I am a Q supporter and non-charismatic evangelical Christian—a lay person with probably above average Bible knowledge. I previously wrote about reconciling my evangelical beliefs with Q, assuming that the Q story holds true.
Link to part 2: Logical Conclusions via Christian world-view
Link to part 1: Initial discernment re: Q and Christian beliefs
Please upvote and comment on my previous threads and this thread if you find value in the respective threads so that more people can read and contribute.
For this thread, I want to think about parallels between the Q story and stories in the Bible. Please post and comment with your parallels too as, together, I believe our Bible knowledge and world observation is greater! See if we can get this trending so it can encourage more brothers and sisters who share the same beliefs as us.
First to give you my assumptions of Q in a summary (copied from part 2 of my writings):
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Q is a US Military Operation. Behind this Military Operation is actually God working in a significant capacity. Spiritual warfare is also a significant part of this. This spiritual part is inferred from what JFK said about the reason for Special Ops.
In the end of this Q chapter that we're in (~early 2021), the general whole world population will come to the realization of:
- the wickedness that we've been ignorant of in the world.
- the general liberation of victims and the world of that wickedness.
- the nearness of the spiritual world that is so much closer than we normally thought.
- the prophetic-like manner of Q-drops and the precision and fulfillment.
- the lies of the world (Gov't, MSM, religious leaders [wolves in sheep clothing]).
- the likely disruption to the global financial system due to the realization of corruption and the legal consequences of nations, corporations and individuals taking part of corruption.
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..Biblical Parallels..
.....WWG1WGA - It's like a rally cheer for the Q good guys. The question is: Who is the '1'? and who are the 'All'?
Possibility 1:
The '1' is God and the 'All' refers to followers of God in the battle against the enemy for the purpose of liberty, judgment, and justice. Obviously, true liberty, judgment, and justice will be done by God alone in eternity.
OR
Possibility 2:
The '1' is Trump and the 'All' refer to all the supporters, few--but strong, fighting along with him against the enemy for the purposes mentioned aboe.
Either way though, it makes me think of the Bible stories where God has 1 guy (figurehead) with few supporters to fight the enemy in impossible odds and WIN! Which ends up being demonstrative evidence of God's existence.
Examples:
- Abraham with his 318 trained servants to rescued his nephew Lot, Lot's family, Lot's people and his stuff. (Genesis 14) There are MANY other parallels here, but I'll leave that for you to comment! Or ask me for me. Haha.
- Gideon and his 300 valiant men. (Judges 6-8) Many parallels also. I'll leave that for you to comment. My thought is... did you consider how Gideon trimmed his forces to 300 men? THINK ABOUT IT in light of Trump's 'concession message' and Trump's border wall message today (1/12/21) at Alamo, TX.
- The Holy Spirit and God's few disciples at the very beginnings of the Church.
Do you have more? Please SHARE!
.....Ezra Cohen-Watnick - Current US Acting Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence
He seems like one of the key players in all this. Ezra in the Bible was a scribe and was instrumental in brining God's people back together from exile which eventually led to the rebuilding of the Temple.
Per part 2 of my writing, I believe these events that we're experiencing now are instrumental in the building of the Third Temple in Jerusalem. And Mr. Ezra Cohen-Watnick is a big part of it.
.....The Q Story - Generally, overall, it's another redemption story.
If you take my assumptions about what will occur at the end of this Q chapter (~early 2021), you can imagine how this Q story is like another redemption story that's told over and over again in the Bible.
Following the pattern: Evil/Calamity > Helpless Victims > Unknown before, but God appoints a Christ-like leader > Rescue of Victims > Judgment of Evil > Celebration Victory.
Is TRUMP the Christ? Of course not! But in this story, he's a type of Christ much like Abraham, Joseph, Moses, Jonah, Esther, + many more are types of Christ.
Please upvote the thread and comment with your thoughts if you like this!
I know there are Q supporters out there who do not hold the same Christian beliefs. This thread is not for you, but you are also welcome to share.
Everyone, remember the greatawakening.win rules as you're commenting. Notably - keeping discussion focused with Q subject area in mind and sharing respectfully and civilly for the purpose of expanding our thinking.
Let's not bash others who hold different beliefs.
Enjoy!
Another possible parallel:
How about 1 Kings for a parallel that seems pretty relevant to me:
An aged King David didn't take action to anoint Solomon as the next King as promised. Another son, Adonijah, took it upon himself to gather people, like Joab the leader of the army, and Abiathar, the priest, who were NOT loyal to King David, invited a lot of people and hosted his own anointing, or inauguration, as we'd call it.
Prophet, Nathan and wife, Bathsheba brought it to David's attention. He then made arrangements for Solomon to be anointed king immediately, with all the appropriate officials loyal to his reign, and large and noisy celebration with the people.
