Why is this stickied? Yes, it's my own post. But, y'all have seen us mods post many high-effort posts from our top frogs over the past weeks. This is no different. Here goes.

Guys, a question for the community, here. I really want to get your feedback on something because I think we really, REALLY need to have a chat about some of the absurd things that so flippantly get said around here and that don't get challenged. Just as we do with our narrative-busting prowess (you guys are literally amazing), we need to ensure that many of the more conspiracy lunatic "dogshit" theories don't get bandied about so much that they pretty much slip into being "factual" without ever getting challenged.

A case in point is the theory that somehow the government is using the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) to cause earthquakes around the world by bouncing energy off the ionosphere. This theory suggests that HAARP can manipulate the ionosphere, causing it to release energy in the form of an earthquake elsewhere on the planet. However, there is no credible scientific research that supports this claim. That's not how HAARP started, or what it was used for. It was originally a project trying to communicate with deeply submerged submarines. That's it. That's how it started.

OK, so, "the government lies about everything," yeah, sure, but, the theory still can be examined scientifically. In order to understand the feasibility of this theory, we need to consider the technological steps involved. The first step would be to generate a high-frequency electromagnetic field capable of reaching the ionosphere. This field would then have to be focused in a specific location in order to cause the ionosphere to release energy in the form of an earthquake. There are currently no known technologies capable of generating such a high-frequency electromagnetic field with sufficient strength and precision to cause an earthquake. Is the assumption that this "beam" is not detectable by any other countries? And does only the USA have this, or can Russia, China, etc., also start their own HAARP programs, and start sending earthquakes our way?

Lastly, we have to try to appreciate just how much energy is released in an earthquake. Turkey experienced (roughly) two identical earthqukes that were 7.7 on the Richter scale. To put the energy budget into perspective, the Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever detonated, had a yield of 50 megatons of TNT (MT). This is equivalent to 50 million tons of TNT. However, earthquake that resulted from that explosion only reached 4.5 on the Richter scale.

In comparison, the earthquake in Turkey in 2011 was 7.7 on the Richter scale, making it nearly 70 times larger than the largest recorded earthquake from the Tsar Bomba. On that scale, the energy released by a magnitude 7.7 earthquake is estimated to be over 6,000 times greater than that of a magnitude 4.5 earthquake. To calculate the difference in energy, one can use the formula: Energy (in joules) = 10^(1.5 * (magnitude difference + 4.4)) where magnitude difference is the difference in magnitude between the two earthquakes. In this case, the magnitude difference between a magnitude 7.7 and 4.5 earthquake is 7.7 - 4.5 = 3.2, so the energy difference would be 10^(1.5 * (3.2 + 4.4)) = 10^(1.5 * 7.6) = 10^11.4 = 3.98 x 10^11 joules. This means that the energy released by a magnitude 7.7 earthquake is approximately 4 x 10^11 joules, which is over 6,000 times greater than that released by a magnitude 4.5 earthquake.

In other words, the TWO Turkey earthquakes both released more energy than 6,000 "Tsar Bombas." That's insane. I don't care WHAT theory you believe. If you cannot account for this energy budget, then you're 100% a fucking faggot.

So, we're to believe that HAARP somehow automagically transmitted a focused beam with the energy equivalent of 600,000 megatons of TNT across the planet to Turkey? And then sent that same amount of energy there again, resulting in a 7.7 Richter scale aftershock, THE NEXT DAY?? And that the entire operation was undetectable by everyone else on the planet (no warming the ionosphere, the beam was discrete and undetectable??). This is so ludicrous, I don't even know where to begin.

This is an absolutely MASSIVE energy budget, and, when spouting this potentially ridiculous theory, we need to at least have a basic understanding of what our 'conspiracy accusation' (that the gov't is sending earthquakes to other countries) requires to even remotely resemble a defensible theory!

This is literally ridiculous. But now this theory gets said casually as if it's a fact. So, to summarize, tell us again, how does it work?

• HAARP sends an absolutely massive energy beam to the ionosphere. The beam can't be seen, felt, or detected or proven to exist by anyone.

