Two burning tires can definitely burn up a car

I didn't suggest that a burning tire couldn't ignite the other material in a car (plastic, foam, etc.). I said it couldn't melt aluminum. Of course if you can contain the heat in a confined area (kiln e.g.) you can do a lot more than if the thermal energy has a larger environment to interact with. But I explicitly stated that the conditions for the suspected car fires were not conditions that would melt aluminum, much less glass.

All of the evidence you have presented has been under completely different conditions than that in all of the fires which are suspected of being caused by DEWs. No one is saying a fire can't melt aluminum. What people are saying is that if a fire is hot enough, and sustained enough to melt aluminum, it's going to do a whole lot more damage to the immediate surroundings than it is.

In the paper you presented on cars burning in a car park, the car park was an enclosed environment and it still didn't melt the aluminum wheels, much less the glass. The reason it didn't melt the aluminum wheels is because the heat had somewhere else to go. You need insulation to contain the heat, or the entire surrounding environment needs to be hot enough that the immediate environment is effectively insulated because the boundary of the thermal energy release is sufficiently far away.

Heat is constantly moving, usually quite quickly, out of any local environment. In order to melt aluminum, not only does it need to absorb enough total heat (BTUs), it needs to retain it until it meets a threshold. But aluminum is an excellent thermal conductor. So is the ground. It is going to send that heat energy directly away from itself. It is not going to melt from a tire fire. It can only melt if it is in an actual oven, which means the air and the ground are near the melting point of aluminum. Otherwise it will happily give off it's heat to the air and the ground.

The real question is, what was the thermal input that caused the tires to be exposed to 750 F for 15 minutes?

The real question is how was the local environment so hot that the aluminum wasn't able to dissipate enough heat that it melted. It takes an oven. Any oven hot enough to melt aluminum is going to wreck havoc on the local environment. There has to be tons of spent fuel immediately surrounding melted aluminum. In all cases there was not.

How do we know this car caught on fire in that spot?

I do not think that this is a meaningful question. Your speculation after is ludicrous however. This was not the only car, it was one off dozens that I saw, many parked. Some parked next to green trees. Others parked in empty parking lots (like this one). And this is not the only fire where this happened. Several CA fires had similar occurrences. Fires in Greece, same thing.

When you plug "fire melts aluminum wheels" into google you will get all sorts of hits. When you restrict the date range to before 2010 you don't get any results. As far as I can find, there were zero instances of car wheels melting in normal fires before a few years ago. Now they are all over the place. (I don't know the year it changed, I picked 2010 because it was a date before 2012 and Obama's NDAA rewrite, which allows the government to spread propaganda through news agencies).

There are cars on fire on every highway every day

And none of them have their aluminum wheels melt. Car fires just can't burn hot enough. Not even in an enclosed environment (like your carpark example previously). They must be totally enclosed in an insulated oven to melt aluminum.

I'm not saying it's impossible to melt aluminum wheels in a normal fire. If it is big enough that the heat can't dissipate away fast enough then it can absolutely happen, and there is evidence of melted aluminum in some of the fires from my 2010 search, but the examples were in environments of total destruction with tons of fuel immediately around it. It wasn't in areas where there were trees standing green and tall ten feet away. It wasn't in areas where there was no other fuel source. It was strictly in areas where miles and miles around it was all burning, thus the local environment was so hot that the heat had no where to go.

I don't think it takes lasers.

You have yet to provide any argument or evidence which suggests an alternative. In each case of your argument so far you are not appreciating how quickly heat dissipates, i.e. you are mislabeling the boundary conditions. Especially between the aluminum and the ground.

Two burning tires can definitely burn up a car

I didn't suggest that a burning tire couldn't ignite the other material in a car (plastic, foam, etc.). I said it couldn't melt aluminum. Of course if you can contain the heat in a confined area (kiln e.g.) you can do a lot more than if the thermal energy has a larger environment to interact with. But I explicitly stated that the conditions for the suspected car fires were not conditions that would melt aluminum, much less glass.

All of the evidence you have presented has been under completely different conditions than that in all of the fires which are suspected of being caused by DEWs. No one is saying a fire can't melt aluminum. What people are saying is that if a fire is hot enough, and sustained enough to melt aluminum, it's going to do a whole lot more damage to the immediate surroundings than it is.

In the paper you presented on cars burning in a car park, the car park was an enclosed environment and it still didn't melt the aluminum wheels, much less the glass. The reason it didn't melt the aluminum wheels is because the heat had somewhere else to go. You need insulation to contain the heat, or the entire surrounding environment needs to be hot enough that the immediate environment is effectively insulated because the boundary of the thermal energy release is sufficiently far away.

Heat is constantly moving, usually quite quickly, out of any local environment. In order to melt aluminum, not only does it need to absorb enough total heat (BTUs), it needs to retain it until it meets a threshold. But aluminum is an excellent thermal conductor. So is the ground. It is going to send that heat energy directly away from itself. It is not going to melt from a tire fire. It can only melt if it is in an actual oven, which means the air itself is past the melting point of aluminum. Otherwise it will happily give off it's heat to the air and the ground.

The real question is, what was the thermal input that caused the tires to be exposed to 750 F for 15 minutes?

The real question is how was the local environment so hot that the aluminum wasn't able to dissipate enough heat that it melted. It takes an oven. Any oven hot enough to melt aluminum is going to wreck havoc on the local environment. There has to be tons of spent fuel immediately surrounding melted aluminum. In all cases there was not.

How do we know this car caught on fire in that spot?

I do not think that this is a meaningful question. Your speculation after is ludicrous however. This was not the only car, it was one off dozens that I saw, many parked. Some parked next to green trees. Others parked in empty parking lots (like this one). And this is not the only fire where this happened. Several CA fires had similar occurrences. Fires in Greece, same thing.

When you plug "fire melts aluminum wheels" into google you will get all sorts of hits. When you restrict the date range to before 2010 you don't get any results. As far as I can find, there were zero instances of car wheels melting in normal fires before a few years ago. Now they are all over the place. (I don't know the year it changed, I picked 2010 because it was a date before 2012 and Obama's NDAA rewrite, which allows the government to spread propaganda through news agencies).

There are cars on fire on every highway every day

And none of them have their aluminum wheels melt. Car fires just can't burn hot enough. Not even in an enclosed environment (like your carpark example previously). They must be totally enclosed in an insulated oven to melt aluminum.

I'm not saying it's impossible to melt aluminum wheels in a normal fire. If it is big enough that the heat can't dissipate away fast enough then it can absolutely happen, and there is evidence of melted aluminum in some of the fires from my 2010 search, but the examples were in environments of total destruction with tons of fuel immediately around it. It wasn't in areas where there were trees standing green and tall ten feet away. It wasn't in areas where there was no other fuel source. It was strictly in areas where miles and miles around it was all burning, thus the local environment was so hot that the heat had no where to go.

