We have a lot of different kinds of people here. Some Christians, some athiests, some spiritually dead, culturally christian people.

I think for me, I ask myself here, What it takes to make a movement conformant to Christ?

That means asking others to...

1.) Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, with all your strength, and the second command is like it, "Loving your neighbor as you love yourself" on this hang the law and the prophets.

• After all, I don't want others to denigrate my race, my people, that means urging others to use speech that doesn't demean others. Calling people names, racial slurs, etc, is something you have to be willing to call out.

A lot of people don't really want to hear that. I think people want to believe they are good people, better than the enemy, and I think you can't be a Christian movement without the Church.

So if you cannot be a Christian movement, without the Church, the Church is required by mandate of God to police behavior. So many people would naturally reject this, being that they are either culturally Christian, goats among sheep, spiritually dead, and indistinguishable from the lost in behavior. In love with the world, languishing in the pleasures, unholy, of common behavior. I used to be this way myself. Otherwise, they may not care about God, but have a value system that is built on ego, where the desire to protect, does not come from genuine love, or valuation of another, but helps the individual derive a sense of value from it, it's love of self, instead of love of others. I would argue that this violates the 1st and 2nd Commandments implicitly, as one both fashions him/herself as God in their own lives, making and molding their own likeness into the judge of others, and the decider of righteousness. These types of self-first doctrines, comprise agnostic, pagan, gnostic, and atheists beliefs. Consider the archetypal redditor. Staunchly atheistic, or one who typically believes in some mix of eastern philosophy; at the center of it all, is self. One believes they have the right to both determine what is or is not right or wrong (something that belongs strictly to God.) but also that they have a full right to apply that others.

TL;DR: IMO, there can be no Christian movement without the Church, and the Church must, by commandment of Christ, practice discernment, discipline, and excommunication to ensure that the body of Christ is not become corrupt. This means telling a lot of people who enjoy and make a practice of censorious judgement, that they can't do that.

FWIW: I hope the greatawakening can be, but I think we have to be the change we want to see.

We have a lot of different kinds of people here. Some Christians, some athiests, some spiritually dead, culturally christian people.

I think for me, I ask myself here, What it takes to make a movement conformant to Christ?

That means asking others to...

1.) Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, with all your strength, and the second command is like it, "Loving your neighbor as you love yourself" on this hang the law and the prophets.

• After all, I don't want others to denigrate my race, my people, that means urging others to use speech that doesn't demean others. Calling people names, racial slurs, etc, is something you have to be willing to call out.

A lot of people don't really want to hear that. I think people want to believe they are good people, better than the enemy, and I think you can't be a Christian movement without the Church.

So if you cannot be a Christian movement, without the Church, the Church is required by mandate of God to police behavior. So many people would naturally reject this, being that they are either culturally Christian, goats among sheep, spiritually dead, and indistinguishable from the lost in behavior. In love with the world, languishing in the pleasures, unholy, of common behavior. I used to be this way myself. Otherwise, they may not care about God, but have a value system that is built on ego, where the desire to protect, does not come from genuine love, or valuation of another, but helps the individual derive a sense of value from it, it's love of self, instead of love of others, these comprise agnostic, pagan, gnostic, and atheists participants.

TL;DR: IMO, there can be no Christian movement without the Church, and the Church must, by commandment of Christ, practice discernment, discipline, and excommunication to ensure that the body of Christ is not become corrupt. This means telling a lot of people who enjoy and make a practice of censorious judgement, that they can't do that.

FWIW: I hope the greatawakening can be, but I think we have to be the change we want to see.

We have a lot of different kinds of people here. Some Christians, some athiests, some spiritually dead, culturally christian people.

I think for me, I ask myself here, What it takes to make a movement conformant to Christ?

That means asking others to...

1.) Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, with all your strength, and the second command is like it, "Loving your neighbor as you love yourself" on this hang the law and the prophets.

• After all, I don't want others to denigrate my race, my people, that means urging others to use speech that doesn't demean others. Calling people names, racial slurs, etc, is something you have to be willing to call out.

A lot of people don't really want to hear that. I think people want to believe they are good people, better than the enemy, and I think you can't be a Christian movement without the Church.

So if you cannot be a Christian movement, without the Church, the Church is required by mandate of God to police behavior. So many people would naturally reject this, being that they are either culturally Christian, goats among sheep, spiritually dead, and indistinguishable from the lost in behavior. In love with the world, languishing in the pleasures, unholy, of common behavior. I used to be this way myself. Otherwise, they may not care about God, but have a value system that is built on ego, where the desire to protect, does not come from genuine love, or valuation of another, but helps the individual derive a sense of value from it, it's love of self, instead of love of others, these comprise agnostic, pagan, gnostic, and atheists participants.

