Wait, are you saying that the people who call themselves Sovereign Citizens (and who have chat boards to discuss how to win court cases and get their mortgages waved and other such things) are psyops? That they don't believe what they say?
What about the people who go to court, claiming that they are Sovereign Citizens and the courts have no jurisdiction on them? For anything from a speeding ticket to running your car into a crowd and killing six people. You know the Darrell Brooks case, right? They're all not real?
Because I have spent quite a bit of time talking to people on those chat boards, and on Facebook (before I dumped it), and on YouTube, and wherever else they popped up.
And what you're saying now doesn't really line up with what I've been hearing from them for years.
You seem to be trying to make Sovereign Citizen stuff only about piddly ass things like getting pulled over for a broken tail light or expired tags.
And from my experience with all those people claiming to be Sovereign Citizens over the past, damn, almost 20 years now (god, I'm getting old), it applies to pretty much everything.
By any chance, was your experience in the court case you mentioned earlier because of a traffic or parking violation?
Edited to add: Let me give some context here.
In 2005 people who called themselves Sovereign Citizens broke into my family's beach house and declared it was theirs because it had been abandoned and was vacant. It was not our primary residence, so duh it was vacant in February.
They squatted in it until we found out and tried to get them out of the house. They pulled all the stunts they could to stay. Stunts which are shared on chat boards and Facebook groups that people like them go to.
We won in the end. Duh, because like I've said, their silly mumbo jumbo doesn't work in court. But we were left with tens of thousands of dollars in lawyers bills and much more than that in the damage they did to the house.
Not to mention the theft or destruction of irreplaceable family heirlooms that went back three generations.
So that's when my interest in, and extreme dislike of, Sovereign Citizen crap began. And I spent a shit ton of time learning about them.
And it's why I try to warn people when I see posts like the OP here. Because nothing good comes out of that cesspool.
Wait, are you saying that the people who call themselves Sovereign Citizens (and who have chat boards to discuss how to win court cases and get their mortgages waved and other such things) are psyops? That they don't believe what they say?
What about the people who go to court, claiming that they are Sovereign Citizens and the courts have no jurisdiction on them? For anything from a speeding ticket to running your car into a crowd and killing six people. You know the Darrell Brooks case, right? They're all not real?
Because I have spent quite a bit of time talking to people on those chat boards, and on Facebook (before I dumped it), and on YouTube, and wherever else they popped up.
And what you're saying now doesn't really line up with what I've been hearing from them for years.
You seem to be trying to make Sovereign Citizen stuff only about piddly ass things like getting pulled over for a broken tail light or expired tags.
And from my experience with all those people claiming to be Sovereign Citizens over the past, damn, almost 20 years now (god, I'm getting old), it applies to pretty much everything.
By any chance, was your experience in the court case you mentioned earlier because of a traffic or parking violation?
Edited to add: Let me give some context here.
In 2005 people who called themselves Sovereign Citizens broke into my family's beach house and declared it was theirs because it had been abandoned and was vacant. It was not our primary residence, so duh it was vacant in February.
They squatted in it until we found out and tried to get them out of the house. They pulled all the stunts they could to stay. Stunts which are shared on chat boards and Facebook groups that people like them go to.
We won in the end. Duh, because like I've said, their silly mumbo jumbo doesn't work in court. But we were left with tens of thousands of dollars in lawyers bills and much more than that in the damage they did to the house.
Not to mention the theft or destruction of irreplaceable family heirlooms that went back three generations.
So that's when my interest in, and extreme dislike of, Sovereign Citizen crap began. And I spent a shit ton of time learning about them.
And it's why I try to warn people when I see posts like the OP here. Because nothing good comes out of that cesspool.
Wait, are you saying that the people who call themselves Sovereign Citizens (and who have chat boards to discuss how to win court cases and get their mortgages waved and other such things) are psyops? That they don't believe what they say?
What about the people who go to court, claiming that they are Sovereign Citizens and the courts have no jurisdiction on them? For anything from a speeding ticket to running your car into a crowd and killing six people. You know the Darrell Brooks case, right? They're all not real?
Because I have spent quite a bit of time talking to people on those chat boards, and on Facebook (before I dumped it), and on YouTube, and wherever else they popped up.
And what you're saying now doesn't really line up with what I've been hearing from them for years.
You seem to be trying to make Sovereign Citizen stuff only about piddly ass things like getting pulled over for a broken tail light or expired tags.
And from my experience with all those people claiming to be Sovereign Citizens over the past, damn, almost 20 years now (god, I'm getting old), it applies to pretty much everything.
By any chance, was your experience in the court case you mentioned earlier because of a traffic or parking violation?
Wait, are you saying that the people who call themselves Sovereign Citizens (and who have chat boards to discuss how to win court cases and get their mortgages waved and other such things) are psyops? That they don't believe what they say?
What about the people who go to court, claiming that they are Sovereign Citizens and the courts have no jurisdiction on them? For anything from a speeding ticket to running your car into a crowd and killing four people. You know the Darrell Brooks case, right? They're all not real?
Because I have spent quite a bit of time talking to people on those chat boards, and on Facebook (before I dumped it), and on YouTube, and wherever else they popped up.
And what you're saying now doesn't really line up with what I've been hearing from them for years.
You seem to be trying to make Sovereign Citizen stuff only about piddly ass things like getting pulled over for a broken tail light or expired tags.
And from my experience with all those people claiming to be Sovereign Citizens over the past, damn, almost 20 years now (god, I'm getting old), it applies to pretty much everything.
By any chance, was your experience in the court case you mentioned earlier because of a traffic or parking violation?