• The beam is somehow bounced off the ionosphere and the accurately focused on a specific point on earth. The beam leaves no detectable traces of its passage through the atmosphere, it interacts with the ionosphere in a 100% stealth way, detectable to no one, and it arrives and penetrates the ground in the target area, also completely stealth and undetectable

• The ground absorbs the massive amounts of energy (over 600,000 megatons worth, PER 7.6 earthquake) and then, BAM! Earthquake

• NATO member Turkey has no choice but to deal with (what will probably end up as) over 20,000 dead, and 50,000 injured, and yet, somehow, us 'conspiracy theorists' know it was a "government inside job" and yet Turkey doesn't say that, they don't protest the USA's actions, they don't take proof to the UN Security Council, they remain in NATO, they just go and clean up all the cities and say, "Whelp, looks like we got punked by the HAARP machine! Oh well!"

Honestly? Am I missing something? How do we even tolerate this, here, on an elite research board like GAW?? OK, so they say that HAARP sends "resonance waves." Great, OK, let's see some videos about how that works. Each step of this process, even if it is secret, should be able to be examined and confirmed to at least a believable level of confidence before proceeding. Can basic HAARP principles be seen in a lab? What do you think? I just feel we need to do better on shit like this!\

Why is this stickied? Yes, it's my own post. But, y'all have seen us mods post many high-effort posts from our top frogs over the past weeks. This is no different. Here goes.

Guys, a question for the community, here. I really want to get your feedback on something because I think we really, REALLY need to have a chat about some of the absurd things that so flippantly get said around here and that don't get challenged. Just as we do with our narrative-busting prowess (you guys are literally amazing), we need to ensure that many of the more conspiracy lunatic "dogshit" theories don't get bandied about so much that they pretty much slip into being "factual" without ever getting challenged.

A case in point is the theory that somehow the government is using the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) to cause earthquakes around the world by bouncing energy off the ionosphere. This theory suggests that HAARP can manipulate the ionosphere, causing it to release energy in the form of an earthquake elsewhere on the planet. However, there is no credible scientific research that supports this claim. That's not how HAARP started, or what it was used for. It was originally a project trying to communicate with deeply submerged submarines. That's it. That's how it started.

OK, so, "the government lies about everything," yeah, sure, but, the theory still can be examined scientifically. In order to understand the feasibility of this theory, we need to consider the technological steps involved. The first step would be to generate a high-frequency electromagnetic field capable of reaching the ionosphere. This field would then have to be focused in a specific location in order to cause the ionosphere to release energy in the form of an earthquake. There are currently no known technologies capable of generating such a high-frequency electromagnetic field with sufficient strength and precision to cause an earthquake. Is the assumption that this "beam" is not detectable by any other countries? And does only the USA have this, or can Russia, China, etc., also start their own HAARP programs, and start sending earthquakes our way?

Lastly, we have to try to appreciate just how much energy is released in an earthquake. Turkey experienced (roughly) two identical earthqukes that were 7.7 on the Richter scale. To put the energy budget into perspective, the Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever detonated, had a yield of 50 megatons of TNT (MT). This is equivalent to 50 million tons of TNT. However, earthquake that resulted from that explosion only reached 4.5 on the Richter scale.

In comparison, the earthquake in Turkey in 2011 was 7.7 on the Richter scale, making it nearly 70 times larger than the largest recorded earthquake from the Tsar Bomba. On that scale, the energy released by a magnitude 7.7 earthquake is estimated to be over 6,000 times greater than that of a magnitude 4.5 earthquake. To calculate the difference in energy, one can use the formula: Energy (in joules) = 10^(1.5 * (magnitude difference + 4.4)) where magnitude difference is the difference in magnitude between the two earthquakes. In this case, the magnitude difference between a magnitude 7.7 and 4.5 earthquake is 7.7 - 4.5 = 3.2, so the energy difference would be 10^(1.5 * (3.2 + 4.4)) = 10^(1.5 * 7.6) = 10^11.4 = 3.98 x 10^11 joules. This means that the energy released by a magnitude 7.7 earthquake is approximately 4 x 10^11 joules, which is over 6,000 times greater than that released by a magnitude 4.5 earthquake.

In other words, the TWO Turkey earthquakes both released more energy than 6,000 "Tsar Bombas." That's insane.

