And you would know from example, correct? There are plenty of proofs, such as the fact that modern commerce and communication involves daily interaction with the reality of the global Earth. There are thousands of them...but you don't want to accept any of them.

Science can't be denied. Show me how these are scientifically proven and you (we) win. You can't use man-made mathematical models with assumptions built-in as "science" though.

Simple proof: the Earth is a continuous positively-curved surface that closes on itself and has no edge. Established by humans being everywhere on the surface of the Earth. Plus we have photos (taken before there was any CGI).

You and I aren't allowed to travel anywhere beyond the 60th parallel other than a single government-approved, paid-for $20K+ chaperoned trip to the tip of an island off of Antarctica. Nor are you allowed to go to, nor anywhere near the north pole.

Ever wonder why no so-called alleged "satellites". that we argue do not exist as described, never orbit north south over the so-called alleged poles? Where's all the satellite imagery of these so-called poles? You won't find anything other than CGI out there my friend. What do you think NASA does with their $80 million daily budget? They've got better technology than Hollyweird.

Meanwhile, we continue to send satellites into orbit and also people to go AROUND the Earth. Want to take the ride? You are living evidence that ignorance and arrogance go hand in hand.

Why end with ad-hominen, personal attacks? Why do all you globe-believers do this? You all have this in common and I don't understand why? You should be kind. We're being kind with all of you who continue to NOT LOOK INTO THIS FOR YOURSELF but rather bank on lies you've been taught. This is half the reason I started to side with the flat-earthers - because the globe-defenders act like ABSOLUTE DOUCHEBAGS almost without fail.

If you started off from the position; "I don't know what the shape of the earth is", you would quickly come to the correct conclusion. Your problem, like so many others, is that you keep referring to lies and deceptions that we have proven to be 100% LIES!!!!!. The list of lies is so long it's impossible to encapsulate. Briefly:

1. Newtonian gravity does not exist. There's no such thing. The "gravitational force" is an electrostatic phenomenon of ionic-electro forces seeking balance. Nobody has ever pointed to a "thing" called "gravity" - not a "particle", a "field", a "force", it's all nonsensical theory. So what is the "thing" that pulls objects back down to earth? Einsteinian gravity is a massive lie. If space is a "void", as the establishment says, then how can a THING* called "gravity" operate in this empty space?

2. All establishment theory around magnetism is completely wrong. They of course understand the "effect", as with gravity, but are so backwards on what magentism actually is. And learning what it is first requires a "de-education" from the establishment lie which we have no space for here.

3. Dark matter and dark energy were both INVENTED to account for the broken mathematical gravitational models. To think that 95% of the "known universe" is made up of UNIDENTIFIABLE matter and energy is a dead giveaway that we're awash in lies. Defending this is just further mental abstraction gymanstics.

4. Need I say anything about the zillions of lies about the moon landing?

5. All of Einstein's special/general relativity THEORY has proven to be false due to fraudulent assumptions built-into it which are demonstrably provable.

6. Quantum theory (Bohr) is also a provable deception

7. There is no such thing as a "photon". It's a theoretical construct once again, like gravity. There are no "light particles" hitting your eyes right now as you read this text. It's just so completely OBVIOUS once you stop and think about it.

8. There's no such thing as atoms-protons-electrons-neutrons as per the "atomic model". None of these "things" exist in reality. Instead, they are a useful MODEL OR REALITY for performing elemental/molecular interactions. The truth of the matter is, this is all happening due to SOUND, tonal vibrations balancing one another. Again, this is something that takes time and considerable study to wrap your mind around however.

And I'm just barely scratching the surface here. We can play games all day long about "observational" data. The globers make the fatal mistake of never even considering the flat model as a possibility. The FE community has done many examples and models around how certain observations would work on the flat earth model but the globers just refuse to agree it would be possible as such. This is a sign we're dealing with people of infantile psychology. They could say, "well, while I don't agree with the flat model, I see how my observations COULD WORK if it were". They can't even do that, because they're like little children who can't accept they won't get any candy at the grocery store when it comes to this subject.

Your provided examples are just proving my point, that you aren't THINKING ABOUT what you are saying. How do we arrive at all our "commerce and communication" processes in the world? Are they not built on GPS and magnetic declination INVENTIONS by man. If you deny that men could create a mathematical model that would represent a "globe earth", you're still naive to just how far the cabal has gone to deceive us.

