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Thanks, and certainly.

What I mean by figment of the imagination is that if Jimmy says God told him X while Billy says God told him Y, but X and Y contradict each other fundamentally, then one or both of them are imagining that God is talking to them. Because God wouldn't contradict himself.

I'd say it's more reasonable to assume they're both imagining hearing God, rather than pick and choose which one I agree with based on my own arbitrary opinion of what "sounds right". What sounds right to me will sound wrong to someone else. It's wholly subjective.

However, that's not to say I don't think God communicates with people directly, necessarily. I just think we have to filter that through some objective and external source, since we aren't fully objective beings and are instead very fallible beings.

I certainly agree we're more than physical bodies, though we are still that. We are mind, body, and spirit. All of them make the whole Human, not just one. As far as 10% of our brain, from what I recall, that is conscious usage at any one time. We still use the other 90% for unconscious tasks.

As for Shamanism, I wouldn't say it's the oldest. I'd say the oldest was Adam and Eve, who had full knowledge of God because they communicated directly with Him before the fall.

And from a brief look at Shamanism and the tie to Jesus, it seems to not have to do with God but with worshiping nature. But Jesus worshiped the Father, so I don't know how He could be considered a Shaman. It depends on what you mean, I guess. He certainly performed miracles, cast out demons, healed people. But the source of that power wasn't nature or some magical thing, it was a result of the fact that He is God, and He always called upon the Father before performing any miracles. Though this could certainly just be a case of us saying the same thing in a different way. One person I just read talking about it pointed out the tower of babel story where the languages were confused could be at fault. So we're basically all saying the same thing but with different words, and then yelling heretic at each other over it, lol (though to be clear I'm not saying you're accusing anyone of heresy. That'd be more on the Christian side, I suppose I must admit.)

I saw an interesting video with a person who is a former psychic. She claimed that it was all real, but that it was all demonic. So it's not that these things are just all fake, but what is the source of the power that is being gained? Is it good? Or is it bad? You can use it for good, maybe, but if the source is evil you won't be doing good with the power for long. I don't intend to be the crazy guy on the street corner screaming about how everything is Satan, just something to consider. (and here is the video if you're interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbDE_BEHREU (it is an interview by Michael Knowles, who to be clear is staunchly Catholic. He's done a few others with different kinds of, I guess "occultists", that I haven't watched yet))

And my thing with the spiritual awakening, is that it certainly can be weird and confusing for some. I was quite lucky in that I didn't really struggle to find my place. But the way I see it, people should be guided to the truth, and since from my perspective that is God's perfect Word in the Bible; well I suppose I'm just eager to point out that perspective and give it the defense I think it deserves.

And it ties into my problem with the "spiritual but not religious" thing. To me, that is self-worship. A complete rejection of any authority. "I'll just figure it out on my own, I don't need some book or some priest to tell me what is true!". But God is an authority. And I believe he gives us authoritative ways to know what is true and to know Him. That should precede any kind of personal interaction, and any personal interaction or event should be contrasted with the objective standard. We need a strong basis of truth to know God, and I believe He provides that for us.

Apologies again for my initially crass tone. I definitely appreciate that you're on here putting out these deep dive posts trying to help people further their understanding, regardless of any disagreements I may have. This is how truth is found, discussion and debate using our God given intellects. You have a good evening!

Edit: By the way, I've seen you around over the months/years and have always wondered if you're DeepFuckingValue, or if he just inspired your name kek

1 year ago
1 score
Reason: None provided.

Thanks, and certainly.

What I mean by figment of the imagination is that if Jimmy says God told him X while Billy says God told him Y, but X and Y contradict each other fundamentally, then one or both of them are imagining that God is talking to them. Because God wouldn't contradict himself.

I'd say it's more reasonable to assume they're both imagining hearing God, rather than pick and choose which one I agree with based on my own arbitrary opinion of what "sounds right". What sounds right to me will sound wrong to someone else. It's wholly subjective.