I don't think it takes lasers.

You have yet to provide any argument or evidence which suggests an alternative. In each case of your argument so far you are not appreciating how quickly heat dissipates, i.e. you are mislabeling the boundary conditions. Especially between the aluminum and the ground.

Two burning tires can definitely burn up a car

I didn't suggest that a burning tire couldn't ignite the other material in a car (plastic, foam, etc.). I said it couldn't melt aluminum. Of course if you can contain the heat in a confined area (kiln e.g.) you can do a lot more than if the thermal energy has a larger environment to interact with. But I explicitly stated that the conditions for the suspected car fires were not conditions that would melt aluminum, much less glass.

All of the evidence you have presented has been under completely different conditions than that in all of the fires which are suspected of being caused by DEWs. No one is saying a fire can't melt aluminum. What people are saying is that if a fire is hot enough, and sustained enough to melt aluminum, it's going to do a whole lot more damage to the immediate surroundings than it is.

In the paper you presented on cars burning in a car park, the car park was an enclosed environment and it still didn't melt the aluminum wheels, much less the glass. The reason it didn't melt the aluminum wheels is because the heat had somewhere else to go. You need insulation to contain the heat, or the entire surrounding environment needs to be hot enough that the immediate environment is effectively insulated because the boundary of the thermal energy release is sufficiently far away.

Heat is constantly moving, usually quite quickly, out of any local environment. In order to melt aluminum, not only does it need to absorb enough total heat (BTUs), it needs to retain it until it meets a threshold. But aluminum is an excellent thermal conductor. So is the ground. It is going to send that heat energy directly away from itself. It is not going to melt from a tire fire. It can only melt if it is in an actual oven, which means the air itself is past the melting point of aluminum. Otherwise it will happily give off it's heat to the air and the ground.

The real question is, what was the thermal input that caused the tires to be exposed to 750 F for 15 minutes?

The real question is how was the local environment so hot that the aluminum wasn't able to dissipate enough heat that it melted. It takes an oven. Any oven hot enough to melt aluminum is going to wreck havoc on the local environment. There has to be tons of spent fuel immediately surrounding melted aluminum. In all cases there was not.

How do we know this car caught on fire in that spot?

I do not think that this is a meaningful question. Your speculation after is ludicrous however. This was not the only car, it was one off dozens that I saw, many parked. Some parked next to green trees. Others parked in empty parking lots (like this one). And this is not the only fire where this happened. Several CA fires had similar occurrences. Fires in Greece, same thing.

When you plug "fire melts aluminum wheels" into google you will get all sorts of hits. When you restrict the date range to before 2010 you don't get any results. As far as I can find, there were zero instances of car wheels melting in normal fires before a few years ago. Now they are all over the place. (I don't know the year it changed, I picked 2010 because it was a date before 2012 and Obama's NDAA rewrite, which allows the government to spread propaganda through news agencies).

There are cars on fire on every highway every day

And none of them have their aluminum wheels melt. Car fires just can't burn hot enough. Not even in an enclosed environment (like your carpark example previously). They must be totally enclosed in an insolated oven to melt aluminum.

I'm not saying it's impossible to melt aluminum wheels in a normal fire. If it is big enough that the heat can't dissipate away fast enough then it can absolutely happen, and there is evidence of melted aluminum in some of the fires from my 2010 search, but the examples were in environments of total destruction with tons of fuel immediately around it. It wasn't in areas where there were trees standing green and tall ten feet away. It wasn't in areas where there was no other fuel source. It was strictly in areas where miles and miles around it was all burning, thus the local environment was so hot that the heat had no where to go.

I don't think it takes lasers.

You have yet to provide any argument or evidence which suggests an alternative. In each case of your argument so far you are not appreciating how quickly heat dissipates, i.e. you are mislabeling the boundary conditions. Especially between the aluminum and the ground.

Two burning tires can definitely burn up a car

I didn't suggest that a burning tire couldn't ignite the other material in a car (plastic, foam, etc.). I said it couldn't melt aluminum. Of course if you can contain the heat in a confined area (kiln e.g.) you can do a lot more than if the thermal energy has a larger environment to interact with. But I explicitly stated that the conditions for the suspected car fires were not conditions that would melt aluminum, much less glass.

All of the evidence you have presented has been under completely different conditions than that in all of the fires which are suspected of being caused by DEWs. No one is saying a fire can't melt aluminum. What people are saying is that if a fire is hot enough, and sustained enough to melt aluminum, it's going to do a whole lot more damage to the immediate surroundings than it is.

In the paper you presented on cars burning in a car park, the car park was an enclosed environment and it still didn't melt the aluminum wheels, much less the glass. The reason it didn't melt the aluminum wheels is because the heat had somewhere else to go. You need insulation to contain the heat, or the entire surrounding environment needs to be hot enough that the immediate environment is effectively insulated because the boundary of the thermal energy release is sufficiently far away.

Heat is constantly moving, usually quite quickly, out of any local environment. In order to melt aluminum, not only does it need to absorb enough total heat (BTUs), it needs to retain it until it meets a threshold. But aluminum is an excellent thermal conductor. So is the ground. It is going to send that heat energy directly away from itself. It is not going to melt from a tire fire. It can only melt if it is in an actual oven, which means the air itself is past the melting point of aluminum. Otherwise it will happily give off it's heat to the air and the ground.

The real question is, what was the thermal input that caused the tires to be exposed to 750 F for 15 minutes?

The real question is how was the local environment so hot that the aluminum wasn't able to dissipate enough heat that it melted. It takes an oven. Any oven hot enough to melt aluminum is going to wreck havoc on the local environment. There has to be tons of spent fuel immediately surrounding melted aluminum. In all cases there was not.

How do we know this car caught on fire in that spot?

I disagree that this is the most important question. Your speculation after is ludicrous however. This was not the only car, it was one off dozens that I saw, many parked. Some parked next to green trees. Others parked in empty parking lots (like this one). And this is not the only fire where this happened. Several CA fires had similar occurrences. Fires in Greece, same thing.

When you plug "fire melts aluminum wheels" into google you will get all sorts of hits. When you restrict the date range to before 2010 you don't get any results. As far as I can find, there were zero instances of car wheels melting in normal fires before a few years ago. Now they are all over the place. (I don't know the year it changed, I picked 2010 because it was a date before 2012 and Obama's NDAA rewrite, which allows the government to spread propaganda through news agencies).

There are cars on fire on every highway every day

And none of them have their aluminum wheels melt. Car fires just can't burn hot enough. Not even in an enclosed environment (like your carpark example previously). They must be totally enclosed in an insolated oven to melt aluminum.