There are no "photos" taken "before CGI". Have you ever watched the moon landing video with things in motion? It looks like a bad 1960s B-flick. I mean it's just laughable. It's totally indefensible. And for the record, I use "CGI" simply to mean "manipulated", just as I use the term "photoshop" to mean photo-manipulated. The famous 1972 "blue marble" photo was OBVIOUSLY manipulated and we know exactly how they did it - it's like photoshop 101 in today's world, but I'm sure it was tricky back in 1972.

Our satellites are BALLOONS. Why is NASA the world's largest consumer of helium....by a landslide? What would they need all that helium for exactly? The pictures you saw of the "Chinese spy balloon" is PRECISELY what our "satellites" actually are!!! If the orbiting satellite story was true, there would be dozens, even hundreds that would be providing live feeds, 24x7x365, offering MASSIVE opportunities for advertising revenue ta boot.

Denying all this basic evidence indicates you are simply in a state of DENIAL. There's no other explanation. You don't want to find out you've been fooled. Why don't you just admit that? This is where you're at.

I've seen people in your present condition a thousand times on dozens of different topics. I'm as close to an "expert" on this subject of denial as anybody it seems. I've come to learn that in order to even engage a discussion with somebody, the first question always needs to be; "Can you accept the possibility that you might have been lied to on this topic". If the answer is "no", there's literally nothing you can say, do or show - no facts, no proofs, no truths - that can sway the person as they remain trapped in their mental abstractions.

So this is where we're at. You can't even allow for the possibility that you've been deceived about the shape of the earth. So you're just wasting your time with me.

Provide your SCIENTIFIC PROOF, of which there should be HUNDREDS if the globe is true, and I'll change my mind in a hot second. Unlike you, I'm perfectly willing to change my mind with just one itty-bitty scientific proof. If you can't even do this, I'll let you ruminate on why that is. Should you be honest, you'll recognize that you'll be faced with considerable cognitive dissonance, as we all had to go through when we decided to investigate this topic and see what the "other side" had to say.

And you would know from example, correct? There are plenty of proofs, such as the fact that modern commerce and communication involves daily interaction with the reality of the global Earth. There are thousands of them...but you don't want to accept any of them.

Science can't be denied. Show me how these are scientifically proven and you (we) win. You can't use man-made mathematical models with assumptions built-in as "science" though.

Simple proof: the Earth is a continuous positively-curved surface that closes on itself and has no edge. Established by humans being everywhere on the surface of the Earth. Plus we have photos (taken before there was any CGI).

You and I aren't allowed to travel anywhere beyond the 60th parallel other than a single government-approved, paid-for $20K+ chaperoned trip to the tip of an island off of Antarctica. Nor are you allowed to go to, nor anywhere near the north pole.

Ever wonder why no so-called alleged "satellites". that we argue do not exist as described, never orbit north south over the so-called alleged poles? Where's all the satellite imagery of these so-called poles? You won't find anything other than CGI out there my friend. What do you think NASA does with their $80 million daily budget? They've got better technology than Hollyweird.

Meanwhile, we continue to send satellites into orbit and also people to go AROUND the Earth. Want to take the ride? You are living evidence that ignorance and arrogance go hand in hand.

Why end with ad-hominen, personal attacks? Why do all you globe-believers do this? You all have this in common and I don't understand why? You should be kind. We're being kind with all of you who continue to NOT LOOK INTO THIS FOR YOURSELF but rather bank on lies you've been taught. This is half the reason I started to side with the flat-earthers - because the globe-defenders act like ABSOLUTE DOUCHEBAGS almost without fail.

If you started off from the position; "I don't know what the shape of the earth is", you would quickly come to the correct conclusion. Your problem, like so many others, is that you keep referring to lies and deceptions that we have proven to be 100% LIES!!!!!. The list of lies is so long it's impossible to encapsulate. Briefly:

1. Gravity does not exist. There's no such thing. The "gravitational force" is an electrostatic phenomenon of ionic-electro forces seeking balance. Nobody has ever pointed to a "thing" called "gravity" - not a "particle", a "field", a "force", it's all nonsensical theory. So what is the "thing" that pulls objects back down to earth? Einsteinian gravity is a massive lie. If space is a "void", as the establishment says, then how can a THING* called "gravity" operate in this empty space?

