Reformed guy here.... first let me say I do NOT support Catholicism, just truth. When you say "All the Reformers agreed that Catholicism was the beast" this is not true. Neither is this "Catholicism since that is the beast of Revelation"

Simple question: If Catholicism was the beast why were they trying to reform it?

Reformers did NOT agree to what you are claiming and they certainly didn't hold to your position that Revelation was about something in the FUTURE and not the destruction and localized judgment of Jerusalem in 70AD which already happened just like Jesus said it would "This generation shall not pass till all these things take place"

The beast of Revelation was the ruler of Rome, Nero (yes, there can be other beasts) the number of the beast was 666 "let the reader understand" was something Jews at that time that spoke Hebrew could easily figure out....

*take Nero's name, Nero Cæsar and transliterates the Latin into Hebrew. An "n" is added to conform with the Hebrew spelling and usage of Nero's name, in a manner similar to the Greek adding an "s" (i.e., Jeremias, Jonas, etc.). Other names in scripture where the adding of an "n" may be seen are Abaddon, Apollyon, and Armageddon. Once Hebraicized, the Latin Nero Caesar becomes "nrwn qsr," which when using the numeric equivalent of the letters, then adds up to 666 *

Which was a way for them to warn against Nero without saying writing his name and being killed for going against him.

Nero was killing and torturing Christians in mass at the time and even burring them alive to light his dinner parties. Real beastly stuff. Dude HATED Christians because the wouldn't confess "Caesar is Lord" You could either say Kristos Kurios or Kaiser Kurios (Lord Jesus or Lord Caesar) to chose life or death and many chose death.

Babylon was Jerusalem clearly. The "abomination of desolation" Jesus mentions (Matthew 24:15) is the desecration of the Temple and the destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman armies in AD 70 after the Jews rebelled. The Temple was completely destroyed by the Roman legions, and not one stone was left on another, as Jesus prophesied (verse 2).

As Matthew 24:21 says, this act inaugurates the time of Great Tribulation. At that time, the saints in Jerusalem are told to flee to the mountains for safety (Matthew 24:16; Luke 21:20-21). And if we look at the Histories of Josephus Roman armies DID surround the city and then LEFT for some reason, Christians fled to the mountains, and the armies came BACK. Spot on. Also from external sources there were signs in the sky, a comet hanging over the city like a sword, the sun was blotted out, darkness, and earthquakes as well as horrific accounts of streets running with blood, cannibalism and demonic activity. Real wrath of God stuff.

Jerusalem was destroyed, the temple so much so "not one stone was left upon another "just as foretold" All when and where it was supposed to happen..

The viewing of Revelation at a future destruction of the world is NOT what Christians have traditionally believed up until the publication and widespread use of The Scofield Reference Bible, the 1st Bible with footnotes explaining this fringe view of end times which popularized dispensationalism at the beginning of the 20th century. The greatest lie the devil ever told IMO.

Need I remind you God wins? Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father making all His enemies His footstool. (God's fav Bible verse that appears more times in scripture than any other) When Jesus returns it will be final judgment. That's it. Game over. Those that are in Christ will be left and those that are outside of Christ will be destroyed..... " As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man" and we can clearly see the Ark was symbolic of Christ (one door and Jesus called Himself the door, those in it were safe from God's judgment, and about a dozen other parallels) So here's the question.... in the days of Noah who was swept of the Earth? The wicked.

‘The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. So the servants of the owner came and said to him, “Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?” He said to them, “An enemy has done this.” The servants said to him, “Do you want us then to go and gather them up?” But he said, “No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and at [or during] the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, ‘First gather together tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.’ ” Matthew 13:24–30. NKJV.

The wheat is clearly Gods people and the tares are the wicked. Look at the order. Tares destroyed 1st, not after a tribulation.

Don't let a fringe idea that crept into the mainstream 200 years ago keep you from taking over every sphere of Earth, from Government to entertainment because you think you are gonna be raptured away. No one polishes brass on a sinking ship and the Devil knows this which is why he put this lie out.

Adam took something off a tree and sin entered the world and it decayed from the harmony of the garden. Jesus (the perfect Adam) was put on a tree (the cross) and the Gospel entered the world and it's being restored to the harmony of the garden.

Heres a playlist with some great sermons, discussions, explanations, and debates on this topic of Pre-millennial dispensationalism vs Post-millennialism (Fancy words for different views of eschatology / the study of end times)

I know this is new for alot of people but it's very much traditional and strongly supported by scripture and historical events, far more so than the leaps of logic you need to perform to support a secret rapture and upcoming tribulation. Just check it out and test it against scripture. I use to be a dispy like many of you. It's what I was taught and what I grew up with. It's hard to admit you and the people you looked up to and respected that taught you something were wrong. I get it. But my outlook and view of the future now is SOOOOOO much better and I see the world differently and see how God is working this all together for His glory.