I'm not saying it's impossible to melt aluminum wheels in a normal fire. If it is big enough that the heat can't dissipate away fast enough then it can absolutely happen, and there is evidence of melted aluminum in some of the fires from my 2010 search, but the examples were in environments of total destruction with tons of fuel immediately around it. It wasn't in areas where there were trees standing green and tall ten feet away. It wasn't in areas where there was no other fuel source. It was strictly in areas where miles and miles around it was all burning, thus the local environment was so hot that the heat had no where to go.

I don't think it takes lasers.

You have yet to provide any argument or evidence which suggests an alternative. In each case of your argument so far you are not appreciating how quickly heat dissipates, i.e. you are mislabeling the boundary conditions. Especially between the aluminum and the ground.

Two burning tires can definitely burn up a car

I didn't suggest that a burning tire couldn't ignite the other material in a car (plastic, foam, etc.). I said it couldn't melt aluminum. Of course if you can contain the heat in a confined area (kiln e.g.) you can do a lot more than if the thermal energy has a larger environment to interact with. But I explicitly stated that the conditions for the suspected car fires were not conditions that would melt aluminum, much less glass.

All of the evidence you have presented has been under completely different conditions than that in all of the fires which are suspected of being caused by DEWs. No one is saying a fire can't melt aluminum. What people are saying is that if a fire is hot enough, and sustained enough to melt aluminum, it's going to do a whole lot more damage to the immediate surroundings than it is.

In the paper you presented on cars burning in a car park, the car park was an enclosed environment and it still didn't melt the aluminum wheels, much less the glass. The reason it didn't melt the aluminum wheels is because the heat had somewhere else to go. You need insulation to contain the heat, or the entire surrounding environment needs to be hot enough that the immediate environment is effectively insulated because the boundary of the thermal energy release is sufficiently far away.

Heat is constantly moving, usually quite quickly, out of any local environment. In order to melt aluminum, not only does it need to absorb enough total heat (BTUs), it needs to retain it until it meets a threshold. But aluminum is an excellent thermal conductor. So is the ground. It is going to send that heat energy directly away from itself. It is not going to melt from a tire fire. It can only melt if it is in an actual oven, which means the air itself is past the melting point of aluminum. Otherwise it will happily give off it's heat to the air and the ground.

The real question is, what was the thermal input that caused the tires to be exposed to 750 F for 15 minutes?

The real question is how was the local environment so hot that the aluminum wasn't able to dissipate enough heat that it melted. It takes an oven. Any oven hot enough to melt aluminum is going to wreck havoc on the local environment. There has to be tons of spent fuel immediately surrounding melted aluminum. In all cases there was not.

How do we know this car caught on fire in that spot?

I disagree that this is the most important question. Your speculation after is ludicrous however. This was not the only car, it was one off dozens that I saw, many parked. Some parked next to green trees. Others parked in empty parking lots (like this one). And this is not the only fire where this happened. Several CA fires had similar occurrences. Fires in Greece, same thing.

When you plug "fire melts aluminum wheels" into google you will get all sorts of hits. When you restrict the date range to before 2010 you don't get any results. As far as I can find, there were zero instances of car wheels melting in normal fires before a few years ago. Now they are all over the place. (I don't know the year it changed, I picked 2010 because it was a date before 2012 and Obama's NDAA rewrite, which allows the government to spread propaganda through news agencies).

There are cars on fire on every highway every day

And none of them have their aluminum wheels melt. Car fires just can't burn hot enough. Not even in an enclosed environment (like your carpark example previously). They must be totally enclosed in an insolated oven to melt aluminum.

I'm not saying it's impossible to melt aluminum wheels in a normal fire. If it is big enough that the heat can't dissipate away fast enough then it can absolutely happen, and there is evidence of melted aluminum in some of the fires from my 2010 search, but the examples were in environments of total destruction with tons of fuel immediately around it. It wasn't in areas where there were trees standing green and tall ten feet away. It wasn't in areas where there was no other fuel source. It was strictly in areas where miles and miles around it was all burning, thus the local environment was so hot that the heat had no where to go.

I don't think it takes lasers.

You have yet to provide any argument or evidence which suggests an alternative. In each case of your argument so far you are not appreciating how quickly heat dissipates, i.e. you are mislabeling the boundary conditions.

Two burning tires can definitely burn up a car

I didn't suggest that a burning tire couldn't ignite the other material in a car (plastic, foam, etc.). I said it couldn't melt aluminum. Of course if you can contain the heat in a confined area (kiln e.g.) you can do a lot more than if the thermal energy has a larger environment to interact with. But I explicitly stated that the conditions for the suspected car fires were not conditions that would melt aluminum, much less glass.

All of the evidence you have presented has been under completely different conditions than that in all of the fires which are suspected of being caused by DEWs. No one is saying a fire can't melt aluminum. What people are saying is that if a fire is hot enough, and sustained enough to melt aluminum, it's going to do a whole lot more damage to the immediate surroundings than it is.

In the paper you presented on cars burning in a car park, the car park was an enclosed environment and it still didn't melt the aluminum wheels, much less the glass. The reason it didn't melt the aluminum wheels is because the heat had somewhere else to go. You need insulation to contain the heat, or the entire surrounding environment needs to be hot enough that the immediate environment is effectively insulated because the boundary of the thermal energy release is sufficiently far away.

Heat is constantly moving, usually quite quickly, out of any local environment. In order to melt aluminum, not only does it need to absorb enough total heat (BTUs), it needs to retain it until it meets a threshold. But aluminum is an excellent thermal conductor. So is the ground. It is going to send that heat energy directly away from itself. It is not going to melt from a tire fire. It can only melt if it is in an actual oven, which means the air itself is past the melting point of aluminum. Otherwise it will happily give off it's heat to the air and the ground.

The real question is, what was the thermal input that caused the tires to be exposed to 750 F for 15 minutes?

The real question is how was the local environment so hot that the aluminum wasn't able to dissipate enough heat that it melted. It takes an oven. Any oven hot enough to melt aluminum is going to wreck havoc on the local environment. There has to be tons of spent fuel immediately surrounding melted aluminum. In all cases there was not.

How do we know this car caught on fire in that spot?

I disagree that this is the most important question. Your speculation after is ludicrous however. This was not the only car, it was one off dozens that I saw, many parked. Some parked next to green trees. Others parked in empty parking lots (like this one). And this is not the only fire where this happened. Several CA fires had similar occurrences. Fires in Greece, same thing.

When you plug "fire melts aluminum wheels" into google you will get all sorts of hits. When you restrict the date range to before 2010 you don't get any results. As far as I can find, there were zero instances of car wheels melting in normal fires before a few years ago. Now they are all over the place. (I don't know the year it changed, I picked 2010 because it was a date before 2012 and Obama's NDAA rewrite, which allows the government to spread propaganda through news agencies).

There are cars on fire on every highway every day

And none of them have their aluminum wheels melt. Car fires just can't burn hot enough. Not even in an enclosed environment (like your carpark example previously). They must be totally enclosed in an insolated oven to melt aluminum.

