Thank you for your detailed response! I’d like to point out a few points of agreement:
1.Historical Empires: Your outline of the historical empires aligns with mainstream historical and biblical scholarship.
2.Daniel’s Fourth Beast: Your identification of the fourth beast as the Roman Empire and its continuity in Western Europe is consistent with classical dispensationalism.
3.Daniel’s 70 Weeks: Your interpretation of Daniel’s 70 weeks aligns with the belief that Jesus fulfilled this prophecy through His ministry and sacrifice.
4.Matthew 24 Interpretation: Your view that the Great Tribulation in Matthew 24 refers to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD is in line with a Preterist understanding.
5.Symbolism in Revelation: Your symbolic interpretation of Revelation’s imagery corresponds to a common approach to understanding apocalyptic literature.
While we find agreement on these points, it’s intriguing to observe that your views actually incorporate elements of both Preterism and Dispensationalism, concepts you suggest were invented by Jesuits to distract from Rome.
Additionally, the cosmic apocalyptic imagery in Revelation, such as the darkening of the sun and the falling stars, bears a striking resemblance to the prophetic language used by Amos and other OT prophets as well as mentioned by Jesus in the Olivet Discourse, suggesting a dual fulfillment—one in the contemporary context and another in the future return of Christ.
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Revelation:
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Revelation 6:12-14: "I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place."
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Revelation 8:12: "The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night."
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Amos:
- Amos 5:18-20: "Woe to you who long for the day of the Lord! Why do you long for the day of the Lord? That day will be darkness, not light. It will be as though a man fled from a lion only to meet a bear, as though he entered his house and rested his hand on the wall only to have a snake bite him. Will not the day of the Lord be darkness, not light—pitch-dark, without a ray of brightness?"
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Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24):
- Matthew 24:29: "Immediately after the distress of those days 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'"
(Here are some other OT references using the exact same wording:
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Isaiah 13:10: "The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light."
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Isaiah 24:23: "The moon will be dismayed, the sun ashamed; for the LORD Almighty will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and before its elders—with great glory."
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Isaiah 34:4: "All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree."
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Ezekiel 32:7-8: "When I snuff you out, I will cover the heavens and darken their stars; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon will not give its light. All the shining lights in the heavens I will darken over you)
It's also worth noting that the apostle John, the author of Revelation, often draws his imagery from the Jewish Old Testament. The Old Testament serves as a key that unlocks the meaning of many symbols and visions in Revelation
Given this context, what are your thoughts on the gap between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel’s prophecy? Do you see scriptural support for the idea that we are currently in that gap, and that the 70th week will be fulfilled during the time of Jacob’s trouble or the great tribulation?
Thank you for your detailed explanation of these biblical prophecies. I’d like to point out a few points of agreement:
1.Historical Empires: Your outline of the historical empires aligns with mainstream historical and biblical scholarship.
2.Daniel’s Fourth Beast: Your identification of the fourth beast as the Roman Empire and its continuity in Western Europe is consistent with classical dispensationalism.
3.Daniel’s 70 Weeks: Your interpretation of Daniel’s 70 weeks aligns with the belief that Jesus fulfilled this prophecy through His ministry and sacrifice.
4.Matthew 24 Interpretation: Your view that the Great Tribulation in Matthew 24 refers to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD is in line with a Preterist understanding.
5.Symbolism in Revelation: Your symbolic interpretation of Revelation’s imagery corresponds to a common approach to understanding apocalyptic literature.
While we find agreement on these points, it’s intriguing to observe that your views actually incorporate elements of both Preterism and Dispensationalism, concepts you suggest were invented by Jesuits to distract from Rome.
Additionally, the cosmic apocalyptic imagery in Revelation, such as the darkening of the sun and the falling stars, bears a striking resemblance to the prophetic language used by Amos and other OT prophets as well as mentioned by Jesus in the Olivet Discourse, suggesting a dual fulfillment—one in the contemporary context and another in the future return of Christ.
-
Revelation:
-
Revelation 6:12-14: "I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place."
-
Revelation 8:12: "The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night."
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Amos:
- Amos 5:18-20: "Woe to you who long for the day of the Lord! Why do you long for the day of the Lord? That day will be darkness, not light. It will be as though a man fled from a lion only to meet a bear, as though he entered his house and rested his hand on the wall only to have a snake bite him. Will not the day of the Lord be darkness, not light—pitch-dark, without a ray of brightness?"
-
Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24):
- Matthew 24:29: "Immediately after the distress of those days 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'"
(Here are some other OT references using the exact same wording:
-
Isaiah 13:10: "The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light."
-
Isaiah 24:23: "The moon will be dismayed, the sun ashamed; for the LORD Almighty will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and before its elders—with great glory."
-
Isaiah 34:4: "All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree."
-
Ezekiel 32:7-8: "When I snuff you out, I will cover the heavens and darken their stars; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon will not give its light. All the shining lights in the heavens I will darken over you)
It's also worth noting that the apostle John, the author of Revelation, often draws his imagery from the Jewish Old Testament. The Old Testament serves as a key that unlocks the meaning of many symbols and visions in Revelation
Given this context, what are your thoughts on the gap between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel’s prophecy? Do you see scriptural support for the idea that we are currently in that gap, and that the 70th week will be fulfilled during the time of Jacob’s trouble or the great tribulation?