However, that's not to say I don't think God communicates with people directly, necessarily. I just think we have to filter that through some objective and external source, since we aren't fully objective beings and are instead very fallible beings.

I certainly agree we're more than physical bodies, though we are still that. We are mind, body, and spirit. All of them make the whole Human, not just one. As far as 10% of our brain, from what I recall, that is conscious usage at any one time. We still use the other 90% for unconscious tasks.

As for Shamanism, I wouldn't say it's the oldest. I'd say the oldest was Adam and Eve, who had full knowledge of God because they communicated directly with Him before the fall.

And from a brief look at Shamanism and the tie to Jesus, it seems to not have to do with God but with worshiping nature. But Jesus worshiped the Father, so I don't know how He could be considered a Shaman. It depends on what you mean, I guess. He certainly performed miracles, cast out demons, healed people. But the source of that power wasn't nature or some magical thing, it was a result of the fact that He is God, and He always called upon the Father before performing any miracles. Though this could certainly just be a case of us saying the same thing in a different way. One person I just read talking about it pointed out the tower of babel story where the languages were confused could be at fault. So we're basically all saying the same thing but with different words, and then yelling heretic at each other over it, lol (though to be clear I'm not saying you're accusing anyone of heresy. That'd be more on the Christian side, I suppose I must admit.)

I saw an interesting video with a person who is a former physic. She claimed that it was all real, but that it was all demonic. So it's not that these things are just all fake, but what is the source of the power that is being gained? Is it good? Or is it bad? You can use it for good, maybe, but if the source is evil you won't be doing good with the power for long. I don't intend to be the crazy guy on the street corner screaming about how everything is Satan, just something to consider. (and here is the video if you're interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbDE_BEHREU (it is an interview by Michael Knowles, who to be clear is staunchly Catholic. He's done a few others with different kinds of, I guess "occultists", that I haven't watched yet))

And my thing with the spiritual awakening, is that it certainly can be weird and confusing for some. I was quite lucky in that I didn't really struggle to find my place. But the way I see it, people should be guided to the truth, and since from my perspective that is God's perfect Word in the Bible; well I suppose I'm just eager to point out that perspective and give it the defense I think it deserves.

And it ties into my problem with the "spiritual but not religious" thing. To me, that is self-worship. A complete rejection of any authority. "I'll just figure it out on my own, I don't need some book or some priest to tell me what is true!". But God is an authority. And I believe he gives us authoritative ways to know what is true and to know Him. That should precede any kind of personal interaction, and any personal interaction or event should be contrasted with the objective standard. We need a strong basis of truth to know God, and I believe He provides that for us.

Apologies again for my initially crass tone. I definitely appreciate that you're on here putting out these deep dive posts trying to help people further their understanding, regardless of any disagreements I may have. This is how truth is found, discussion and debate using our God given intellects. You have a good evening!

Edit: By the way, I've seen you around over the months/years and have always wondered if you're DeepFuckingValue, or if he just inspired your name kek

1 year ago
1 score
Reason: None provided.

Thanks, and certainly.

What I mean by figment of the imagination is that if Jimmy says God told him X while Billy says God told him Y, but X and Y contradict each other fundamentally, then one or both of them are imagining that God is talking to them. Because God wouldn't contradict himself.

I'd say it's more reasonable to assume they're both imagining hearing God, rather than pick and choose which one I agree with based on my own arbitrary opinion of what "sounds right". What sounds right to me will sound wrong to someone else. It's wholly subjective.

However, that's not to say I don't think God communicates with people directly, necessarily. I just think we have to filter that through some objective and external source, since we aren't fully objective beings and are instead very fallible beings.

I certainly agree we're more than physical bodies, though we are still that. We are mind, body, and spirit. All of them make the whole Human, not just one. As far as 10% of our brain, from what I recall, that is conscious usage at any one time. We still use the other 90% for unconscious tasks.

As for Shamanism, I wouldn't say it's the oldest. I'd say the oldest was Adam and Eve, who had full knowledge of God because they communicated directly with Him before the fall.