I'm not saying it's impossible to melt aluminum wheels in a normal fire. If it is big enough that the heat can't dissipate away fast enough then it can absolutely happen, and there is evidence of melted aluminum in some of the fires from my 2010 search, but the examples were in environments of total destruction with tons of fuel immediately around it. It wasn't in areas where there were trees standing green and tall ten feet away. It wasn't in areas where there was no other fuel source. It was strictly in areas where miles and miles around it was all burning, thus the local environment was so hot that the heat had no where to go.

I don't think it takes lasers.

You have yet to provide any argument or evidence which suggests an alternative. In each case of you argument you are not appreciating how quickly heat dissipates, i.e. you are mislabeling the boundary conditions.

Two burning tires can definitely burn up a car

I didn't suggest that a burning tire couldn't ignite the other material in a car (plastic, foam, etc.). I said it couldn't melt aluminum. Of course if you can contain the heat in a confined area (kiln e.g.) you can do a lot more than if the thermal energy has a larger environment to interact with. But I explicitly stated that the conditions for the suspected car fires were not conditions that would melt aluminum, much less glass.

All of the evidence you have presented has been under completely different conditions than that in all of the fires which are suspected of being caused by DEWs. No one is saying a fire can't melt aluminum. What people are saying is that if a fire is hot enough, and sustained enough to melt aluminum, it's going to do a whole lot more damage to the immediate surroundings than it is.

In the paper you presented on cars burning in a car park, the car park was an enclosed environment and it still didn't melt the aluminum wheels, much less the glass. The reason it didn't melt the aluminum wheels is because the heat had somewhere else to go. You need insulation to contain the heat, or the entire surrounding environment needs to be hot enough that the immediate environment is effectively insulated because the boundary of the thermal energy release is sufficiently far away.

Heat is constantly moving, usually quite quickly, out of any local environment. In order to melt aluminum, not only does it need to absorb enough total heat (BTUs), it needs to retain it until it meets a threshold. But aluminum is an excellent thermal conductor. So is the ground. It is going to send that heat energy directly away from itself. It is not going to melt from a tire fire. It can only melt if it is in an actual oven, which means the air itself is past the melting point of aluminum. Otherwise it will happily give off it's heat to the air and the ground.

The real question is, what was the thermal input that caused the tires to be exposed to 750 F for 15 minutes?

The real question is how was the local environment so hot that the aluminum wasn't able to dissipate enough heat that it melted. It takes an oven. Any oven hot enough to melt aluminum is going to wreck havoc on the local environment. There has to be tons of spent fuel immediately surrounding melted aluminum. In all cases there was not.

How do we know this car caught on fire in that spot?

I disagree that this is the most important question. Your speculation after is ludicrous however. This was not the only car, it was one off dozens that I saw, many parked. Some parked next to green trees. Others parked in empty parking lots (like this one). And this is not the only fire where this happened. Several CA fires had similar occurrences. Fires in Greece, same thing.

When you plug "fire melts aluminum wheels" into google you will get all sorts of hits. When you restrict the date range to before 2010 you don't get any results. As far as I can find, there were zero instances of car wheels melting in normal fires before a few years ago. Now they are all over the place. (I don't know the year it changed, I picked 2010 because it was a date before 2012 and Obama's NDAA rewrite, which allows the government to spread propaganda through news agencies).

There are cars on fire on every highway every day

And none of them have their aluminum wheels melt. Car fires just can't burn hot enough. Not even in an enclosed environment (like your carpark example previously). They must be totally enclosed in an insolated oven to melt aluminum.

I'm not saying it's impossible to melt aluminum wheels in a normal fire. If it is big enough that the heat can't dissipate away fast enough then it can absolutely happen, and there is evidence of melted aluminum in some of the fires from my 2010 search, but the examples were in environments of total destruction. It wasn't in areas where there were trees standing green and tall ten feet away. It wasn't in areas where there was no other fuel source. It was strictly in areas where miles and miles around it was all burning, thus the local environment was so hot that the heat had no where to go.

I don't think it takes lasers.

You have yet to provide any argument or evidence which suggests an alternative. In each case of you argument you are not appreciating how quickly heat dissipates, i.e. you are mislabeling the boundary conditions.

Two burning tires can definitely burn up a car

I didn't suggest that a burning tire couldn't ignite the other material in a car (plastic, foam, etc.). I said it couldn't melt aluminum. Of course if you can contain the heat in a confined area (kiln e.g.) you can do a lot more than if the thermal energy has a larger environment to interact with. But I explicitly stated that the conditions for the suspected car fires were not conditions that would melt aluminum, much less glass.

All of the evidence you have presented has been under completely different conditions than that in all of the fires which are suspected of being caused by DEWs. No one is saying a fire can't melt aluminum. What people are saying is that if a fire is hot enough, and sustained enough to melt aluminum, it's going to do a whole lot more damage to the immediate surroundings than it is.

In the paper you presented on cars burning in a car park, the car park was an enclosed environment and it still didn't melt the aluminum wheels, much less the glass. The reason it didn't melt the aluminum wheels is because the heat had somewhere else to go. You need insulation to contain the heat, or the entire surrounding environment needs to be hot enough that the immediate environment is effectively insulated because the boundary of the thermal energy release is sufficiently far away.

Heat is constantly moving, usually quite quickly, out of any local environment. In order to melt aluminum, not only does it need to absorb enough total heat (BTUs), it needs to retain it until it meets a threshold. But aluminum is an excellent thermal conductor. So is the ground. It is going to send that heat energy directly away from itself. It is not going to melt from a tire fire. It can only melt if it is in an actual oven, which means the air itself is past the melting point of aluminum. Otherwise it will happily give off it's heat to the air and the ground.

The real question is, what was the thermal input that caused the tires to be exposed to 750 F for 15 minutes?

The real question is how was the local environment so hot that the aluminum wasn't able to dissipate enough heat that it melted. It takes an oven. Any oven hot enough to melt aluminum is going to wreck havoc on the local environment. There has to be tons of spent fuel immediately surrounding melted aluminum. In all cases there was not.

How do we know this car caught on fire in that spot?

That's not even a question worth asking, nor is your speculation after. This was not the only car, it was one off dozens that I saw, many parked. Some parked next to green trees. Others parked in empty parking lots (like this one). And this is not the only fire where this happened. Several CA fires had similar occurrences. Fires in Greece, same thing.

When you plug "fire melts aluminum wheels" into google you will get all sorts of hits. When you restrict the date range to before 2010 you don't get any results. As far as I can find, there were zero instances of car wheels melting in normal fires before a few years ago. Now they are all over the place. (I don't know the year it changed, I picked 2010 because it was a date before 2012 and Obama's NDAA rewrite, which allows the government to spread propaganda through news agencies).

