I don't think AZ needs to experience this to 'show' anybody anything new - it's already happened in California with Newsom defeating the recall vote with that whole shady operation. People are leaving California in droves, beautiful SF is ruined, the water wars, etc. I think even a large proportion of Dems are converted now. We truly are fighting the 'entrenched' DS who remain in power positions.

Edit: the same arguments go for NYC - already ruined. The 'people' are already convinced of the problems - the problems still exist though in those in the power offices who can 'write the rules'. Until that changes (via lawsuits and 'honest' elections), expect more of the same. Look at DeSantis - there was so much pent up frustration by the people in Fla that DeSantis could just change the color of the blinds in his office and people think he's the second coming. I think he's doing a good job right now but the point is that the 'people' Dems and Reps , I feel, are ready for change.

I don't think AZ needs to experience this to 'show' anybody anything new - it's already happened in California with Newsom defeating the recall vote with that whole shady operation. People are leaving California in droves, beautiful SF is ruined, the water wars, etc. I think even a large proportion of Dems are converted now. We truly are fighting the 'entrenched' DS who remain in power positions.