So, we're to believe that HAARP somehow automagically transmitted a focused beam with the energy equivalent of 600,000 megatons of TNT across the planet to Turkey? And then sent that same amount of energy there again, resulting in a 7.7 Richter scale aftershock, THE NEXT DAY?? And that the entire operation was undetectable by everyone else on the planet (no warming the ionosphere, the beam was discrete and undetectable??). This is so ludicrous, I don't even know where to begin.

This is an absolutely MASSIVE energy budget, and, when spouting this potentially ridiculous theory, we need to at least have a basic understanding of what our 'conspiracy accusation' (that the gov't is sending earthquakes to other countries) requires to even remotely resemble a defensible theory!

This is literally ridiculous. But now this theory gets said casually as if it's a fact. So, to summarize, tell us again, how does it work?

• HAARP sends an absolutely massive energy beam to the ionosphere. The beam can't be seen, felt, or detected or proven to exist by anyone.

• The beam is somehow bounced off the ionosphere and the accurately focused on a specific point on earth. The beam leaves no detectable traces of its passage through the atmosphere, it interacts with the ionosphere in a 100% stealth way, detectable to no one, and it arrives and penetrates the ground in the target area, also completely stealth and undetectable

• The ground absorbs the massive amounts of energy (over 600,000 megatons worth, PER 7.6 earthquake) and then, BAM! Earthquake

• NATO member Turkey has no choice but to deal with (what will probably end up as) over 20,000 dead, and 50,000 injured, and yet, somehow, us 'conspiracy theorists' know it was a "government inside job" and yet Turkey doesn't say that, they don't protest the USA's actions, they don't take proof to the UN Security Council, they remain in NATO, they just go and clean up all the cities and say, "Whelp, looks like we got punked by the HAARP machine! Oh well!"

Honestly? Am I missing something? How do we even tolerate this, here, on an elite research board like GAW?? OK, so they say that HAARP sends "resonance waves." Great, OK, let's see some videos about how that works. Each step of this process, even if it is secret, should be able to be examined and confirmed to at least a believable level of confidence before proceeding. Can basic HAARP principles be seen in a lab? What do you think? I just feel we need to do better on shit like this!

Guys, a question for the community, here. I really want to get your feedback on something because I think we really, REALLY need to have a chat about some of the absurd things that so flippantly get said around here and that don't get challenged. Just as we do with our narrative-busting prowess (you guys are literally amazing), we need to ensure that many of the more conspiracy lunatic "dogshit" theories don't get bandied about so much that they pretty much slip into being "factual" without ever getting challenged.

A case in point is the theory that somehow the government is using the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) to cause earthquakes around the world by bouncing energy off the ionosphere. This theory suggests that HAARP can manipulate the ionosphere, causing it to release energy in the form of an earthquake elsewhere on the planet. However, there is no credible scientific research that supports this claim. That's not how HAARP started, or what it was used for. It was originally a project trying to communicate with deeply submerged submarines. That's it. That's how it started.

OK, so, "the government lies about everything," yeah, sure, but, the theory still can be examined scientifically. In order to understand the feasibility of this theory, we need to consider the technological steps involved. The first step would be to generate a high-frequency electromagnetic field capable of reaching the ionosphere. This field would then have to be focused in a specific location in order to cause the ionosphere to release energy in the form of an earthquake. There are currently no known technologies capable of generating such a high-frequency electromagnetic field with sufficient strength and precision to cause an earthquake. Is the assumption that this "beam" is not detectable by any other countries? And does only the USA have this, or can Russia, China, etc., also start their own HAARP programs, and start sending earthquakes our way?

Lastly, we have to try to appreciate just how much energy is released in an earthquake. Turkey experienced (roughly) two identical earthqukes that were 7.7 on the Richter scale. To put the energy budget into perspective, the Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever detonated, had a yield of 50 megatons of TNT (MT). This is equivalent to 50 million tons of TNT. However, earthquake that resulted from that explosion only reached 4.5 on the Richter scale.