There are cars on fire on every highway every day

And none of them have their aluminum wheels melt. Car fires just can't burn hot enough. Not even in an enclosed environment (like your carpark example previously). They must be totally enclosed in an insolated oven to melt aluminum.

I'm not saying it's impossible to melt aluminum wheels in a normal fire. If it is big enough that the heat can't dissipate away fast enough then it can absolutely happen, and there is evidence of melted aluminum in some of the fires from my 2010 search, but the examples were in environments of total destruction. It wasn't in areas where there were trees standing green and tall ten feet away. It wasn't in areas where there was no other fuel source. It was strictly in areas where miles and miles around it was all burning, thus the local environment was so hot that the heat had no where to go.

I don't think it takes lasers.

You have yet to provide any argument or evidence which suggests an alternative. In each case of you argument you are not appreciating how quickly heat dissipates, i.e. you are mislabeling the boundary conditions.

Two burning tires can definitely burn up a car

I didn't suggest that a burning tire couldn't ignite the other material in a car (plastic, foam, etc.). I said it couldn't melt aluminum. Of course if you can contain the heat in a confined area (kiln e.g.) you can do a lot more than if the thermal energy has a larger environment to interact with. But I explicitly stated that the conditions for the suspected car fires were not conditions that would melt aluminum, much less glass.

All of the evidence you have presented has been under completely different conditions than that in all of the fires which are suspected of being caused by DEWs. No one is saying a fire can't melt aluminum. What people are saying is that if a fire is hot enough, and sustained enough to melt aluminum, it's going to do a whole lot more damage to the immediate surroundings than it is.

In the paper you presented on cars burning in a car park, the car park was an enclosed environment and it still didn't melt the aluminum wheels, much less the glass. The reason it didn't melt the aluminum wheels is because the heat had somewhere else to go. You need insulation to contain the heat, or the entire surrounding environment needs to be hot enough that the immediate environment is effectively insulated because the boundary of the thermal energy release is sufficiently far away.

Heat is constantly moving, usually quite quickly, out of any local environment. In order to melt aluminum, not only does it need to absorb enough total heat (BTUs), it needs to retain it until it meets a threshold. But aluminum is an excellent thermal conductor. So is the ground. It is going to send that heat energy directly away from itself. It is not going to melt from a tire fire. It can only melt if it is in an actual oven, which means the air itself is past the melting point of aluminum. Otherwise it will happily give off it's heat to the air and the ground.

The real question is, what was the thermal input that caused the tires to be exposed to 750 F for 15 minutes?

The real question is how was the local environment so hot that the aluminum wasn't able to dissipate enough heat that it melted. It takes an oven. Any oven hot enough to melt aluminum is going to wreck havoc on the local environment. There has to be tons of spent fuel immediately surrounding melted aluminum. In all cases there was not.

How do we know this car caught on fire in that spot?

That's not even a question worth asking, nor is your speculation after. This was not the only car, it was one off dozens that I saw, many parked. Some parked next to green trees. Others parked in empty parking lots (like this one). And this is not the only fire where this happened. Several CA fires had similar occurrences. Fires in Greece, same thing.

When you plug "fire melts aluminum wheels" into google you will get all sorts of hits. When you restrict the date range to before 2010 you don't get any results. As far as I can find, there were zero instances of car wheels melting in normal fires before a few years ago. Now they are all over the place. (I don't know the year it changed, I picked 2010 because it was a date before 2012 and Obama's NDAA rewrite, which allows the government to spread propaganda through news agencies).

There are cars on fire on every highway every day

And none of them have their aluminum wheels melt. Car fires just can't burn hot enough. Not even in an enclosed environment (like your carpark example previously). They must be totally enclosed in an insolated oven to melt aluminum.

I'm not saying it's impossible in a forest fire. If it is big enough that the heat can't dissipate away fast enough then it can absolutely happen, and there is evidence of melted aluminum in some of the fires from my 2010 search, but the examples were in environments of total destruction. It wasn't in areas where there were trees standing green and tall ten feet away. It wasn't in areas where there was no other fuel source. It was strictly in areas where miles and miles around it was all burning, thus the local environment was so hot that the heat had no where to go.

I don't think it takes lasers.

You have yet to provide any argument or evidence which suggests an alternative. In each case of you argument you are not appreciating how quickly heat dissipates, i.e. you are mislabeling the boundary conditions.

Two burning tires can definitely burn up a car

I didn't suggest that a burning tire couldn't ignite the other material in a car (plastic, foam, etc.). I said it couldn't melt aluminum. Of course if you can contain the heat in a confined area (kiln e.g.) you can do a lot more than if the thermal energy has a larger environment to interact with. But I explicitly stated that the conditions for the suspected car fires were not conditions that would melt aluminum, much less glass.

All of the evidence you have presented has been under completely different conditions than that in all of the fires which are suspected of being caused by DEWs. No one is saying a fire can't melt aluminum. What people are saying is that if a fire is hot enough, and sustained enough to melt aluminum, it's going to do a whole lot more damage to the immediate surroundings than it is.

In the paper you presented on cars burning in a car park, the car park was an enclosed environment and it still didn't melt the aluminum wheels, much less the glass. The reason it didn't melt the aluminum wheels is because the heat had somewhere else to go. You need insulation to contain the heat, or the entire surrounding environment needs to be hot enough that the immediate environment is effectively insulated because the boundary of the thermal energy release is sufficiently far away.

Heat is constantly moving, usually quite quickly, out of any local environment. In order to melt aluminum, not only does it need to absorb enough total heat (BTUs), it needs to retain it until it meets a threshold. But aluminum is an excellent thermal conductor. So is the ground. It is going to send that heat energy directly away from itself. It is not going to melt from a tire fire. It can only melt if it is in an actual oven, which means the air itself is past the melting point of aluminum. Otherwise it will happily give off it's heat to the air and the ground.

The real question is, what was the thermal input that caused the tires to be exposed to 750 F for 15 minutes?

The real question is how was the local environment so hot that the aluminum wasn't able to dissipate enough heat that it melted. It takes an oven. Any oven hot enough to melt aluminum is going to wreck havoc on the local environment. There has to be tons of spent fuel immediately surrounding melted aluminum. In all cases there was not.

How do we know this car caught on fire in that spot?

That's not even a question worth asking, nor is your speculation after. This was not the only car, it was one off dozens that I saw, many parked. Some parked next to green trees. Others parked in empty parking lots (like this one). And this is not the only fire where this happened. Several CA fires had similar occurrences. Fires in Greece, same thing.

When you plug "fire melts aluminum wheels" into google you will get all sorts of hits. When you restrict the date range to before 2010 you don't get any results. As far as I can find, there were zero instances of car wheels melting in normal fires before a few years ago. Now they are all over the place. (I don't know the year it changed, I picked 2010 because it was a date before 2012 and Obama's NDAA rewrite, which allows the government to spread propaganda through news agencies).

