Dude, you're fucking full of shit.

I don't need some asshat telling me I'm a fucking brainwashed robot just running programs because he thinks he's some intellectual juggernaut. Your ego is fucking massive. And maybe you are smarter than me, I'll give you that. But my argumentation thus far has been far superior to the abject drivel you've levied.

And yes, I am 100% triggered. Moreover, I don't do passive-aggressive. If you want to throw accusations as a prime method of argument, I'm going to tell you what I think. I think you're a tool.

Now, with that out of the way:

I grew up with the same brainwashing and never questioned that Jesus was a real person. Then I questioned it and the bible. I'm aware the bible has some accuracy, but it literally is not proof. It's just text. Historical record would mean that Jesus appears in historical sources, like in a journal or in some artwork from the time, and zero. This is well know too. But it's logical fallacy to claim it matters in proving Jesus exists or not. The numbers of people who believe one way or the other, doesn't matter.

Problem #1

I didn't grow up with shit. I was agnostic until AFTER I joined GAW. And became Catholic AFTER that. If I got brainwashed, it was by anti-authority sentiment on GAW, and anti-Vatican sentiment on GAW. And DESPITE that, I became Roman Catholic. My predisposition was AGAINST all these things, yet I still came to believe them. Get bent with this "you're brainwashed" crap, you poser.

Problem #2

There is no logical fallacy involved in claiming that a primary document is evidence of a claim. And the only thing that's well known is the several secular sources outside the Bible that confirm the historicity of Christ: https://www.bethinking.org/jesus/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources

Also, name one formal logical fallacy I've committed. You can't (or maybe you can. I'd love to see it so I can improve my argumentation going forward). Logic is my specialty. I may not know everything, and you may be smarter, but logic is what I use to close the gap, where appropriate.

And I'm not ignorant about the bible at all. My claim that it's bullshit comes from the fact that it can't be proven to be truth.

You can't prove you're smart, either. You can't prove you aren't a brain in a jar. You can't prove you won't get hit by a bus next time you leave your house. We can't prove Joe Biden isn't a man in a mask. We can't prove Joe Biden is a man in a mask. We can't prove Trump is a good guy. We can't prove Q is real.

Proof is imaginary. Evidence is all that counts. And as far as the evidence goes, Christ being Lord has plenty. You choose to reject is based on some other criteria, not because it has an insufficient amount of evidence compared to anything else.

You pointed that if we exclude history then we cannot prove Jesus existed. That's all I was saying. History is the only thing that says he existed and history is missing verified, unbiased evidence.

There is more evidence for Christ than historical. The historical evidence verifies what we're seeing. The evidence present in all the creation verifies the historical account. They confirm each other as a result of their inherent truthfulness. God is self-evident. The Bible explains which God, and does it in a way that can't be refuted. You can't name one thing that the Bible is wrong about.

Also, this was my whole point. If you reject history and I don't, this discussion has little potential to bear fruit. Our entire base worldviews are different.

I find the historical evidence to be perfectly acceptable in light of the evident realities of the creation.

And another program you ran was saying the rebellion against God is worship of the self. I was "taught" the same thing. And it's no feat that people can predict a rebellion against God results in self worship in most cases. But not in my case.

The Bible was written 2000 years ago, yet it's got you pinned down to a tee. But ok, if you don't worship the self, who is your authority on truth? Be specific.

And about where we are. It does make a huge difference. You just have not put it together that this really is a plane. And we really are trapped, and all the national leaders know it, they always have.

Cool, never said it wasn't.

And I never said it doesn't matter, because it does. I said it doesn't disprove the Bible, and even fits with it potentially better (as you admit).

So it changes everything. We go from our planet and our destiny to being slaves in a wheel. Religion and most of the knowledge we think we have, could have been planted to make our society easier to manipulate and manage.

Rebellion from God. I'm going to stop posing theory and stating fact: God gave His revelation to Man and you can't see it or hear it because of your inherent sin nature that drives you away from God.

Also, you can't prove any of that.

Also, also, your observation is correct. Religion exists to tell us what to do. Your problem is your rebellion from God that prevents you from understanding why that's a good thing. Unrestricted freedom is why evil exists. Freedom is not a virtue.