In comparison, the earthquake in Turkey in 2011 was 7.7 on the Richter scale, making it nearly 70 times larger than the largest recorded earthquake from the Tsar Bomba. On that scale, the energy released by a magnitude 7.7 earthquake is estimated to be over 6,000 times greater than that of a magnitude 4.5 earthquake. To calculate the difference in energy, one can use the formula: Energy (in joules) = 10^(1.5 * (magnitude difference + 4.4)) where magnitude difference is the difference in magnitude between the two earthquakes. In this case, the magnitude difference between a magnitude 7.7 and 4.5 earthquake is 7.7 - 4.5 = 3.2, so the energy difference would be 10^(1.5 * (3.2 + 4.4)) = 10^(1.5 * 7.6) = 10^11.4 = 3.98 x 10^11 joules. This means that the energy released by a magnitude 7.7 earthquake is approximately 4 x 10^11 joules, which is over 6,000 times greater than that released by a magnitude 4.5 earthquake.

In other words, the TWO Turkey earthquakes both released more energy than 6,000 "Tsar Bombas." That's insane.

So, we're to believe that HAARP somehow automagically transmitted a focused beam with the energy equivalent of 600,000 megatons of TNT across the planet to Turkey? And then sent that same amount of energy there again, resulting in a 7.7 Richter scale aftershock, THE NEXT DAY?? And that the entire operation was undetectable by everyone else on the planet (no warming the ionosphere, the beam was discrete and undetectable??). This is so ludicrous, I don't even know where to begin.

This is an absolutely MASSIVE energy budget, and, when spouting this potentially ridiculous theory, we need to at least have a basic understanding of what our 'conspiracy accusation' (that the gov't is sending earthquakes to other countries) requires to even remotely resemble a defensible theory!

This is literally ridiculous. But now this theory gets said casually as if it's a fact. So, to summarize, tell us again, how does it work?

• HAARP sends an absolutely massive energy beam to the ionosphere. The beam can't be seen, felt, or detected or proven to exist by anyone.

• The beam is somehow bounced off the ionosphere and the accurately focused on a specific point on earth. The beam leaves no detectable traces of its passage through the atmosphere, it interacts with the ionosphere in a 100% stealth way, detectable to no one, and it arrives and penetrates the ground in the target area, also completely stealth and undetectable

• The ground absorbs the massive amounts of energy (over 600,000 megatons worth, PER 7.6 earthquake) and then, BAM! Earthquake

• NATO member Turkey has no choice but to deal with (what will probably end up as) over 20,000 dead, and 50,000 injured, and yet, somehow, us 'conspiracy theorists' know it was a "government inside job" and yet Turkey doesn't say that, they don't protest the USA's actions, they don't take proof to the UN Security Council, they remain in NATO, they just go and clean up all the cities and say, "Whelp, looks like we got punked by the HAARP machine! Oh well!"

Honestly? Am I missing something? How do we even tolerate this, here, on an elite research board like GAW?? OK, so they say that HAARP sends "resonance waves." Great, OK, let's see some videos about how that works. Each step of this process, even if it is secret, should be able to be examined and confirmed to at least a believable level of confidence before proceeding. Can basic HAARP principles be seen in a lab? What do you think? I just feel we need to do better on shit like this!

Guys, a question for the community, here. I really want to get your feedback on something because I think we really, REALLY need to have a chat about some of the absurd things that so flippantly get said around here and that don't get challenged. Just as we do with our narrative-busting prowess (you guys are literally amazing), we need to ensure that many of the more conspiracy lunatic "dogshit" theories don't get bandied about so much that they pretty much slip into being "factual" without ever getting challenged.

A case in point is the theory that somehow the government is using the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) to cause earthquakes around the world by bouncing energy off the ionosphere. This theory suggests that HAARP can manipulate the ionosphere, causing it to release energy in the form of an earthquake elsewhere on the planet. However, there is no credible scientific research that supports this claim. That's not how HAARP started, or what it was used for. It was originally a project trying to communicate with deeply submerged submarines. That's it. That's how it started.

OK, so, "the government lies about everything," yeah, sure, but, the theory still can be examined scientifically. In order to understand the feasibility of this theory, we need to consider the technological steps involved. The first step would be to generate a high-frequency electromagnetic field capable of reaching the ionosphere. This field would then have to be focused in a specific location in order to cause the ionosphere to release energy in the form of an earthquake. There are currently no known technologies capable of generating such a high-frequency electromagnetic field with sufficient strength and precision to cause an earthquake. Is the assumption that this "beam" is not detectable by any other countries? And does only the USA have this, or can Russia, China, etc., also start their own HAARP programs, and start sending earthquakes our way?

