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So, Vaccine 1.0 is a hoax? (threadreaderapp.com)
posted 5 years ago by catsfive 5 years ago by catsfive +91 / -0
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– Join_Or_Die 17 points 5 years ago +17 / -0

People publicly "taking the vaccine" are being given empty syringes and/or collapsable needles.

More troubling was the way these are "developed". I do this for work, and the protocols would never have been accepted as legitimate clinical trials in any other scenario. The FDA would have laughed these out of their building. Plus the actual virus itself had NEVER been isolated and they identified patients using test with an alarmingly high failure rate, so no proof they even gave whatever it is in those syringes to actual "covid patients". The entire thing is suspect to anybody with a modicum of commone sense.

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– AusSentinel 9 points 5 years ago +9 / -0

They isolated the virus here in Australia. In theory MRNA vaccines should be superior to antigen vaccines that often stimulate the wrong kind of immune response. That's consistent with seeing strong adverse reactions. The problem is we have just witnessed a massive conspiracy both with HCQ and now the election coup. So no way in hell I take this at the moment. (And I'm mostly pro vaccine)

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– Join_Or_Die 7 points 5 years ago +7 / -0

I hate to be that guy, but please provide the literature that demonstrates pure isolation of the virus itself, not rna sequences or antibodies/proteins associated with the virus. To my knowledge, the virus in its entirety has not been isolated. But we all know the vaccines were being developed a year ago when they were given the genetic sequence for this thing before they released it. Drug development does not happen this fast, particularly on a "novel" pathogen.

And for the record, I am not an anti-vaccer. I'm anti-this-vaccine.

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– AusSentinel 8 points 5 years ago +8 / -0

https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2020/212/10/isolation-and-rapid-sharing-2019-novel-coronavirus-sars-cov-2-first-patient It was big news here in Aussie land but probably didn't make it your way. Plus it was originally referred to as novel CV before it got its official name, so its not picked up by searches.

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– Join_Or_Die 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

I appreciate you providing that. I've never seen it announced over here.

But here is the problem with it, and it could be semantics...

"Inoculation of Vero/hSLAM cells with material from the nasopharyngeal swab led to the isolation of SARS‐CoV‐2 virus in culture. Electron microscopy of the supernatant confirmed the presence of virus particles with morphology characteristic of viruses of the family Coronaviridae."

Isolated in culture means it's still in a soup. And they "confirmed" it by idenitfying particles characteristic of the Coronaviridae family".

The literature I have read, and that could also be biased, too, stands by the claim that the virus itself has not been singularly isolated, just parts of it (rna strands or proteins found in most coronavirus strains...ie: the common cold).

This is one of the main reasons it is so difficult to test for it reliably. They rely on the presence of rna strands that need to be amplified to "prove" the virus is present. Anybody with a common cold a year before the test can theoretically come back "positive to Covid-19" if they amplify the test enough (sometimes on the order of 10 x43 power). If they had the virus, the test would be definitive

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– AusSentinel 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

Also of the 3 vaccines I'd probably go the Oxford. There's a reason the Russians stole it. Still slight chances of autoimmune complications from the carrier virus and made using cell culture which some people dislike. Moderna over fizer even if it looked like a self promotion scam initially. Otherwise Vit D and sleep if your low risk and don't want to risk it. (Wise choice IMO)

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– VetforTrump 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

Yes theybare. Even bidens shot went n in faster than a tranquilizer dart. I the shots several times a week. I cN never unloaD the needle that fast

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– dixieleeanon 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Yeah I think it's a lie. They don't want to give him credit so their not giving out "the vaccine". Just saline or nothing

Are these documents their agreements anywhere online to be looked over.

Cuz personally I think "if" this is a thing (covid-19) & his "warp speed" worked NOO WAAYY they allow him to take credit. So if they hold off they can give it to creepy

"If" it isn't a thing (Covid-19) then most prob any "vaccine" is just another mad scientist Vaxx whatever they make won't work regardless. But they wouldn't want that exposed so resistance to "warp speed" wound be suicide professionally. And so same end pretend, hold off, no credit, & wait for creepy. Once he's in office (which won't happen) he'll force vaccines on everyone.

Either scenario they think we dumb cult followers need to be taken down a notch. & If pushing/rushing "Science" to the point of bad medicine just to make himself look good even if people die isn't a good enough reason to turn out backs on him then nothing is. Meaning we are truely dirtbags who deserves the worst of punishment in the eyes of fellow Americans.