To use that observation as some kind of evidence against religion is asinine. Yes, control is the point of religion. That doesn't make the claims of the religion false.

I really am pretty smart person. I'm not gonna call you dumb though. But maybe make some room for other people to teach you things instead of assuming you're the shit. You would be surprised how much you are wrong about still, even after all these struggles to understand the world. Im ahead of you at the moment, and once you take the flat pill, your perspective on everything slowly adapts the the new reality.

You called me every synonym for dumb, or at least you might as well have, but thanks, I guess.

Though, it appears to me that an unbiased review would reveal that you're the one with the ego problem here, man. As evidenced by, well... your inability to write three sentences without puffing yourself up. You couldn't even refrain from doing it in the selfsame paragraph that you accused ME of thinking I'm "the shit" in. In fact, you sandwiched that claim in between TWO statements stroking your own ego.

Now, as for my perspective, I couldn't get much closer to thinking it's flat than I already am, without simply accepting the claim. I still reserve judgement until I can get out and do my own tests at the very least. But even if I can confirm say the 5+ mile laser tests that disprove curvature, it won't change much about my perspective.

Just like nothing changed when I came to reject evolution. All the same things are still true observationally, they just have a different explanation. Not much about my life changes if I accept flat Earth. I already don't accept any of the anti-human bullshit pushed by the cabal. I already accept the notion that God created us with and for a purpose, and that we aren't just dumb animals with no purpose waiting to be enslaved by the stronger monkeys or aliens or whatever crap.

And if you didn't understand all these things after learning about the Bible, you never really understood the Bible. Then again, it's impossible to understand the Bible and not see that it's true, so no one who rejects it understand it (or God).

For some, flat earth makes the story of God vs devil even more real. And by all possiblity, it could be. But, it's also possible that religions are planted here, since we must have been planted here.

Honest question, where does all this "we were seeded on Earth to be cattle" shit come from (I'm assuming that's what you are getting at)? I keep hearing this shit, and haven't seen a lick of evidence. It honestly just seems like some schizo shit that only makes sense in theory. But maybe evidence exists, and I just haven't seen it yet. So if you're really interested in teaching me anything, now is the time.

Dude, you're fucking full of shit.

I don't need some asshat telling me I'm a fucking brainwashed robot just running programs because he thinks he's some intellectual juggernaut. Your ego is fucking massive. And maybe you are smarter than me, I'll give you that. But my argumentation thus far has been far superior to the abject drivel you've levied.

And yes, I am 100% triggered. Moreover, I don't do passive-aggressive. If you want to throw accusations as a prime method of argument, I'm going to tell you what I think. I think you're a tool.

Now, with that out of the way:

I grew up with the same brainwashing and never questioned that Jesus was a real person. Then I questioned it and the bible. I'm aware the bible has some accuracy, but it literally is not proof. It's just text. Historical record would mean that Jesus appears in historical sources, like in a journal or in some artwork from the time, and zero. This is well know too. But it's logical fallacy to claim it matters in proving Jesus exists or not. The numbers of people who believe one way or the other, doesn't matter.

Problem #1

I didn't grow up with shit. I was agnostic until AFTER I joined GAW. And became Catholic AFTER that. If I got brainwashed, it was by anti-authority sentiment on GAW, and anti-Vatican sentiment on GAW. And DESPITE that, I became Roman Catholic. My predisposition was AGAINST all these things, yet I still came to believe them. Get bent with this "you're brainwashed" crap, you poser.

Problem #2

There is no logical fallacy involved in claiming that a primary document is evidence of a claim. And the only thing that's well known is the several secular sources outside the Bible that confirm the historicity of Christ: https://www.bethinking.org/jesus/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources

Also, name one formal logical fallacy I've committed. You can't (or maybe you can. I'd love to see it so I can improve my argumentation going forward). Logic is my specialty. I may not know everything, and you may be smarter, but logic is what I use to close the gap, where appropriate.

And I'm not ignorant about the bible at all. My claim that it's bullshit comes from the fact that it can't be proven to be truth.

You can't prove you're smart, either. You can't prove you aren't a brain in a jar. You can't prove you won't get hit by a bus next time you leave your house. We can't prove Joe Biden isn't a man in a mask. We can't prove Joe Biden is a man in a mask. You can't prove Trump is a good guy. We can't prove Q is real.