There are cars on fire on every highway every day

And none of them have their aluminum melt. Car fires just can't burn hot enough. Not even in an enclosed environment (like your carpark example previously). They must be totally enclosed in an insolated oven to melt aluminum.

I'm not saying it's impossible in a forest fire. If it is big enough that the heat can't dissipate away fast enough then it can absolutely happen, and there is evidence of melted aluminum in some of the fires from my 2010 search, but the examples were in environments of total destruction. It wasn't in areas where there were trees standing green and tall ten feet away. It wasn't in areas where there was no other fuel source. It was strictly in areas where miles and miles around it was all burning, thus the local environment was so hot that the heat had no where to go.

I don't think it takes lasers.

You have yet to provide any argument or evidence which suggests an alternative. In each case of you argument you are not appreciating how quickly heat dissipates, i.e. you are mislabeling the boundary conditions.

Two burning tires can definitely burn up a car

I didn't suggest that a burning tire couldn't ignite the other material in a car (plastic, foam, etc.). I said it couldn't melt aluminum. Of course if you can contain the heat in a confined area (kiln e.g.) you can do a lot more than if the thermal energy has a larger environment to interact with. But I explicitly stated that the conditions for the suspected car fires were not conditions that would melt aluminum, much less glass.

All of the evidence you have presented has been under completely different conditions than that in all of the fires which are suspected of being caused by DEWs. No one is saying a fire can't melt aluminum. What people are saying is that if a fire is hot enough, and sustained enough to melt aluminum, it's going to do a whole lot more damage to the immediate surroundings than it is.

In the paper you presented on cars burning in a car park, the car park was an enclosed environment and it still didn't melt the aluminum wheels, much less the glass. The reason it didn't melt the aluminum wheels is because the heat had somewhere else to go. You need insulation to contain the heat, or the entire surrounding environment needs to be hot enough that the immediate environment is effectively insulated because the boundary of the thermal energy release is sufficiently far away.

Heat is constantly moving, usually quite quickly, out of any local environment. In order to melt aluminum, not only does it need to absorb enough total heat (BTUs), it needs to retain it until it meets a threshold. But aluminum is an excellent thermal conductor. So is the ground. It is going to send that heat energy directly away from itself. It is not going to melt from a tire fire. It can only melt if it is in an actual oven, which means the air itself is past the melting point of aluminum. Otherwise it will happily give off it's heat to the air (and the ground, which is an excellent thermal conductor).

The real question is, what was the thermal input that caused the tires to be exposed to 750 F for 15 minutes?

The real question is how was the local environment so hot that the aluminum wasn't able to dissipate enough heat that it melted. It takes an oven. Any oven hot enough to melt aluminum is going to wreck havoc on the local environment. There has to be tons of spent fuel immediately surrounding melted aluminum. In all cases there was not.

How do we know this car caught on fire in that spot?

That's not even a question worth asking, nor is your speculation after. This was not the only car, it was one off dozens that I saw, many parked. Some parked next to green trees. Others parked in empty parking lots (like this one). And this is not the only fire where this happened. Several CA fires had similar occurrences. Fires in Greece, same thing.

When you plug "fire melts aluminum wheels" into google you will get all sorts of hits. When you restrict the date range to before 2010 you don't get any results. As far as I can find, there were zero instances of car wheels melting in normal fires before a few years ago. Now they are all over the place. (I don't know the year it changed, I picked 2010 because it was a date before 2012 and Obama's NDAA rewrite, which allows the government to spread propaganda through news agencies).

There are cars on fire on every highway every day

And none of them have their aluminum melt. Car fires just can't burn hot enough. Not even in an enclosed environment (like your carpark example previously). They must be totally enclosed in an insolated oven to melt aluminum.

I'm not saying it's impossible in a forest fire. If it is big enough that the heat can't dissipate away fast enough then it can absolutely happen, and there is evidence of melted aluminum in some of the fires from my 2010 search, but the examples were in environments of total destruction. It wasn't in areas where there were trees standing green and tall ten feet away. It wasn't in areas where there was no other fuel source. It was strictly in areas where miles and miles around it was all burning, thus the local environment was so hot that the heat had no where to go.

I don't think it takes lasers.

You have yet to provide any argument or evidence which suggests an alternative. In each case of you argument you are not appreciating how quickly heat dissipates, i.e. you are mislabeling the boundary conditions.

Two burning tires can definitely burn up a car

I didn't suggest that a burning tire couldn't ignite the other material in a car (plastic, foam, etc.). I said it couldn't melt aluminum. Of course if you can contain the heat in a confined area (kiln e.g.) you can do a lot more than if the thermal energy has a larger environment to interact with. But I explicitly stated that the conditions for the suspected car fires were not conditions that would melt aluminum, much less glass.

All of the evidence you have presented has been under completely different conditions than that in all of the fires which are suspected of being caused by DEWs. No one is saying a fire can't melt aluminum. What people are saying is that if a fire is hot enough, and sustained enough to melt aluminum, it's going to do a whole lot more damage to the immediate surroundings than it is.

In the paper you presented on cars burning in a car park, the car park was an enclosed environment and it still didn't melt the aluminum wheels, much less the glass. The reason it didn't melt the aluminum wheels is because the heat had somewhere else to go. You need insulation to contain the heat, or the entire surrounding environment needs to be hot enough that the immediate environment is effectively insulated because the boundary of the thermal energy release is sufficiently far away.

Heat is constantly moving, usually quite quickly, out of any local environment. In order to melt aluminum, not only does it need to absorb enough heat, it needs to retain it. It is not going to melt from a tire fire. It can only melt if it is in an actual oven, which means the air itself is past the melting point of aluminum. Otherwise it will happily give off it's heat to the air (and the ground, which is an excellent thermal conductor).

The real question is, what was the thermal input that caused the tires to be exposed to 750 F for 15 minutes?

The real question is how was the local environment so hot that the aluminum wasn't able to dissipate enough heat that it melted. It takes an oven. Any oven hot enough to melt aluminum is going to wreck havoc on the local environment. There has to be tons of spent fuel immediately surrounding melted aluminum. In all cases there was not.

How do we know this car caught on fire in that spot?

That's not even a question worth asking, nor is your speculation after. This was not the only car, it was one off dozens that I saw, many parked. Some parked next to green trees. Others parked in empty parking lots (like this one). And this is not the only fire where this happened. Several CA fires had similar occurrences. Fires in Greece, same thing.

When you plug "fire melts aluminum wheels" into google you will get all sorts of hits. When you restrict the date range to before 2010 you don't get any results. As far as I can find, there were zero instances of car wheels melting in normal fires before a few years ago. Now they are all over the place. (I don't know the year it changed, I picked 2010 because it was a date before 2012 and Obama's NDAA rewrite, which allows the government to spread propaganda through news agencies).

