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You've touched on many, many points, and firstly, its a great post, inasmuch as you've given a very broad overview of some of your views and ideas and conclusions.

Note: The reason the last 4 Q posts aren't showing up is that there is a feature in the coding that only the first 3 q posts referenced in a post via the u/ + # + q1111 method show up. No idea WHY that is, but it is a recognized fact.

As I mentioned, there are so many points here, and I personally feel the real value of your post is not so much that all the ideas you express are necessarily 'true', but rather the sharing of them IS valuable, as you're creating an opportunity for pedes to reflect on or share their own ideas and beliefs, some of which will obviously resonate with many of yours.

I think this point is vital. Was it Aristotle who said "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it". I think here we might substitute "educated" for mature, trained.

One of the very good points I think that Mr. Suich makes in the video is that people's NDEs are often vastly different and unique, but with many commonalities. He offers a reason for that, and whether his reasoning is correct or not, the fact stands.

This principle is a reflection of our experience with God and all reality in general. In my understanding, the spiritual world is a different dimension to the material world, and where the material world is an objective world, experienced objectively via the physical senses, the spiritual dimension is a subjective world, where the condition of our mind and heart shapes directly what we perceive and how we perceive it.

This is why there are so many different explanations for what people have perceived spiritually, including the different faiths and religions.

On lower levels, contradictions appear, but that is because the vantage point - aka the level of spiritual maturity of the observer - is limited. So a spiritual mind with E level of maturity will observe and perceive E level perspective and view, and report it likewise, forming the basis for faiths and religious teaching, but a spiritual mind with C level of maturity will observer and perceive C level perspective and view, and report it likewise.

With a nod to Christians and those who have faith in Christ, one of whom I count myself, I like to remind the faithful that Jesus is recorded as saying "I have many truths to teach you but you cannot bear them now." Can we interpret this possibly because the people of Jesus time were not open or mature enough in spirit to be able to even grasp what he knew or understood?

Likewise, St. Paul himself wrote "For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known." directly referencing a time in the future when Paul himself, and other faithful, would see things more clearly and directly, which also clearly indicates that Paul himself recognized that his understanding of Christ and the mysteries of the Providence, etc, was limited.

It seems to me that an incredibly important and fundamental realization that all Christian faithful must have is that our understanding is limited. Thus, we must not assume that we understand or know everything. We should be open to learning, lest we repeat the mistakes of the Israelites and fail to grasp our purpose and God's plan for us when the time of OUR visitation is at hand, aka when Christ returns.

Otherwise, we may well find ourselves repeating their mistake, and becoming one of those Christ warned us against: "Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!"

The israelite leaders were diligent in their practice of the law inherited from Moses, but they still failed to recognize and receive Jesus. Christians must be wary of being overly confident in what we think we know. Instead, we should always focus on a living relationship with God and Christ, with having a heart open to God teaching us, in humility, and this may include information that contradicts certain doctrinal views inherited from the past - clearly partial and limited views.

I personally view NDEs as part of a providence by God to educate us much more clearly about the nature of the eternal world and the relationship between our material life and the spiritual life.

While we humans have managed to plumb the very depths of understanding of the material world, down to the sub-atomic and pre-molecular level, our understanding of the nature of the spiritual world, how it operates, by what laws and principle, etc, how our spirits grow or are impeded from growing, etc, our collective understanding of such things in still in the dark ages by comparison. We have an idea of basic principles, but our grasp of spiritual reality is still very similar to Paul's time.

My own conviction is that the Great Awakening will unfold firstly in the material dimension, as collectively humanity wakes up to the evil and the mechanisms evil has used to subvert, undermine and block our connection to God, and then secondly in the spiritual dimension, where our collective understanding will be raised to an unprecedented level, the level Jesus wanted to share but could not (at that time) and the level Paul describes when he says "I will know, even as I am known". Who knew Paul most? God and Jesus. So when Paul comes to understand himself, when we come to understand ourselves even as God understands and knows us, we will have truly arrived.

I think it's likely many of these ideas will resonate with the OP, even if expressed in different terms.