And from a brief look at Shamanism and the tie to Jesus, it seems to not have to do with God but with worshiping nature. But Jesus worshiped the Father, so I don't know how He could be considered a Shaman. It depends on what you mean, I guess. He certainly performed miracles, cast out demons, healed people. But the source of that power wasn't nature or some magical thing, it was a result of the fact that He is God, and He always called upon the Father before performing any miracles. Though this could certainly just be a case of us saying the same thing in a different way. One person I just read talking about it pointed out the tower of babel story where the languages were confused could be at fault. So we're basically all saying the same thing but with different words, and then yelling heretic at each other over it, lol (though to be clear I'm not saying you're accusing anyone of heresy. That'd be more on the Christian side, I suppose I must admit.)

I saw an interesting video with a person who is a former physic. She claimed that it was all real, but that it was all demonic. So it's not that these things are just all fake, but what is the source of the power that is being gained? Is it good? Or is it bad? You can use it for good, maybe, but if the source is evil you won't be doing good with the power for long. I don't intend to be the crazy guy on the street corner screaming about how everything is Satan, just something to consider. (and here is the video if you're interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbDE_BEHREU (it is an interview by Michael Knowles, who to be clear is staunchly Catholic. He's done a few others with different kinds of, I guess "occultists", that I haven't watched yet))

And my thing with the spiritual awakening, is that it certainly can be weird and confusing for some. I was quite lucky in that I didn't really struggle to find my place. But the way I see it, people should be guided to the truth, and since from my perspective that is God's perfect Word in the Bible; well I suppose I'm just eager to point out that perspective and give it the defense I think it deserves.

And it ties into my problem with the "spiritual but not religious" thing. To me, that is self-worship. A complete rejection of any authority. "I'll just figure it out on my own, I don't need some book or some priest to tell me what is true!". But God is an authority. And I believe he gives us authoritative ways to know what is true and to know Him. That should precede any kind of personal interaction, and any personal interaction or event should be contrasted with the objective standard. We need a strong basis of truth to know God, and I believe He provides that for us.

Apologies again for my initially crass tone. I definitely appreciate that you're on here putting out these deep dive posts trying to help people further their understanding, regardless of any disagreements I may have. This is how truth is found, discussion and debate using our God given intellects. You have a good evening!

1 year ago
1 score
Reason: None provided.

Thanks, and certainly.

What I mean by figment of the imagination is that if Jimmy says God told him X while Billy says God told him Y, but X and Y contradict each other fundamentally, then one or both of them are imagining that God is talking to them. Because God wouldn't contradict himself.

I'd say it's more reasonable to assume they're both imagining hearing God, rather than pick and choose which one I agree with based on my own arbitrary opinion of what "sounds right". What sounds right to me will sound wrong to someone else. It's wholly subjective.

However, that's not to say I don't think God communicates with people directly, necessarily. I just think we have to filter that through some objective and external source, since we aren't fully objective beings and are instead very fallible beings.

I certainly agree we're more than physical bodies, though we are still that. We are mind, body, and spirit. All of them make the whole Human, not just one. As far as 10% of our brain, from what I recall, that is conscious usage at any one time. We still use the other 90% for unconscious tasks.

As for Shamanism, I wouldn't say it's the oldest. I'd say the oldest was Adam and Eve, who had full knowledge of God because they communicated directly with Him before the fall.

And from a brief look at Shamanism and the tie to Jesus, it seems to not have to do with God but with worshiping nature. But Jesus worshiped the Father, so I don't know how He could be considered a Shaman. It depends on what you mean, I guess. He certainly performed miracles, cast out demons, healed people. But the source of that power wasn't nature or some magical thing, it was a result of the fact that He is God, and He always called upon the Father before performing any miracles. Though this could certainly just be a case of us saying the same thing in a different way. One person I just read talking about it pointed out the tower of babel story where the languages were confused could be at fault. So we're basically all saying the same thing but with different words, and then yelling heretic at each other over it, lol (though to be clear I'm not saying you've done this. That'd be more on the Christian side, I suppose I must admit.)