There are cars on fire on every highway every day

And none of them have their aluminum melt. Car fires just can't burn hot enough. Not even in an enclosed environment (like your carpark example previously). They must be totally enclosed in an insolated oven to melt aluminum.

I'm not saying it's impossible in a forest fire. If it is big enough that the heat can't dissipate away fast enough then it can absolutely happen, and there is evidence of melted aluminum in some of the fires from my 2010 search, but the examples were in environments of total destruction. It wasn't in areas where there were trees standing green and tall ten feet away. It wasn't in areas where there was no other fuel source. It was strictly in areas where miles and miles around it was all burning, thus the local environment was so hot that the heat had no where to go.

I don't think it takes lasers.

You have yet to provide any argument or evidence which suggests an alternative. In each case of you argument you are not appreciating how quickly heat dissipates, i.e. you are mislabeling the boundary conditions.

Two burning tires can definitely burn up a car

I didn't suggest that a burning tire couldn't ignite the other material in a car (plastic, foam, etc.). I said it couldn't melt aluminum. Of course if you can contain the heat in a confined area (kiln e.g.) you can do a lot more than if the thermal energy has a larger environment to interact with. But I explicitly stated that the conditions for the suspected car fires were not conditions that would melt aluminum, much less glass.

All of the evidence you have presented has been under completely different conditions than that in all of the fires which are suspected of being caused by DEWs. No one is saying a fire can't melt aluminum. What people are saying is that if a fire is hot enough, and sustained enough to melt aluminum, it's going to do a whole lot more damage to the immediate surroundings than it is.

In the paper you presented on cars burning in a car park, the car park was an enclosed environment and it still didn't melt the aluminum wheels, much less the glass. The reason it didn't melt the aluminum wheels is because the heat had somewhere else to go. You need insulation to contain the heat, or the entire surrounding environment needs to be hot enough that the immediate environment is effectively insulated because the boundary of the thermal energy release is sufficiently far away.

Heat is constantly moving, usually quite quickly, out of any local environment. In order to melt aluminum, not only does it need to absorb enough heat, it needs to retain it. It is not going to melt from a tire fire. It can only melt if it is in an actual oven, which means the air itself is past the melting point of aluminum. Otherwise it will happily give off it's heat to the air (and the ground, which is an excellent thermal conductor).

The real question is, what was the thermal input that caused the tires to be exposed to 750 F for 15 minutes?

The real question is how was the local environment so hot that the aluminum wasn't able to dissipate enough heat that it melted. It takes an oven. Any oven hot enough to melt aluminum is going to wreck havoc on the local environment. There has to be tons of spent fuel immediately surrounding melted aluminum. In all cases there was not.

How do we know this car caught on fire in that spot?

That's not even a question worth asking, nor is your speculation after. This was not the only car, it was one off dozens that I saw, many parked. Some parked next to green trees. Others parked in empty parking lots (like this one). And this is not the only fire where this happened. Several CA fires had similar occurrences. Fires in Greece, same thing.

When you plug "fire melts aluminum wheels" into google you will get all sorts of hits. When you restrict the date range to before 2010 you don't get any results. As far as I can find, there were zero instances of car wheels melting in normal fires before a few years ago. Now they are all over the place. (I don't know the year it changed, I picked 2010 because it was a date before 2012 and Obama's NDAA rewrite, which allows the government to spread propaganda through news agencies).

There are cars on fire on every highway every day

And none of them have their aluminum melt. Car fires just can't burn hot enough. Not even in an enclosed environment (like your carpark example previously). They must be totally enclosed in an insolated oven to melt aluminum.

I'm not saying it's impossible in a forest fire. If it is big enough that the heat can't dissipate away fast enough then it can absolutely happen, and there is evidence of melted aluminum in some of the fires from my 2010 search, but the examples were in environments of total destruction. It wasn't in areas where there were trees standing green and tall ten feet away. It wasn't in areas where there was no other fuel source. It was strictly in areas where miles and miles around it was all burning, thus the local environment was so hot that the heat had no where to go.

I don't think it takes lasers.

You have yet to provide any argument or evidence which suggests an alternative. In each case you are not appreciating how quickly heat dissipates, i.e. you are mislabeling the boundary conditions.

Two burning tires can definitely burn up a car

I didn't suggest that a burning tire couldn't ignite the other material in a car (plastic, foam, etc.). I said it couldn't melt aluminum. Of course if you can contain the heat in a confined area (kiln e.g.) you can do a lot more than if the thermal energy has a larger environment to interact with. But I explicitly stated that the conditions for the suspected car fires were not conditions that would melt aluminum, much less glass.

All of the evidence you have presented has been under completely different conditions than that in all of the fires which are suspected of being caused by DEWs. No one is saying a fire can't melt aluminum. What people are saying is that if a fire is hot enough, and sustained enough to melt aluminum, it's going to do a whole lot more damage to the immediate surroundings than it is.

In the paper you presented on cars burning in a car park, the car park was an enclosed environment and it still didn't melt the aluminum wheels, much less the glass. The reason it didn't melt the aluminum wheels is because the heat had somewhere else to go. You need insulation to contain the heat, or the entire surrounding environment needs to be hot enough that the immediate environment is effectively insulated because the boundary of the thermal energy release is sufficiently far away.

Heat is constantly moving, usually quite quickly, out of any local environment. In order to melt aluminum, not only does it need to absorb enough heat, it needs to retain it. It is not going to melt from a tire fire. It can only melt if it is in an actual oven, which means the air itself is past the melting point of aluminum. Otherwise it will happily give off it's heat to the air (and the ground, which is an excellent thermal conductor).

The real question is, what was the thermal input that caused the tires to be exposed to 750 F for 15 minutes?

The real question is how was the local environment so hot that the aluminum wasn't able to dissipate enough heat that it melted. It takes an oven. Any oven hot enough to melt aluminum is going to wreck havoc on the local environment. There has to be tons of spent fuel immediately surrounding melted aluminum. In all cases there was not.

How do we know this car caught on fire in that spot?

That's not even a question worth asking, nor is your speculation after. This was not the only car, it was one off dozens that I saw, many parked. Some parked next to green trees. Others parked in empty parking lots (like this one). And this is not the only fire where this happened. Several CA fires had similar occurrences. Fires in Greece, same thing.

When you plug "fire melts aluminum wheels" into google you will get all sorts of hits. When you restrict the date range to before 2010 you don't get any results. As far as I can find, there were zero instances of car wheels melting in normal fires before a few years ago. Now they are all over the place. (I don't know the year it changed, I picked 2010 because it was a date before 2012 and Obama's NDAA rewrite, which allows the government to spread propaganda through news agencies).