1 year ago
1 score
Reason: Original

You've touched on many, many points, and firstly, its a great post, inasmuch as you've given a very broad overview of some of your views and ideas and conclusions.

Note: The reason the last 4 Q posts aren't showing up is that there is a feature in the coding that only the first 3 q posts referenced in a post via the u/ + # + q1111 method show up. No idea WHY that is, but it is a recognized fact.

As I mentioned, there are so many points here, and I personally feel the real value of your post is not so much that all the ideas you express are necessarily 'true', but rather the sharing of them IS valuable, as you're creating an opportunity for pedes to reflect on or share their own ideas and beliefs, some of which will obviously resonate with many of yours.

I think this point is vital. Was it Aristotle who said "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it". I think here we might substitute "educated" for mature, trained.

One of the very good points I think that Mr. Suich makes in the video is that people's NDEs are often vastly different and unique, but with many commonalities. He offers a reason for that, and whether his reasoning is correct or not, the fact stands.

This principle is a reflection of our experience with God and all reality in general. In my understanding, the spiritual world is a different dimension to the material world, and where the material world is an objective world, experienced objectively via the physical senses, the spiritual dimension is a subjective world, where the condition of our mind and heart shapes directly what we perceive and how we perceive it.

This is why there are so many different explanations for what people have perceived spiritually, including the different faiths and religions.

On lower levels, contradictions appear, but that is because the vantage point - aka the level of spiritual maturity of the observer - is limited. So a spiritual mind with E level of maturity will observe and perceive E level perspective and view, and report it likewise, forming the basis for faiths and religious teaching, but a spiritual mind with C level of maturity will observer and perceive C level perspective and view, and report it likewise.

With a nod to Christians and those who have faith in Christ, one of whom I count myself, I like to remind the faithful that Jesus is recorded as saying "I have many truths to teach you but you cannot bear them now." Can we interpret this possibly because the people of Jesus time were not open or mature enough in spirit to be able to even grasp what he knew or understood?

Likewise, St. Paul himself wrote "For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known." directly referencing a time in the future when Paul himself, and other faithful, would see things more clearly and directly, which also clearly indicates that Paul himself recognized that his understanding of Christ and the mysteries of the Providence, etc, was limited.

It seems to me that an incredibly important and fundamental realization that all Christian faithful must have is that our understanding is limited. Thus, we must not assume that we understand or know everything. We should be open to learning, lest we repeat the mistakes of the Israelites and fail to grasp our purpose and God's plan for us when the time of OUR visitation is at hand, aka when Christ returns.

Otherwise, we may well find ourselves repeating their mistake, and becoming one of those Christ warned us against: "Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!"

The israelite leaders were diligent in their practice of the law inherited from Moses, but they still failed to recognize and receive Jesus. Christians must be wary of being overly confident in what we think we know. Instead, we should always focus on a living relationship with God, with having a heart open to God teaching us, in humility, and this may include certain doctrinal views inherited from the past - clearly partial and limited views.

I personally view NDEs as part of a providence by God to educate us much more clearly about the nature of the eternal world and the relationship between our material life and the spiritual life.

While we humans have managed to plumb the very depths of understanding of the material world, down to the sub-atomic and pre-molecular level, our understanding of the nature of the spiritual world, how it operates, by what laws and principle, etc, how our spirits grow or are impeded from growing, etc, our collective understanding of such things in still in the dark ages by comparison. We have an idea of basic principles, but our grasp of spiritual reality is still very similar to Paul's time.

My own conviction is that the Great Awakening will unfold firstly in the material dimension, as collectively humanity wakes up to the evil and the mechanisms evil has used to subvert, undermine and block our connection to God, and then secondly in the spiritual dimension, where our collective understanding will be raised to an unprecedented level, the level Jesus wanted to share but could not (at that time) and the level Paul describes when he says "I will know, even as I am known". Who knew Paul most? God and Jesus. So when Paul comes to understand himself, when we come to understand ourselves even as God understands and knows us, we will have truly arrived.

I think it's likely many of these ideas will resonate with the OP, even if expressed in different terms.

1 year ago
1 score