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ScientistsSeekTruth 3 points ago +3 / -0

My pleasure! As per the FDA and CDC definitions, a “vaccine” must satisfy 2 main objectives:

1; it must: suppress symptoms or slow or stop infection

2; it must: slow, suppress, or stop transmission of the virus

These gene therapies offer no potential of # 2, nor do the pharma companies claim that they would. Their only claim is that there is potential for their products to allow some immunity building which may result in less severe symptoms or blocking of infection possibly.

Another key point is that they are using the argument or “Herd Immunity” as support for why everyone needs to volunteer for their costly experiment. Well, if these gene therapies offer zero protection from transmission, then the entire “Herd Immunity” argument fails. The idea with Herd Immunity is that the vaccinated population or naturally immune persons in said population, would lower the chance of infection for the unvaccinated or non-immune.... because these other folks would stop the virus within their own bodies or would slow or suppress transmission and flatten any curve or send it into a downward infection trend.

So, since these only suggest to satisfy #1, that’s why I say ~50%. There is so much public deception— even deception to the medical professionals trusting Pharma and the FDA. If these medical providers on the front lines are really as busy and lacking sleep/overworked as we are told they are.. then how can we expect that they’ve had the time to dig deep into the leer-reviewed papers of the historic mRNA “vaccine” animal research, or look at all the recent data and do the heavy lifting of scientific research. If they did, they’d see that most of the recent published papers that look favorable for mRNA technology for use as vaccines, are written by the employees of Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTECH, or hold pending or active patents for mRNA tech that can be used in the same way Moderna/P&B/ J&J et. al, are using it.

As for the pathogen creation:: yes. That is how the hypothetical immune training is supposed to occur.

Tiny Lipid envelopes (nanotechnology size: 350-550 nanometers) filled with mRNA codon strands are injected into the body- usually IM or into the muscle. From there they will enter the blood stream and travel all over the body— brain, heart, liver, muscles, etc. Again, these are so small and being lipid, can get through cellular structure walls easily. Once these adhere to a cell, are then taken up by the cell. Once inside, the mRNA strand will be seen by the ribosome and will be used as a “recipe” that will have the cell express a spike protein pathogen. The reason the spike protein is chosen is because that’s how he Cov19 virus gets access to our cells so quickly. The Spike protein is like a hand and our ACE-2 receptors are like a doorknob. So, our cells express (make) this spike protein and attach it to themselves. Basically making themselves decoys for the immune systems The immune system will recognize these spike proteins as pathogens that shouldn’t be in the body, and will launch at attack against them. They will then be on the hunt for any spike proteins found. The intent is that this would include any found on real Covid19 viral bodies if infected. The immune system should have made antibodies for the spike protein, and should hypothetically recognize them in the future- even if they aren’t on your cells but on a virus. This is where things can and have gone very wrong historically. The success rate metric that pharma is claiming is based on the positive outcome of getting cells to express these proteins and possibly for the presence of antibodies to those proteins. It is not a metric of how well these gene therapies effectively aided in suppression of symptoms or stopping of infection and certainly can’t be for anything related to transmission. I’ll state again: they can’t show data for efficacy of these in protection from infection or suppressing of symptoms because those tests have never been done. With social distancing mask wearing guidelines, etc.. it will be longer before we see that many vaccinated come into contact with the wild Covid-19 virus where the real “dice roll” happens. Covid 19 deaths or viral presence is tested using PCR tests with primers looking for Spike proteins. What does a vaccinated person have in their blood for weeks and likely months after vaccination?? Spike proteins.. So the likelihood of vaccine deaths as being reported as Covid-19 deaths is extremely high. In fact, you’d have to prove that someone wasn’t possibly infected with Covid-19 to show that the Spike protein waste material in their PCR test results was not from an actual Covid-19 infection. Since the Cares act allows 20% more payout to providers for diagnosis of a Covid-19 death—— why would you suggest and report otherwise when it will cost you 20% and your practice or clinic or hospital is already bleeding out and has been since last March?? Conflicts abound here.

This is likely to turn into some Hague-level shit if it already isn’t headed in that direction. Spread the word. I’ll see if I can get a root-post going. I’ve been following along on this site for quite a while, but I’m admittedly new to posting. In fact, my reply to you was my first post. I felt it would be important enough to get you that info that I started an account just to make sure you had current information.

As an aside: my own independent research and analysis of data led me to this conclusion before I had even heard of Dr Gold, or any of the many many other Doctors and scientists I’m now finding as having conclusions aligned with my own.

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ScientistsSeekTruth 3 points ago +3 / -0

Actually- they do not. The mRNA gene therapies only allegedly satisfy ~50% of the definition as specifically set forth by the FDA and CDC. This is why you will see a disclaimer by the FDA after the pharma company uses the word “vaccine” in their product name. This is also why we hear the FDA and others referring to these products as vaccines. That is the target for pharma. This also explains how a “vaccine” could bypass 5 years of double blind panel testing and have zero testing involvement by the FDA. You can read this clearly for yourself if going to the FDA website. If you happen to also read page 9 of the 57 page “EUA Decision” document: you’ll see that these are unfinished phase 3 tests and this is an ongoing study. There were no completed phase 4 animal tests or human tests. Phase 4 is where the vaccinated are challenged with wild virus type. This is when things have shown to go very badly for mRNA vaccinated individuals in all prior COMPLETED phase 4 testing with animals. This is also why the FDA has never allowed mRNA gene therapy to be used as a vaccine. MRNA has successfully been used, over the last 10 years or so, for expressing Peptides and other protein tertiary and quaternary structures used for cancer therapies and other protocols. However (and this is the main difference and large cause of concern), none of those expressed proteins code for a pathogen that induces your immune system to attack your own cells as they produce said proteins— in this case, a truncated inert spike protein. It is this distinguishing fact that must be focused on when the counter argument comes in that mRNA has been used successfully for ~10 years. That would be the equivalent of saying that Hydrogen Peroxide has been used safely for decades for: cleaning of teeth, topical would sanitation, and other uses proven safe. Then someone suggests that we should use it for a colon cleanse. You can guess what happens if you drank a bottle of hydrogen peroxide as a colon cleanse. Now, you won’t know if the H2O2 will kill you unless you drink it.. Phase 4 would be drinking the Hydrogen Peroxide.. And tons of doctors and research scientists know from prior completed phase 4 testing on animals— that this won’t end well for those animals. So, the arguments being used by media doctors and others defy logic on many many levels, and they offer many red-herring points in their flawed logic fueled attempts to counter the points being exacted by the concerned Doctors/researchers/etc.

It should not be surprising to hear that both Moderna and BioNTECH are companies whose focus has been on mRNA gene therapy products for those “friendly” Peptide and protein structures. Nor might it be surprising to hear that neither of them have ever produced a vaccine of any type, let alone an mRNA vaccine. BioNTECH was started in 2008 and after a big big injection of cash by the Gates foundation, stock for public trading was offered. That’s just an anecdotal tidbit of info.

The public is being coerced by peer pressure, and/or their employers and society and/or under duress that they might not be able to freely travel— that they should get these gene therapies cleverly named with that “vaccine” word so as to psychologically reinforce that these are somehow related to the 3 conventional types we’ve been used to our whole lives. This is an ongoing experiment and isn’t widely regarded that way on purpose, but that is what it is and it’s in the documentation. But who is going to read a 57 page “decision” document. Well, this scientist is- because that’s what we do and why we have academic standards and protocols for sharing and validation of data and conclusions. I’ll post a couple screenshots of the current FDA page with outlined info of keen interest- if I can here. Otherwise- anyone can go find this information if they are willing to look.