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– Luther1521 12 points 5 years ago +12 / -0

All vaccines are hoax to some degree. Are you aware that no vaccine manufacturers can be held viable for injuries their products cause you? it's a special exemption given to them by congress. they also do not have to be double-blind tested against a placebo, because if they did, none of them would ever make it to market.

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– Luther1521 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

The Highwire with Del Bigtree is a good place to start learning about vaccines.

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– AusSentinel 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Live attenuated virus vaccines are good but are dangerous to anyone immunocompromised. Antigen vaccines often have low efficacy and can trigger immune dysfunction. They have recently figured out that taking MMR last can fix your immune system after the shit vaccines messed it up. MMR halves all cause mortality while some vaccines have now been shown to increase mortality in some instances.

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– AusSentinel 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

The immune system has two branches so to speak. The TH1 system fights intracellular parasites like viruses, while the Th2 system extracellular parasites like bacteria. So live vaccines trigger the correct TH1 antiviral response (T killer cells) while antigen vaccine (flu/Dtp) push the immune system towards a TH2 response. The antigen vaccines cause the problem, but the live vaccines can dial back the immune system to the TH1/ neutral setting long term. Severe covid is caused by an inappropriate TH2 immune response. Basically the body produces IgG antibodies that stimulate monocytes to release cytokines and toxic compounds that damage the tissues. In a normal antiviral response antibodies are suppressed so that T-cells can selectively kill all the infected cells first. The initial IgM antibodies don't cause a cytokine storm as they lack the immune cell binding site. As you age your TH1 response goes to shit, while children have triple the T-cells as adults as they are constantly facing novel pathogens that adults have prior immunity too. This virus is less dangerous than flu which often kills children. Its just that its novel and thus dangerous to anyone with th1 deficiency. You need Vit D, zinc, and sleep for proper function.

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– bombayks 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577?query=featured_home

This is the covid vaccine phase 3 study paper. To my layman eyes it looks like it’s double blind and placebo controlled. Am I missing something or misinterpreting?

I’m not going to be taking the vaccine because I’m young and healthy and already had covid with mild symptoms. I’m just curious to hear more about your thoughts on this vaccine and vaccines in general

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– Join_Or_Die 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

That is the abbreviated CSR. Neither that nor the actual study protocol tell you what the actual investigational product is composed of aside from mentioning proprietary technology borrowed from a German lab, which they don't get into at all in the protocol. The protocol is THE document used to conduct all aspects of the trial, you don't leave the descritpion of the drug out, nor do you tell people to reference other literature to find out what the drug is. And the NEJM is compromised. It is no longer an unbiased scientific publication.

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– RichyT 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

Someone a few weeks ago at my VA hospital told me if I just got the flu shot, don't get a covid test, you'll show positive most likely. I think the testing maybe is full of crap too. Maybe why so many positives have no symptoms and it is just more like a bad flu.

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– AusSentinel 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

True story, they found ancient DNA from insects trapped in amber. Then some one sequenced the DNA and realised it came from a tuna sandwich!

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– T10166 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

I wish I had the ability to play god, deleting good content, and posting content from 3rd party sites with questionable intel, and then stickying it to the front page....

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– VetforTrump 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Tbier paperwork is useless. If they did it on purpose they're done.

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– nc777 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

The defected doctor from china dr. Li-Meng Yan said the first vaxx could just be saline.

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– IntegrityCritical 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

So why is Trump still so in favor of vaccines?

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– Join_Or_Die 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

We see now that their plan for the Great Reset involved the virus...cause fear, stoke panic, crush small business, make people more reliant on the Central Bank. If the vaccine worked (which was not supposed to be attributed to Trump in any way, hence the release after Biden "won" the election), then they could have rolled it out slowly to continue destroying our economy. It was never meant to treat anything, as the virus is not deadly. Your immune system is more effective than whatever this is, and there are therapeutics available to treat the illness.

But now that the "vaccine" is out, they needed another tactic. Covid 2.0 is being unveiled in the UK...a mutation, a different strain, more dangerous, blah blah...so this vaccine is moot. They can start all over again with lockdowns, panic, etc.

In my opinion, that's how this ties to Q in some way. The Great Reset needed to be reset since Trump hasn't gone away yet. And he can't.

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