Proof is imaginary. Evidence is all that counts. And as far as the evidence goes, the Christ the Lord has plenty. You choose to reject is based on some other criteria, not because it has an insufficient amount of evidence compared to anything else.

You pointed that if we exclude history then we cannot prove Jesus existed. That's all I was saying. History is the only thing that says he existed and history is missing verified, unbiased evidence.

There is more evidence for Christ than historical. The historical evidence verifies what we're seeing. The evidence present in all the creation verifies the historical account. They confirm each other as a result of their inherent truthfulness. God is self-evident. The Bible explains which God, and does it in a way that can't be refuted. You can't name one thing that the Bible is wrong about.

Also, this was my whole point. If you reject history and I don't, this discussion has little potential to bear fruit. Our entire base worldviews are different.

I find the historical evidence to be perfectly acceptable in light of the evident realities of the creation.

And another program you ran was saying the rebellion against God is worship of the self. I was "taught" the same thing. And it's no feat that people can predict a rebellion against God results in self worship in most cases. But not in my case.

The Bible was written 2000 years ago, yet it's got you pinned down to a tee. But ok, if you don't worship the self, who is your authority on truth? Be specific.

And about where we are. It does make a huge difference. You just have not put it together that this really is a plane. And we really are trapped, and all the national leaders know it, they always have.

Cool, never said it wasn't.

And I never said it doesn't matter, because it does. I said it doesn't disprove the Bible, and even fits with it potentially better (as you admit).

So it changes everything. We go from our planet and our destiny to being slaves in a wheel. Religion and most of the knowledge we think we have, could have been planted to make our society easier to manipulate and manage.

Rebellion from God. I'm going to stop posing theory and stating fact: God gave His revelation to Man and you can't see it or hear it because of your inherent sin nature that drives you away from God.

Also, you can't prove any of that.

Also, also, your observation is correct. Religion exists to tell us what to do. Your problem is your rebellion from God that prevents you from understanding why that's a good thing. Unrestricted freedom is why evil exists. Freedom is not a virtue.

To use that observation as some kind of evidence against religion is asinine. Yes, control is the point of religion. That doesn't make the claims of the religion false.

I really am pretty smart person. I'm not gonna call you dumb though. But maybe make some room for other people to teach you things instead of assuming you're the shit. You would be surprised how much you are wrong about still, even after all these struggles to understand the world. Im ahead of you at the moment, and once you take the flat pill, your perspective on everything slowly adapts the the new reality.

You called me every synonym for dumb, or at least you might as well have, but thanks, I guess.

Though, it appears to me that an unbiased review would reveal that you're the one with the ego problem here, man. As evidenced by, well... your inability to write three sentences without puffing yourself up. You couldn't even refrain from doing it in the selfsame paragraph that you accused ME of thinking I'm "the shit" in. In fact, you sandwiched that claim in between TWO statements stroking your own ego.

Now, as for my perspective, I couldn't get much closer to thinking it's flat than I already am, without simply accepting the claim. I still reserve judgement until I can get out and do my own tests at the very least. But even if I can confirm say the 5+ mile laser tests that disprove curvature, it won't change much about my perspective.

Just like nothing changed when I came to reject evolution. All the same things are still true observationally, they just have a different explanation. Not much about my life changes if I accept flat Earth. I already don't accept any of the anti-human bullshit pushed by the cabal. I already accept the notion that God created us with and for a purpose, and that we aren't just dumb animals with no purpose waiting to be enslaved by the stronger monkeys or aliens or whatever crap.

And if you didn't understand all these things after learning about the Bible, you never really understood the Bible. Then again, it's impossible to understand the Bible and not see that it's true, so no one who rejects it understand it (or God).

For some, flat earth makes the story of God vs devil even more real. And by all possiblity, it could be. But, it's also possible that religions are planted here, since we must have been planted here.

Honest question, where does all this "we were seeded on Earth to be cattle" shit come from (I'm assuming that's what you are getting at)? I keep hearing this shit, and haven't seen a lick of evidence. It honestly just seems like some schizo shit that only makes sense in theory. But maybe evidence exists, and I just haven't seen it yet. So if you're really interested in teaching me anything, now is the time.