(So it went all the way to and through a "fake" anointing/inauguration before action was taken.)
When news of the anointing of Solomon was broadcast far and wide, those with Adonijah panicked and scattered. Adonijah went to the Temple and tried holding on to the horns of the altar which was a place of asylum.
Solomon had him removed from there, brought before himself, the new king, and made him to yield and pledge allegiance to Solomon. He was then sent to his home, which seems like a "house arrest" to me. He was told he wouldn't be bothered any further if he proved himself worthy.
David counseled Solomon to pay attention to those who had not been loyal and to essentially remove them, which eventually led to dealing with Joab. Joab also ran to the altar and held on to the horns, but it did not save him. He was not one who apparently had a genuine faith, so was just "going through the motions."
I thought, if this current situation goes all the way to and through an inauguration of one who did NOT lawfully win this election, it will be a very difficult thing to see, to say the least.
BUT, if it is "Biblical" perhaps this is a head's up and maybe even an encouraging word.
No one can fool God. May His will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Mind = Blown.
So, let's say if the real world is going to parallel this story... Does that mean that Biden will have his inauguration (fake) and Trump will have his inauguration (real)?
I can imagine an apparently real inauguration take place for Biden that ends up being fake with Chief Justice Roberts swearing him in who actually isn't Chief Justice.
Well, I don't know about mind blown, but I sure think heart fails might fit in there, too! So you think it is viable parallel, too then? I can't say "Thus saith the LORD" but it did feel like a revelation in response to heartfelt prayer.
In response to another post about it really being over, and President Trump will just, in my words, go quietly in the night, which is HARD to imagine, it did occur to me, too, that since the MI people behind Q had earlier said that they COULD have just done it and carried out arrests without President Trump in place, but had chosen to work through him/office of President rather than a straight military coup ...history has shown that situations often get worse after such a coup,
so they COULD just do it now or later, whether he is in office or not.
Maybe this is more of the optics? And we are being led down a proverbial garden path....look here, not there?
You did blow my mind. Truly. I think it's viable.
I think... enjoy the story and enjoy the ride. The best stories are when the impossible win comes out of the most hopeless scenario.
I think Trump talking about Biden administration today in TX is optics (or a test). I think words matter--what is said--what is not said. Parse things out word-for-word with him and use appropriate definitions. Reminds me of Gideon and how God trimmed his forces.
My understanding of Pres. Trump is he is PRECISE. But many think he's some angry gorilla which is what he wants them to think.
oh, an angry gorilla! What a picture!!
No, I agree. I think he has done a fine job of making them THINK what he wants them to think, to underestimate him.
Still watching and praying here, however it comes out.
Hey Flowerpotz, I wrote an new post and would appreciate any comment/insight you have.
https://greatawakening.win/p/12hkmRjlLN/theory-q-angels-and-information-/
I'm honored! Will take a look soon.
Anyone that can’t believe in the Bible will have a hard time wrapping heads around Q Look to God in these times not men of flesh The moment they closed churches alarm bells should have been going off with everyone
Thank you for sharing.
I agree that understanding of the Bible and God really helps make sense of this Q stuff.
At the same time, let's not condemn or put down the intellect of those who do not share our beliefs, but rather respect their thoughts and opinion. I find I get better informed when people civilly, informedly, and respectfully share their perspective and knowledge regardless of their underlying beliefs.
If you have parallels you can think of between this Q story and the Bible, please share! (in a manner that is according to the rules of greatawakening.win)
OR is it not so much a redemption story as another cycle?
the possible comparisons with the Tree of Life and the Tree of the Knowledge of good and evil....three sides..
Hegelian Dialectic: herding people in one direction, without their awareness...
Create a problem/resolve a problem you created and appear to be "good"
Are "white hats" of the "good" or the "appear good" variety? Or is there a mixture?
Is the problem of wickedness, as listed in the bullet points, being exposed as part of a larger plan, or genuine disgust with wickedness, or both?
"Given to evil" people/activities entrenched for decades and even centuries, exposed by the "appear to be good" people in order to gather many people together in opposition to what is "given to evil."
and in that rush to overcome "evil," lose sight of discernment of what may only "appear to be good" from what is really "good and with God?"
So** if **"white hats" are only 'appear to be good" types, including President Trump?, causing further polarization as people feel the need to take sides, against obvious "given to evil"....and the polarization of a population becomes it's own problem over time.
The proposed solution: a return to Trump presidency. is it "good" or "appear to be good?"
Two caveats for those who serve evil:
as a result, as I have understood it, the "evil one's" excuse before God is that it was only doing what people wanted done.**
OR
is there a comparison with the unholy group, Dragon, First Beast and Second Beast?
The dragon is obviously evil: redirects its power through the Sea/First Beast/"false prophet" to draw people in, and then First Beast points to Second Beast, which draws all back to the dragon...all the while the "false prophet" is enticing people with little discernment...