There are cars on fire on every highway every day

And none of them have their aluminum melt. Car fires just can't burn hot enough. Not even in an enclosed environment (like your carpark example previously). They must be totally enclosed in an insolated oven to melt aluminum.

I'm not saying it's impossible in a forest fire. If it is big enough that the heat can't dissipate away fast enough then it can absolutely happen, and there is evidence of melted aluminum in some of the fires from my 2010 search, but the examples were in environments of total destruction. It wasn't in areas where there were trees standing green and tall ten feet away. It wasn't in areas where there was no other fuel source. It was strictly in areas where miles and miles around it was all burning, thus the local environment was so hot that the heat had no where to go.

Two burning tires can definitely burn up a car

I didn't suggest that a burning tire couldn't ignite the other material in a car (plastic, foam, etc.). I said it couldn't melt aluminum. Of course if you can contain the heat in a confined area (kiln e.g.) you can do a lot more than if the thermal energy has a larger environment to interact with. But I explicitly stated that the conditions for the suspected car fires were not conditions that would melt aluminum, much less glass.

All of the evidence you have presented has been under completely different conditions than that in all of the fires which are suspected of being caused by DEWs. No one is saying a fire can't melt aluminum. What people are saying is that if a fire is hot enough, and sustained enough to melt aluminum, it's going to do a whole lot more damage to the immediate surroundings than it is.

In the paper you presented on cars burning in a car park, the car park was an enclosed environment and it still didn't melt the aluminum wheels, much less the glass. The reason it didn't melt the aluminum wheels is because the heat had somewhere else to go. You need insulation to contain the heat, or the entire surrounding environment needs to be hot enough that the immediate environment is effectively insulated because the boundary of the thermal energy release is sufficiently far away.

Heat is constantly moving, usually quite quickly, out of any local environment. In order to melt aluminum, not only does it need to absorb enough heat, it needs to retain it. It is not going to melt from a tire fire. It can only melt if it is in an actual oven, which means the air itself is past the melting point of aluminum. Otherwise it will happily give off it's heat to the air (and the ground, which is an excellent thermal conductor).

The real question is, what was the thermal input that caused the tires to be exposed to 750 F for 15 minutes?

The real question is how was the local environment so hot that the aluminum wasn't able to dissipate enough heat that it melted. It takes an oven. Any oven hot enough to melt aluminum is going to wreck havoc on the local environment. There has to be tons of spent fuel immediately surrounding melted aluminum. In all cases there was not.

How do we know this car caught on fire in that spot?

That's not even a question worth asking, nor is your speculation after. This was not the only car, it was one off dozens that I saw, many parked. Some parked next to green trees. Others parked in empty parking lots (like this one). And this is not the only fire where this happened. Several CA fires had similar occurrences. Fires in Greece, same thing.

When you plug "fire melts aluminum wheels" into google you will get all sorts of hits. When you restrict the date range to before 2010 you don't get any results. As far as I can find, there were zero instances of car wheels melting in normal fires before a few years ago. Now they are all over the place. (I don't know the year it changed, I picked 2010 because it was a date before 2012 and Obama's NDAA rewrite, which allows the government to spread propaganda through news agencies).

There are cars on fire on every highway every day

And none of them have their aluminum melt. Car fires just can't burn hot enough. Not even in an enclosed environment (like your example previously). They must be totally enclosed in an insolated oven to melt aluminum.

I'm not saying it's impossible in a forest fire. If it is big enough that the heat can't dissipate away fast enough then it can absolutely happen, and there is evidence of melted aluminum in some of the fires from my 2010 search, but the examples were in environments of total destruction. It wasn't in areas where there were trees standing green and tall ten feet away. It wasn't in areas where there was no other fuel source. It was strictly in areas where miles and miles around it was all burning, thus the local environment was so hot that the heat had no where to go.

Two burning tires can definitely burn up a car

I didn't suggest that a burning tire couldn't ignite the other material in a car (plastic, foam, etc.). I said it couldn't melt aluminum. Of course if you can contain the heat in a confined area (kiln e.g.) you can do a lot more than if the thermal energy has a larger environment to interact with. But I explicitly stated that the conditions for the suspected car fires were not conditions that would melt aluminum, much less glass.

All of the evidence you have presented has been under completely different conditions than that in all of the fires which are suspected of being caused by DEWs. No one is saying a fire can't melt aluminum. What people are saying is that if a fire is hot enough, and sustained enough to melt aluminum, it's going to do a whole lot more damage to the immediate surroundings than it is.

In the paper you presented on cars burning in a car park, the car park was an enclosed environment and it still didn't melt the aluminum wheels, much less the glass. The reason it didn't melt the aluminum wheels is because the heat had somewhere else to go. You need insulation to contain the heat, or the entire surrounding environment needs to be hot enough that the immediate environment is effectively insulated because the boundary of the thermal energy release is sufficiently far away.

Heat is constantly moving, usually quite quickly, out of any local environment. In order to melt aluminum, not only does it need to absorb enough heat, it needs to retain it. It is not going to melt from a tire fire. It can only melt if it is in an actual oven, which means the air itself is past the melting point of aluminum. Otherwise it will happily give off it's heat to the air (and the ground, which is has an excellent heat transmission rate).

The real question is, what was the thermal input that caused the tires to be exposed to 750 F for 15 minutes?

The real question is how was the local environment so hot that the aluminum wasn't able to dissipate enough heat that it melted. It takes an oven. Any oven hot enough to melt aluminum is going to wreck havoc on the local environment. There has to be tons of spent fuel immediately surrounding melted aluminum. In all cases there was not.

How do we know this car caught on fire in that spot?

That's not even a question worth asking, nor is your speculation after. This was not the only car, it was one off dozens that I saw, many parked. Some parked next to green trees. Others parked in empty parking lots (like this one). And this is not the only fire where this happened. Several CA fires had similar occurrences. Fires in Greece, same thing.

When you plug "fire melts aluminum wheels" into google you will get all sorts of hits. When you restrict the date range to before 2010 you don't get any results. As far as I can find, there were zero instances of car wheels melting in normal fires before a few years ago. Now they are all over the place. (I don't know the year it changed, I picked 2010 because it was a date before 2012 and Obama's NDAA rewrite, which allows the government to spread propaganda through news agencies).

There are cars on fire on every highway every day

And none of them have their aluminum melt. Car fires just can't burn hot enough. Not even in an enclosed environment (like your example previously). They must be totally enclosed in an insolated oven to melt aluminum.

I'm not saying it's impossible in a forest fire. If it is big enough that the heat can't dissipate away fast enough then it can absolutely happen, and there is evidence of melted aluminum in some of the fires from my 2010 search, but the examples were in environments of total destruction. It wasn't in areas where there were trees standing green and tall ten feet away. It wasn't in areas where there was no other fuel source. It was strictly in areas where miles and miles around it was all burning, thus the local environment was so hot that the heat had no where to go.