Lastly, we have to try to appreciate just how much energy is released in an earthquake. Turkey experienced (roughly) two identical earthqukes that were 7.7 on the Richter scale. To put the energy budget into perspective, the Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever detonated, had a yield of 50 megatons of TNT (MT). This is equivalent to 50 million tons of TNT. However, earthquake that resulted from that explosion only reached 4.5 on the Richter scale.

In comparison, the earthquake in Turkey in 2011 was 7.7 on the Richter scale, making it nearly 70 times larger than the largest recorded earthquake from the Tsar Bomba. On that scale, the energy released by a magnitude 7.7 earthquake is estimated to be over 6,000 times greater than that of a magnitude 4.5 earthquake. To calculate the difference in energy, one can use the formula: Energy (in joules) = 10^(1.5 * (magnitude difference + 4.4)) where magnitude difference is the difference in magnitude between the two earthquakes. In this case, the magnitude difference between a magnitude 7.7 and 4.5 earthquake is 7.7 - 4.5 = 3.2, so the energy difference would be 10^(1.5 * (3.2 + 4.4)) = 10^(1.5 * 7.6) = 10^11.4 = 3.98 x 10^11 joules. This means that the energy released by a magnitude 7.7 earthquake is approximately 4 x 10^11 joules, which is over 6,000 times greater than that released by a magnitude 4.5 earthquake.

In other words, the TWO Turkey earthquakes both released more energy than 6,000 "Tsar Bombas." That's insane.

So, we're to believe that HAARP somehow transmitted a focused beam with the energy equivalent of 600,000 megatons of TNT? And that it was undetectable by everyone else on the planet (no warming the ionosphere, the beam was discrete and undetectable??). This is ludicrous. There is no evidence to suggest that any human-made technology is capable of releasing such a large amount of energy in a controlled manner.

This is an absolutely MASSIVE energy budget, and, when spouting this potentially ridiculous theory, we need to at least have a basic understanding of what our 'conspiracy accusation' (that the gov't is sending earthquakes to other countries) requires to even remotely resemble a defensible theory!

This is literally ridiculous. But now this theory gets said casually as if it's a fact. So, to summarize, tell us again, how does it work?

• HAARP sends an absolutely massive energy beam to the ionosphere. The beam can't be seen, felt, or detected or proven to exist by anyone.

• The beam is somehow bounced off the ionosphere and the accurately focused on a specific point on earth. The beam leaves no detectable traces of its passage through the atmosphere, it interacts with the ionosphere in a 100% stealth way, detectable to no one, and it arrives and penetrates the ground in the target area, also completely stealth and undetectable

• The ground absorbs the massive amounts of energy (over 600,000 megatons worth, PER 7.6 earthquake) and then, BAM! Earthquake

• NATO member Turkey has no choice but to deal with (what will probably end up as) over 20,000 dead, and 50,000 injured, and yet, somehow, us 'conspiracy theorists' know it was a "government inside job" and yet Turkey doesn't say that, they don't protest the USA's actions, they don't take proof to the UN Security Council, they remain in NATO, they just go and clean up all the cities and say, "Whelp, looks like we got punked by the HAARP machine! Oh well!"

Honestly? Am I missing something? How do we even tolerate this, here, on an elite research board like GAW?? OK, so they say that HAARP sends "resonance waves." Great, OK, let's see some videos about how that works. Each step of this process, even if it is secret, should be able to be examined and confirmed to at least a believable level of confidence before proceeding. Can basic HAARP principles be seen in a lab? What do you think? I just feel we need to do better on shit like this!

Guys, a question for the community, here. I really want to get your feedback on something because I think we really, REALLY need to have a chat about some of the absurd things that so flippantly get said around here and that don't get challenged. Just as we do with our narrative-busting prowess (you guys are literally amazing), we need to ensure that many of the more conspiracy lunatic "dogshit" theories don't get bandied about so much that they pretty much slip into being "factual" without ever getting challenged.

A case in point is the theory that somehow the government is using the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) to cause earthquakes around the world by bouncing energy off the ionosphere. This theory suggests that HAARP can manipulate the ionosphere, causing it to release energy in the form of an earthquake elsewhere on the planet. However, there is no credible scientific research that supports this claim. That's not how HAARP started, or what it was used for. It was originally a project trying to communicate with deeply submerged submarines. That's it. That's how it started.

