen, because he was not involved in any of that.
Just a sign that the company is run by poor management. That was the point of that. Anyone wanted to own this stock, is expecting poor management to do what they have not been able to do for years, now.
If you are a Cohen fan, maybe he exited stage left because he figured it out. I dunno. Also, don't really care.
you might want to do a little research into why companies are forced to do that,
What? Share buybacks? They are not forced into it. They do it because (a) it makes their financial statements look better (same earnings, but on fewer outstanding shares, equals higher earnings per share), which also leads to (b) better corporate executive bonuses in many cases. MBA types are taught that it enriches the shareholder, too. Maybe, but when companies are in financial trouble, it's s dumb move. THAT was the point of the stock analyst.
and how wallstreet destroys companies that don't play their games.
Yeah, I studied Patrick Byrne's situation and have learned a lot from him.
That does NOT mean that some anonymous bozos on Reddit know what they are talking about. They make some good points, and then they also make up a BUNCH of bullshit.
Touts and liars.
Consider yourself warned.
Warned about what? You get too emotional when someone disagrees with you?
Like I said, I didn't see EVERY post that was aimed at me. I responded to tons of them. I am not (usually) a post-and-run type. I usually respond to those who disagree.
The Form 144 you posted was a form I did not see before now.
It is NOT on the SEC.gov website for Ryan Cohen's company, or at least not with the search function I use.
And even that form says he sold 8/16 and filed the Form 144 on 8/17.
I assume the "05:08:30" is the time of day. Seems like morning, but I don't know enough about those forms.
Regardless, it does not change the fact that Cohen presented himself as a strong, long-term bull to the public, and the touts were pushing that as a big reason to buy/hodl BBBY, and then he just pulled the rug, and nobody knew it until AFTER the fact.
Of course ... if YOU can show me a post that YOU made the proves that YOU knew he filed that form BEFORE he sold, I would be happy to take a look.
But you and everyone else found that form AFTER he sold.
And then many who follow the touts and liars have held on all the way down -- more than 70% loss from the top. And many people bought the stock BECAUSE Ryan Cohen was a big investor.
So ... that's that.