Reformed guy here.... first let me say I do NOT support Catholicism, just truth. When you say "All the Reformers agreed that Catholicism was the beast" this is not true. Neither is this "Catholicism since that is the beast of Revelation"

Simple question: If Catholicism was the beast why were they trying to reform it?

Reformers did NOT agree to what you are claiming and they certainly didn't hold to your position that Revelation was about something in the FUTURE and not the destruction and localized judgment of Jerusalem in 70AD which already happened just like Jesus said it would "This generation shall not pass till all these things take place"

The beast of Revelation was the ruler of Rome, Nero (yes, there can be other beasts) the number of the beast was 666 "let the reader understand" was something Jews at that time that spoke Hebrew could easily figure out....

*take Nero's name, Nero Cæsar and transliterates the Latin into Hebrew. An "n" is added to conform with the Hebrew spelling and usage of Nero's name, in a manner similar to the Greek adding an "s" (i.e., Jeremias, Jonas, etc.). Other names in scripture where the adding of an "n" may be seen are Abaddon, Apollyon, and Armageddon. Once Hebraicized, the Latin Nero Caesar becomes "nrwn qsr," which when using the numeric equivalent of the letters, then adds up to 666 *

Which was a way for them to warn against Nero without saying writing his name and being killed for going against .

Nero was killing and torturing Christians in mass at the time and even burring them alive to light his dinner parties.

Babylon was Jerusalem clearly. The "abomination of desolation" Jesus mentions (Matthew 24:15) is the desecration of the Temple and the destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman armies in AD 70 after the Jews rebelled. The Temple was completely destroyed by the Roman legions, and not one stone was left on another, as Jesus prophesied (verse 2).

As Matthew 24:21 says, this act inaugurates the time of Great Tribulation. At that time, the saints in Jerusalem are told to flee to the mountains for safety (Matthew 24:16; Luke 21:20-21). And if we look at the Histories of Josephus Roman armies DID surround the city and then LEFT for some reason, Christians fled to the mountains, and the armies came BACK. Spot on. Also from external sources there were signs in the sky, a comet hanging over the city like a sword, the sun was blotted out, darkness, and earthquakes as well as horrific accounts of streets running with blood, cannibalism and demonic activity. Real wrath of God stuff.

Jerusalem was destroyed, the temple so much so "not one stone was left upon another "just as foretold" All when and where it was supposed to happen..

The viewing of Revelation at a future destruction of the world is NOT what Christians have traditionally believed up until the publication and widespread use of The Scofield Reference Bible, the 1st Bible with footnotes explaining this fringe view of end times which popularized dispensationalism at the beginning of the 20th century. The greatest lie the devil ever told IMO.

Need I remind you God wins? Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father making all His enemies His footstool. (God's fav Bible verse that appears more times in scripture than any other) When Jesus returns it will be final judgment. That's it. Game over. Those that are in Christ will be left and those that are outside of Christ will be destroyed..... " As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man" and we can clearly see the Ark was symbolic of Christ (one door and Jesus called Himself the door, those in it were safe from God's judgment, and about a dozen other parallels) So here's the question.... in the days of Noah who was swept of the Earth? The wicked.

‘The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. So the servants of the owner came and said to him, “Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?” He said to them, “An enemy has done this.” The servants said to him, “Do you want us then to go and gather them up?” But he said, “No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and at [or during] the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, ‘First gather together tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.’ ” Matthew 13:24–30. NKJV.

The wheat is clearly Gods people and the tares are the wicked. Look at the order. Tares destroyed 1st, not after a tribulation.

Don't let a fringe idea that crept into the mainstream 200 years ago keep you from taking over every sphere of Earth, from Government to entertainment because you think you are gonna be raptured away. No one polishes brass on a sinking ship and the Devil knows this which is why he put this lie out.

Adam took something off a tree and sin entered the world and it decayed from the harmony of the garden. Jesus (the perfect Adam) was put on a tree (the cross) and the Gospel entered the world and it's being restored to the harmony of the garden.

Heres a playlist with some great sermons, discussions, explanations, and debates on this topic of Pre-millennial dispensationalism vs Post-millennialism (Fancy words for different views of eschatology / the study of end times)

I know this is new for alot of people but it's very much traditional and strongly supported by scripture and historical events, far more so than the leaps of logic you need to perform to support a secret rapture and upcoming tribulation. Just check it out and test it against scripture. I use to be a dispy like many of you. It's what I was taught and what I grew up with. It's hard to admit you and the people you looked up to and respected that taught you something were wrong. I get it. But my outlook and view of the future now is SOOOOOO much better and I see the world differently and see how God is working this all together for His glory.