I saw an interesting video with a person who is a former physic. She claimed that it was all real, but that it was all demonic. So it's not that these things are just all fake, but what is the source of the power that is being gained? Is it good? Or is it bad? You can use it for good, maybe, but if the source is evil you won't be doing good with the power for long. I don't intend to be the crazy guy on the street corner screaming about how everything is Satan, just something to consider. (and here is the video if you're interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbDE_BEHREU (it is an interview by Michael Knowles, who to be clear is staunchly Catholic. He's done a few others with different kinds of, I guess "occultists", that I haven't watched yet))

And my thing with the spiritual awakening, is that it certainly can be weird and confusing for some. I was quite lucky in that I didn't really struggle to find my place. But the way I see it, people should be guided to the truth, and since from my perspective that is God's perfect Word in the Bible; well I suppose I'm just eager to point out that perspective and give it the defense I think it deserves.

And it ties into my problem with the "spiritual but not religious" thing. To me, that is self-worship. A complete rejection of any authority. "I'll just figure it out on my own, I don't need some book or some priest to tell me what is true!". But God is an authority. And I believe he gives us authoritative ways to know what is true and to know Him. That should precede any kind of personal interaction, and any personal interaction or event should be contrasted with the objective standard. We need a strong basis of truth to know God, and I believe He provides that for us.

Apologies again for my initially crass tone. I definitely appreciate that you're on here putting out these deep dive posts trying to help people further their understanding, regardless of any disagreements I may have. This is how truth is found, discussion and debate using our God given intellects. You have a good evening!

1 year ago
1 score
Reason: None provided.

Thanks, and certainly.

What I mean by figment of the imagination is that if Jimmy says God told him X while Billy says God told him Y, but X and Y contradict each other fundamentally, then one or both of them are imagining that God is talking to them. Because God wouldn't contradict himself.

I'd say it's more reasonable to assume they're both imagining hearing God, rather than pick and choose which one I agree with based on my own arbitrary opinion of what "sounds right". What sounds right to me will sound wrong to someone else. It's wholly subjective.

However, that's not to say I don't think God communicates with people directly, necessarily. I just think we have to filter that through some objective and external source, since we aren't fully objective beings and are instead very fallible beings.

I certainly agree we're more than physical bodies, though we are still that. We are mind, body, and spirit. All of them make the whole Human, not just one. As far as 10% of our brain, from what I recall, that is conscious usage at any one time. We still use the other 90% for unconscious tasks.

As for Shamanism, I wouldn't say it's the oldest. I'd say the oldest was Adam and Eve, who had full knowledge of God because they communicated directly with Him before the fall.

And from a brief look at Shamanism and the tie to Jesus, it seems to not have to do with God but with worshiping nature. But Jesus worshiped the Father, so I don't know how He could be considered a Shaman. It depends on what you mean, I guess. He certainly performed miracles, cast out demons, healed people. But the source of that power wasn't nature or some magical thing, it was a result of the fact that He is God, and He always called upon the Father before performing any miracles. Though this could certainly just be a case of us saying the same thing in a different way. One person I just read talking abou it pointed out the tower of babel story where the languages were confused could be at fault. So we're basically all saying the same thing but with different words, and then yelling heretic at each other over it, lol (though to be clear I'm not saying you've done this. That'd be more on the Christian side, I suppose I must admit.)

I saw an interesting video with a person who is a former physic. She claimed that it was all real, but that it was all demonic. So it's not that these things are just all fake, but what is the source of the power that is being gained? Is it good? Or is it bad? You can use it for good, maybe, but if the source is evil you won't be doing good with the power for long. I don't intend to be the crazy guy on the street corner screaming about how everything is Satan, just something to consider. (and here is the video if you're interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbDE_BEHREU (it is an interview by Michael Knowles, who to be clear is staunchly Catholic. He's done a few others with different kinds of, I guess "occultists", that I haven't watched yet))

And my thing with the spiritual awakening, is that it certainly can be weird and confusing for some. I was quite lucky in that I didn't really struggle to find my place. But the way I see it, people should be guided to the truth, and since from my perspective that is God's perfect Word in the Bible; well I suppose I'm just eager to point out that perspective and give it the defense I think it deserves.