OR
It is all really only another cycle as we have seen written in Judges,
Faithfulness, Complacency, Decadence/indulgence, Rebellion, Pain, Repentance, Restoration back to Faithfulness
and the Hand of God will work with yet another "judge" to restore us,
until He allows that final cycle of end times to kick in.
Thanks for sharing. I was actually hoping for your feedback re: a new thread I created yesterday about Q, Angels, and Information Warfare at this link:
https://greatawakening.win/p/12hkmRjlLN/theory-q-angels-and-information-/
Re: what you wrote—I'm not sure if I understand your first part (us being duped?) and second part (are you saying Q and Trump are like the beasts?).
In all though, I would say I agree with your 3rd part about it possibly being a cycle and I appreciate how you spelt out the steps in the cycle.
My approach to all this Q stuff is in the 'what-if' world of:
I'm not studied in eschatology, but for now, I hold the pre-millennial and pre-trib (or maybe mid-trib) view of end times. With that being the case then, I'm thinking along the lines of this being another cycle for us.
But the 'us' is different than historical cycles because size of 'us' is huge (population wise) and reach is fast and vast (internet/technology). I think this is global. I'm in Canada. :P
You are in way over your head in some ways here, if you haven't studied eschatology...but Rev 1:3 promises a blessing to those who read and study, NOT only if we have it all figured out, so may you be blessed as you go!
I have been studying and have taught through Eschatology a number of times now, and am finding that in this season, and the more we look at thematic application, allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture, from a Hebraic worldview, the more understanding opens up.
There are good answers to everything you have postulated here and in the new article. In order to answer them,I could provide things I've written about this, but I would end up doxxing myself, which I'd rather not do here. And I don't have time to write out in depth what would be needed to answer your questions well and thoroughly. I don't know if there is a private reply option here anywhere?
Yes, I do think this is global which is a point on the side of this whole thing being THE final cycle, rather than another go around as in Judges. (Yay, Canada!!!)
Your approach to Q has been how I want to look at it, and I have been following since the first post, and even a bit before if that first "anonymous?" posting and Dr. Steve Pieczenik, was from "them." I do not normally do forums but was intrigued so learned in Reddit, to Voat, to GAW, and check out Paol at times, too. I am thankful that the Q approach DOES seem to have opened many people's eyes, including those in 20s and 30s, which I think is essential to our future!
I have been aware of the depth of depravity in the world, to my shock--since I wasn't prepared for any of that in my Lutheran background-- for about 30 years now, so I suppose I qualify as what some call "doomers" but I just feel like a dinosaur in some things! :-)
Yes, I included the alternative, which I hope and pray is NOT the case, that Q and Trump are part of the false appearing good, but not really good,(Hegelian Dialectic) per side of tree of knowledge of good and evil. (Anything is NOT truly good, if it comes through that tree!)
As Believers in Messiah, we are to be strong in Him and be able to acknowledge both good and evil without flinching. We are to be wise and discerning, not remaining as children tossed about by every wind of doctrine. So I find it important to remain open to the possibility that although our God is clearly allowing all of this, and I have no doubt that immortal beings (often called angels, but truthfully, angel simply means "messenger" and there is far more going on than just messages!) are involved at every level and every intensity, especially if this is the final cycle, but in any case, the battle is in the second heavens, and now more openly being played out on earth.
Dr. Michael Lake's book, The Shinar Directive, with two follow up books afterwards so far, does a great job of laying out these matters in a very readable format. Dr. Michael Heiser's The Unseen Realm could go a long way toward helping you further clarify and articulate your understanding, too. I know Heiser is considered controversial by some, and I can't say I agree with everything he has said, but he is a scholar in many ancient languages and has a lot to add to any such discussion I don't know if he has posted anything addressing the Q phenomenon.
Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn information, and the Egyptian "gods" of Kek and Thoth stories would give you some dark side info that looks too uncomfortably relevant to me to totally ignore. These things I do not think should be pursued without adequate prayer coverage for your own heart first.
Investments in time for sure, but it sounds like you are seriously seeking!!**
Thank you for expanding my thinking with the alternatives and hinting at the depth of 'stuff' in eschatology. Through the past few months, my view of the subject of eschatology has changed from somewhat relevant stuff to truly relevant stuff. That might just be the direction I'll go in studies...
Also, thanks for the warnings (intended or not) in how I approach both Q itself and the dark side related to this stuff. I needed that. I don't intend to go down and learn more about the dark side subject area. I'm content with what I know now and I think there are more prudent things to study first like eschatology.
I get the impression that there is some gnostic doctrine being embedded in this Q community which is also something that I would categorize in the too uncomfortably relevant to me to totally ignore bucket.
Thanks again for sharing!