2. All establishment theory around magnetism is completely wrong. They of course understand the "effect", as with gravity, but are so backwards on what magentism actually is. And learning what it is first requires a "de-education" from the establishment lie which we have no space for here.

3. Dark matter and dark energy were both INVENTED to account for the broken mathematical gravitational models. To think that 95% of the "known universe" is made up of UNIDENTIFIABLE matter and energy is a dead giveaway that we're awash in lies. Defending this is just further mental abstraction gymanstics.

4. Need I say anything about the zillions of lies about the moon landing?

5. All of Einstein's special/general relativity THEORY has proven to be false due to fraudulent assumptions built-into it which are demonstrably provable.

6. Quantum theory (Bohr) is also a provable deception

7. There is no such thing as a "photon". It's a theoretical construct once again, like gravity. There are no "light particles" hitting your eyes right now as you read this text. It's just so completely OBVIOUS once you stop and think about it.

8. There's no such thing as atoms-protons-electrons-neutrons as per the "atomic model". None of these "things" exist in reality. Instead, they are a useful MODEL OR REALITY for performing elemental/molecular interactions. The truth of the matter is, this is all happening due to SOUND, tonal vibrations balancing one another. Again, this is something that takes time and considerable study to wrap your mind around however.

And I'm just barely scratching the surface here. We can play games all day long about "observational" data. The globers make the fatal mistake of never even considering the flat model as a possibility. The FE community has done many examples and models around how certain observations would work on the flat earth model but the globers just refuse to agree it would be possible as such. This is a sign we're dealing with people of infantile psychology. They could say, "well, while I don't agree with the flat model, I see how my observations COULD WORK if it were". They can't even do that, because they're like little children who can't accept they won't get any candy at the grocery store when it comes to this subject.

Your provided examples are just proving my point, that you aren't THINKING ABOUT what you are saying. How do we arrive at all our "commerce and communication" processes in the world? Are they not built on GPS and magnetic declination INVENTIONS by man. If you deny that men could create a mathematical model that would represent a "globe earth", you're still naive to just how far the cabal has gone to deceive us.

There are no "photos" taken "before CGI". Have you ever watched the moon landing video with things in motion? It looks like a bad 1960s B-flick. I mean it's just laughable. It's totally indefensible. And for the record, I use "CGI" simply to mean "manipulated", just as I use the term "photoshop" to mean photo-manipulated. The famous 1972 "blue marble" photo was OBVIOUSLY manipulated and we know exactly how they did it - it's like photoshop 101 in today's world, but I'm sure it was tricky back in 1972.

Our satellites are BALLOONS. Why is NASA the world's largest consumer of helium....by a landslide? What would they need all that helium for exactly? The pictures you saw of the "Chinese spy balloon" is PRECISELY what our "satellites" actually are!!! If the orbiting satellite story was true, there would be dozens, even hundreds that would be providing live feeds, 24x7x365, offering MASSIVE opportunities for advertising revenue ta boot.

Denying all this basic evidence indicates you are simply in a state of DENIAL. There's no other explanation. You don't want to find out you've been fooled. Why don't you just admit that? This is where you're at.

I've seen people in your present condition a thousand times on dozens of different topics. I'm as close to an "expert" on this subject of denial as anybody it seems. I've come to learn that in order to even engage a discussion with somebody, the first question always needs to be; "Can you accept the possibility that you might have been lied to on this topic". If the answer is "no", there's literally nothing you can say, do or show - no facts, no proofs, no truths - that can sway the person as they remain trapped in their mental abstractions.

So this is where we're at. You can't even allow for the possibility that you've been deceived about the shape of the earth. So you're just wasting your time with me.

Provide your SCIENTIFIC PROOF, of which there should be HUNDREDS if the globe is true, and I'll change my mind in a hot second. Unlike you, I'm perfectly willing to change my mind with just one itty-bitty scientific proof. If you can't even do this, I'll let you ruminate on why that is. Should you be honest, you'll recognize that you'll be faced with considerable cognitive dissonance, as we all had to go through when we decided to investigate this topic and see what the "other side" had to say.