TL;DR: IMO, there can be no Christian movement without the Church, and the Church must, by commandment of Christ, practice discernment, discipline, and excommunication to ensure that the body of Christ is not become corrupt. This means telling a lot of people who enjoy and make a practice of censorious judgement, that they can't do that.

FWIW: I hope the greatawakening can be, but I think we have to be the change we want to see.

We have a lot of different kinds of people here. Some Christians, some athiests, some spiritually dead, culturally christian people.

I think for me, I ask myself here, What it takes to make a movement conformant to Christ?

That means asking others to...

1.) Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, with all your strength, and the second command is like it, "Loving your neighbor as you love yourself" on this hang the law and the prophets.

• After all, I don't want others to denigrate my race, my people, that means urging others to use speech that doesn't demean others. Calling people names, racial slurs, etc, is something you have to be willing to call out.

A lot of people don't really want to hear that. I think people want to believe they are good people, better than the enemy, and I think you can't be a Christian movement without the Church.

So if you cannot be a Christian movement, without the Church, the Church is required by mandate of God to police behavior. So many people would naturally reject this, being that they are either culturally Christian, goats among sheep, spiritually dead, and indistinguishable from the lost in behavior. In love with the world, languishing in the pleasures, unholy, of common behavior. I used to be this way myself. Otherwise, they may not care about God, but have a value system that is built on ego, where the desire to protect, does not come from genuine love, or valuation of another, but helps the individual derive a sense of value from it, it's love of self, instead of love of others, these comprise agnostic, pagan, gnostic, and atheists participants.

TL;DR: IMO, there can be no Christian movement without the Church, and the Church must, by commandment of Christ, practice discernment, discipline, and excommunication to ensure that the body of Christ is not become corrupt. This means telling a lot of people who enjoy and make a practice of censorious judgement, that they can't do that.

#FWIW: I hope the greatawakening can be, but I think we have to be the change we want to see.

We have a lot of different kinds of people here. Some Christians, some athiests, some spiritually dead, culturally christian people.

I think for me, I ask myself here, What it takes to make a movement conformant to Christ?

That means asking others to...

1.) Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, with all your strength, and the second command is like it, "Loving your neighbor as you love yourself" on this hang the law and the prophets.

• After all, I don't want others to denigrate my race, my people, that means urging others to use speech that doesn't demean others. Calling people names, racial slurs, etc, is something you have to be willing to call out.

A lot of people don't really want to hear that. I think people want to believe they are good people, better than the enemy, and I think you can't be a Christian movement without the Church.

So if you cannot be a Christian movement, without the Church, the Church is required by mandate of God to police behavior. So many people would naturally reject this, being that they are either culturally Christian, goats among sheep, spiritually dead, and indistinguishable from the lost in behavior. In love with the world, languishing in the pleasures, unholy, of common behavior. I used to be this way myself. Otherwise, they may not care about God, but have a value system that is built on ego, where the desire to protect, does not come from genuine love, or valuation of another, but helps the individual derive a sense of value from it, it's love of self, instead of love of others, these comprise agnostic, pagan, gnostic, and atheists participants.

TL;DR: IMO, there can be no Christian movement without the Church, and the Church must, by commandment of Christ, practice discernment, discipline, and excommunication to ensure that the body of Christ is not become corrupt. This means telling a lot of people who enjoy and make a practice of censorious judgement, that they can't do that.

FWIW: I hope the greatawakening can be, but I think we have to be the change we want to see.

We have a lot of different kinds of people here. Some Christians, some athiests, some spiritually dead, culturally christian people.

I think for me, I ask myself here, What it takes to make a movement conformant to Christ?

That means asking others to...

1.) Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, with all your strength, and the second command is like it, "Loving your neighbor as you love yourself" on this hang the law and the prophets.

• After all, I don't want others to denigrate my race, my people, that means urging others to use speech that doesn't demean others. Calling people names, racial slurs, etc, is something you have to be willing to call out.

A lot of people don't really want to hear that. I think people want to believe they are good people, better than the enemy, and I think you can't be a Christian movement without the Church.

So if you cannot be a Christian movement, without the Church, the Church is required by mandate of God to police behavior. So many people would naturally reject this, being that they are either culturally Christian, goats among sheep, spiritually dead, and indistinguishable from the lost in behavior. In love with the world, languishing in the pleasures, unholy, of common behavior. I used to be this way myself. Otherwise, they may not care about God, but have a value system that is built on ego, where the desire to protect, does not come from genuine love, or valuation of another, but helps the individual derive a sense of value from it, it's love of self, instead of love of others, these comprise agnostic, pagan, gnostic, and atheists participants.

TL;DR: IMO, there can be no Christian movement without the Church, and the Church must, by commandment of Christ, practice discernment, discipline, and excommunication to ensure that the body of Christ is not become corrupt.