Nowhere in the Constitution do I see a Right for a State to secede

The British king didn't thing the colonists had a right to secede, either.

Declaration of Independence declares that ALL people have a right to alter or to abolish their government, whenever their government is abusing them.

If you disagree with that, then you side with the tyrants.

States are not independent nations

States actually ARE independent governments. Each passes its own laws. They have, however, granted a part of their sovereignty over to the federal government, to act as their agent for international and a few internal issues, which the States determined (rightly or wrongly) would be beneficial for one voice.

The same is true of the European Union -- many countries ("states") joined together to have one voice on certain issues. Of course, we can see that all that did was attract a monstrous, tyrannical group of people who want to be dictators over the People of Europe.

The same has happened in the USA.

So, maybe it wasn't such a good idea.

But it is what it is.

If we didn't have a federal government at all, we probably would have been at war with each other before 1861.

Nevertheless, each State is definitely its own country, subject only to allowing the federal government to have LIMITED powers over ENUMERATED subjects.

I would be thrilled if the sheeple awoke and turned into citizens, and the States reclaimed their rights and protected their citizens from blatant government overreach.

Yes, that is what is needed.

Let's not forget:

"That to secure the blessings of liberty, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the People to alter or to abolish it." -- Declaration of Independence

Nowhere in the Constitution do I see a Right for a State to secede

The British king didn't thing the colonists had a right to secede, either.

Declaration of Independence declares that ALL people have a right to alter or to abolish their government, whenever their government is abusing them.

If you disagree with that, then you side with the tyrants.

States are not independent nations

States actually ARE independent governments. Each passes its own laws. They have, however, granted a part of their sovereignty over to the federal government, to act as their agent for international and a few internal issues, which the States determined (rightly or wrongly) would be beneficial for one voice.

The same is true of the European Union -- many countries ("states") joined together to have one voice on certain issues. Of course, we can see that all that did was attract a monstrous, tyrannical group of people who want to be dictators over the People of Europe.

The same has happened in the USA.

So, maybe it wasn't such a good idea.

But it is what it is.

If we didn't have a federal government at all, we probably would have been at war with each other before 1861.

Nevertheless, each State is definitely its own country, subject only to allowing the federal government to have LIMITED powers over ENUMERATED subjects.

I would be thrilled if the sheeple awoke and turned into citizens, and the States reclaimed their rights and protected their citizens from blatant government overreach.

Yes, that is what is needed.

That to secure the blessings of liberty, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the People to alter or to abolish it.

Nowhere in the Constitution do I see a Right for a State to secede

The British king didn't thing the colonists had a right to secede, either.

Declaration of Independence declares that ALL people have a right to alter or to abolish their government, whenever their government is abusing them.

If you disagree with that, then you side with the tyrants.

States are not independent nations

States actually ARE independent governments. Each passes its own laws. They have, however, granted a part of their sovereignty over to the federal government, to act as their agent for international and a few internal issues, which the States determined (rightly or wrongly) would be beneficial for one voice.

The same is true of the European Union -- many countries ("states") joined together to have one voice on certain issues. Of course, we can see that all that did was attract a monstrous, tyrannical group of people who want to be dictators over the People of Europe.

The same has happened in the USA.

So, maybe it wasn't such a good idea.

But it is what it is.

If that had not happened, we probably would have been at war with each other before 1861.

Nevertheless, each State is definitely its own country, subject only to allowing the federal government to have LIMITED powers over ENUMERATED subjects.

I would be thrilled if the sheeple awoke and turned into citizens, and the States reclaimed their rights and protected their citizens from blatant government overreach.

Yes, that is what is needed.

That to secure the blessings of liberty, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the People to alter or to abolish it.

Nowhere in the Constitution do I see a Right for a State to secede

The British king didn't thing the colonists had a right to secede, either.

Declaration of Independence declares that ALL people have a right to alter or to abolish their government, whenever their government is abusing them.

If you disagree with that, then you side with the tyrants.

States are not independent nations

States actually ARE independent governments. Each passes its own laws. They have, however, granted a part of their sovereignty over to the federal government, to act as their agent for international and a few internal issues, which the States determined (rightly or wrongly) would be beneficial for one voice.

The same is true of the European Union -- many countries ("states") joined together to have one voice on certain issues. Of course, we can see that all that did was attract a monstrous, tyrannical group of people who want to be dictators over the People of Europe.

The same has happened in the USA.

So, maybe it wasn't such a good idea.

But it is what it is.

Nevertheless, each State is definitely its own country, subject only to allowing the federal government to have LIMITED powers over ENUMERATED subjects.

I would be thrilled if the sheeple awoke and turned into citizens, and the States reclaimed their rights and protected their citizens from blatant government overreach.

Yes, that is what is needed.

That to secure the blessings of liberty, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the People to alter or to abolish it.