OK, so, "the government lies about everything," yeah, sure, but, the theory still can be examined scientifically. In order to understand the feasibility of this theory, we need to consider the technological steps involved. The first step would be to generate a high-frequency electromagnetic field capable of reaching the ionosphere. This field would then have to be focused in a specific location in order to cause the ionosphere to release energy in the form of an earthquake. There are currently no known technologies capable of generating such a high-frequency electromagnetic field with sufficient strength and precision to cause an earthquake. Is the assumption that this "beam" is not detectable by any other countries? And does only the USA have this, or can Russia, China, etc., also start their own HAARP programs, and start sending earthquakes our way?

Lastly, we have to try to appreciate just how much energy is released in an earthquake. Turkey experienced (roughly) two identical earthqukes that were 7.7 on the Richter scale. To put the energy budget into perspective, the Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever detonated, had a yield of 50 megatons of TNT (MT). This is equivalent to 50 million tons of TNT. However, earthquake that resulted from that explosion only reached 4.5 on the Richter scale.

In comparison, the earthquake in Turkey in 2011 was 7.7 on the Richter scale, making it nearly 70 times larger than the largest recorded earthquake from the Tsar Bomba. The energy released by a magnitude 7.7 earthquake is estimated to be over 6,000 times greater than that of a magnitude 4.5 earthquake. To calculate the difference in energy, one can use the formula: Energy (in joules) = 10^(1.5 * (magnitude difference + 4.4)) where magnitude difference is the difference in magnitude between the two earthquakes. In this case, the magnitude difference between a magnitude 7.7 and 4.5 earthquake is 7.7 - 4.5 = 3.2, so the energy difference would be 10^(1.5 * (3.2 + 4.4)) = 10^(1.5 * 7.6) = 10^11.4 = 3.98 x 10^11 joules. This means that the energy released by a magnitude 7.7 earthquake is approximately 4 x 10^11 joules, which is over 6,000 times greater than that released by a magnitude 4.5 earthquake.

In other words, the TWO Turkey earthquakes both released more energy than 6,000 "Tsar Bombas." That's insane.

So, we're to believe that HAARP somehow transmitted a focused beam with the energy equivalent of 600,000 megatons of TNT? And that it was undetectable by everyone else on the planet (no warming the ionosphere, the beam was discrete and undetectable??). This is ludicrous. There is no evidence to suggest that any human-made technology is capable of releasing such a large amount of energy in a controlled manner.

This is an absolutely MASSIVE energy budget, and, when spouting this potentially ridiculous theory, we need to at least have a basic understanding of what our 'conspiracy accusation' (that the gov't is sending earthquakes to other countries) requires to even remotely resemble a defensible theory!

This is literally ridiculous. But now this theory gets said casually as if it's a fact. So, to summarize, tell us again, how does it work?

• HAARP sends an absolutely massive energy beam to the ionosphere. The beam can't be seen, felt, or detected or proven to exist by anyone.

• The beam is somehow bounced off the ionosphere and the accurately focused on a specific point on earth. The beam leaves no detectable traces of its passage through the atmosphere, it interacts with the ionosphere in a 100% stealth way, detectable to no one, and it arrives and penetrates the ground in the target area, also completely stealth and undetectable

• The ground absorbs the massive amounts of energy (over 600,000 megatons worth, PER 7.6 earthquake) and then, BAM! Earthquake

• NATO member Turkey has no choice but to deal with (what will probably end up as) over 20,000 dead, and 50,000 injured, and yet, somehow, us 'conspiracy theorists' know it was a "government inside job" and yet Turkey doesn't say that, they don't protest the USA's actions, they don't take proof to the UN Security Council, they remain in NATO, they just go and clean up all the cities and say, "Whelp, looks like we got punked by the HAARP machine! Oh well!"

Honestly? Am I missing something? How do we even tolerate this, here, on an elite research board like GAW?? OK, so they say that HAARP sends "resonance waves." Great, OK, let's see some videos about how that works. Each step of this process, even if it is secret, should be able to be examined and confirmed to at least a believable level of confidence before proceeding. Can basic HAARP principles be seen in a lab? What do you think? I just feel we need to do better on shit like this!