And it ties into my problem with the "spiritual but not religious" thing. To me, that is self-worship. A complete rejection of any authority. "I'll just figure it out on my own, I don't need some book or some priest to tell me what is true!". But God is an authority. And I believe he gives us authoritative ways to know what is true and to know Him. That should precede any kind of personal interaction, and any personal interaction or event should be contrasted with the objective standard. We need a strong basis of truth to know God, and I believe He provides that for us.

Apologies again for my initially crass tone. I definitely appreciate that you're on here putting out these deep dive posts trying to help people further their understanding, regardless of any disagreements I may have. This is how truth is found, discussion and debate using our God given intellects. You have a good evening!

1 year ago
1 score
Reason: Original

Thanks, and certainly.

What I mean by figment of the imagination is that if Jimmy says God told him X while Billy says God told him Y, but X and Y contradict each other fundamentally, then one or both of them are imagining that God is talking to them. Because God wouldn't contradict himself.

I'd say it's more reasonable to assume they're both imagining hearing God, rather than pick and choose which one I agree with based on my own arbitrary opinion of what "sounds right". What sounds right to me will sound wrong to someone else. It's wholly subjective.

However, that's not to say I don't think God communicates with people directly, necessarily. I just think we have to filter that through some objective and external source, since we aren't fully objective beings and are instead very fallible beings.

I certainly agree we're more than physical bodies, though we are still that. We are mind, body, and spirit. All of them make the whole Human, not just one. As far as 10% of our brain, from what I recall, that is conscious usage at any one time. We still use the other 90% for unconscious tasks.

As for Shamanism, I wouldn't say it's the oldest. I'd say the oldest was Adam and Eve, who had full knowledge of God because they communicated directly with Him before the fall.

And from a brief look at Shamanism and the tie to Jesus, it seems to not have to do with God but with worshiping nature. But Jesus worshiped the Father, so I don't know how He could be considered a Shaman. It depends on what you mean, I guess. He certainly performed miracles, cast out demons, healed people. But the source of that power wasn't nature or some magical thing, it was a result of the fact that He is God, and He always called upon the Father before performing any miracles.

I saw an interesting video with a person who is a former physic. She claimed that it was all real, but that it was all demonic. So it's not that these things are just all fake, but what is the source of the power that is being gained? Is it good? Or is it bad? You can use it for good, maybe, but if the source is evil you won't be doing good with the power for long. I don't intend to be the crazy guy on the street corner screaming about how everything is Satan, just something to consider. (and here is the video if you're interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbDE_BEHREU (it is an interview by Michael Knowles, who to be clear is staunchly Catholic. He's done a few others with different kinds of, I guess "occultists", that I haven't watched yet))

And my thing with the spiritual awakening, is that it certainly can be weird and confusing for some. I was quite lucky in that I didn't really struggle to find my place. But the way I see it, people should be guided to the truth, and since from my perspective that is God's perfect Word in the Bible; well I suppose I'm just eager to point out that perspective and give it the defense I think it deserves.

And it ties into my problem with the "spiritual but not religious" thing. To me, that is self-worship. A complete rejection of any authority. "I'll just figure it out on my own, I don't need some book or some priest to tell me what is true!". But God is an authority. And I believe he gives us authoritative ways to know what is true and to know Him. That should precede any kind of personal interaction, and any personal interaction or event should be contrasted with the objective standard. We need a strong basis of truth to know God, and I believe He provides that for us.

Apologies again for my initially crass tone. I definitely appreciate that you're on here putting out these deep dive posts trying to help people further their understanding, regardless of any disagreements I may have. This is how truth is found, discussion and debate using our God given intellects. You have a good evening!

1 year ago
1 score