Thank you for your detailed explanation of these biblical prophecies. It’s interesting to note several points of agreement:
1.Historical Empires: Your outline of the historical empires aligns with mainstream historical and biblical scholarship.
2.Daniel’s Fourth Beast: Your identification of the fourth beast as the Roman Empire and its continuity in Western Europe is consistent with classical dispensationalism.
3.Daniel’s 70 Weeks: Your interpretation of Daniel’s 70 weeks aligns with the belief that Jesus fulfilled this prophecy through His ministry and sacrifice.
4.Matthew 24 Interpretation: Your view that the Great Tribulation in Matthew 24 refers to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD is in line with a Preterist understanding.
5.Symbolism in Revelation: Your symbolic interpretation of Revelation’s imagery corresponds to a common approach to understanding apocalyptic literature.
While we find agreement on these points, it’s intriguing to observe that your views actually incorporate elements of both Preterism and Dispensationalism, concepts you suggest were invented by Jesuits to distract from Rome.
Additionally, the cosmic apocalyptic imagery in Revelation, such as the darkening of the sun and the falling stars, bears a striking resemblance to the prophetic language used by Amos and other OT prophets as well as mentioned by Jesus in the Olivet Discourse, suggesting a dual fulfillment—one in the contemporary context and another in the future return of Christ.
-
Revelation:
-
Revelation 6:12-14: "I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place."
-
Revelation 8:12: "The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night."
-
-
Amos:
- Amos 5:18-20: "Woe to you who long for the day of the Lord! Why do you long for the day of the Lord? That day will be darkness, not light. It will be as though a man fled from a lion only to meet a bear, as though he entered his house and rested his hand on the wall only to have a snake bite him. Will not the day of the Lord be darkness, not light—pitch-dark, without a ray of brightness?"
-
Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24):
- Matthew 24:29: "Immediately after the distress of those days 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'"
(Here are some other OT references using the exact same wording:
-
Isaiah 13:10: "The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light."
-
Isaiah 24:23: "The moon will be dismayed, the sun ashamed; for the LORD Almighty will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and before its elders—with great glory."
-
Isaiah 34:4: "All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree."
-
Ezekiel 32:7-8: "When I snuff you out, I will cover the heavens and darken their stars; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon will not give its light. All the shining lights in the heavens I will darken over you)
It's also worth noting that the apostle John, the author of Revelation, often draws his imagery from the Jewish Old Testament. The Old Testament serves as a key that unlocks the meaning of many symbols and visions in Revelation
Given this context, what are your thoughts on the gap between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel’s prophecy? Do you see scriptural support for the idea that we are currently in that gap, and that the 70th week will be fulfilled during the time of Jacob’s trouble or the great tribulation?
Thank you for your detailed explanation of these biblical prophecies. It’s interesting to note several points of agreement:
1. Historical Empires: Your outline of the historical empires aligns with mainstream historical and biblical scholarship.
2. Daniel’s Fourth Beast: Your identification of the fourth beast as the Roman Empire and its continuity in Western Europe is consistent with classical dispensationalism.
3. Daniel’s 70 Weeks: Your interpretation of Daniel’s 70 weeks aligns with the belief that Jesus fulfilled this prophecy through His ministry and sacrifice.
4. Matthew 24 Interpretation: Your view that the Great Tribulation in Matthew 24 refers to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD is in line with a Preterist understanding.
5. Symbolism in Revelation: Your symbolic interpretation of Revelation’s imagery corresponds to a common approach to understanding apocalyptic literature.
While we find agreement on these points, it’s intriguing to observe that your views actually incorporate elements of both Preterism and Dispensationalism, concepts you suggest were invented by Jesuits to distract from Rome.
Additionally, the cosmic apocalyptic imagery in Revelation, such as the darkening of the sun and the falling stars, bears a striking resemblance to the prophetic language used by Amos and other OT prophets as well as mentioned by Jesus in the Olivet Discourse, suggesting a dual fulfillment—one in the contemporary context and another in the future return of Christ.
-
Revelation:
-
Revelation 6:12-14: "I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place."
-
Revelation 8:12: "The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night."
-
-
Amos:
- Amos 5:18-20: "Woe to you who long for the day of the Lord! Why do you long for the day of the Lord? That day will be darkness, not light. It will be as though a man fled from a lion only to meet a bear, as though he entered his house and rested his hand on the wall only to have a snake bite him. Will not the day of the Lord be darkness, not light—pitch-dark, without a ray of brightness?"
-
Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24):
- Matthew 24:29: "Immediately after the distress of those days 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'"
(Here are some other OT references using the exact same wording:
-
Isaiah 13:10: "The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light."
-
Isaiah 24:23: "The moon will be dismayed, the sun ashamed; for the LORD Almighty will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and before its elders—with great glory."
-
Isaiah 34:4: "All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree."
-
Ezekiel 32:7-8: "When I snuff you out, I will cover the heavens and darken their stars; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon will not give its light. All the shining lights in the heavens I will darken over you)
It's also worth noting that the apostle John, the author of Revelation, often draws his imagery from the Jewish Old Testament. The Old Testament serves as a key that unlocks the meaning of many symbols and visions in Revelation
Given this context, what are your thoughts on the gap between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel’s prophecy? Do you see scriptural support for the idea that we are currently in that gap, and that the 70th week will be fulfilled during the time of Jacob’s trouble or the great tribulation?