I am a Q supporter and non-charismatic evangelical Christian—a lay person with probably above average Bible knowledge. I previously wrote about reconciling my evangelical beliefs with Q, assuming that the Q story holds true.
Link to part 2: Logical Conclusions via Christian world-view
Link to part 1: Initial discernment re: Q and Christian beliefs
Please upvote and comment on my previous threads and this thread if you find value in the respective threads so that more people can read and contribute.
For this thread, I want to think about parallels between the Q story and stories in the Bible. Please post and comment with your parallels too as, together, I believe our Bible knowledge and world observation is greater! See if we can get this trending so it can encourage more brothers and sisters who share the same beliefs as us.
First to give you my assumptions of Q in a summary (copied from part 2 of my writings):
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Q is a US Military Operation. Behind this Military Operation is actually God working in a significant capacity. Spiritual warfare is also a significant part of this. This spiritual part is inferred from what JFK said about the reason for Special Ops.
In the end of this Q chapter that we're in (~early 2021), the general whole world population will come to the realization of:
- the wickedness that we've been ignorant of in the world.
- the general liberation of victims and the world of that wickedness.
- the nearness of the spiritual world that is so much closer than we normally thought.
- the prophetic-like manner of Q-drops and the precision and fulfillment.
- the lies of the world (Gov't, MSM, religious leaders [wolves in sheep clothing]).
- the likely disruption to the global financial system due to the realization of corruption and the legal consequences of nations, corporations and individuals taking part of corruption.
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..Biblical Parallels..
.....WWG1WGA - It's like a rally cheer for the Q good guys. The question is: Who is the '1'? and who are the 'All'?
Possibility 1:
The '1' is God and the 'All' refers to followers of God in the battle against the enemy for the purpose of liberty, judgment, and justice. Obviously, true liberty, judgment, and justice will be done by God alone in eternity.
OR
Possibility 2:
The '1' is Trump and the 'All' refer to all the supporters, few--but strong, fighting along with him against the enemy for the purposes mentioned aboe.
Either way though, it makes me think of the Bible stories where God has 1 guy (figurehead) with few supporters to fight the enemy in impossible odds and WIN! Which ends up being demonstrative evidence of God's existence.
Examples:
- Abraham with his 318 trained servants to rescued his nephew Lot, Lot's family, Lot's people and his stuff. (Genesis 14) There are MANY other parallels here, but I'll leave that for you to comment! Or ask me for me. Haha.
- Gideon and his 300 valiant men. (Judges 6-8) Many parallels also. I'll leave that for you to comment. My thought is... did you consider how Gideon trimmed his forces to 300 men? THINK ABOUT IT in light of Trump's 'concession message' and Trump's border wall message today (1/12/21) at Alamo, TX.
- The Holy Spirit and God's few disciples at the very beginnings of the Church.
Do you have more? Please SHARE!
.....Ezra Cohen-Watnick - Current US Acting Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence
He seems like one of the key players in all this. Ezra in the Bible was a scribe and was instrumental in brining God's people back together from exile which eventually led to the rebuilding of the Temple.
Per part 2 of my writing, I believe these events that we're experiencing now are instrumental in the building of the Third Temple in Jerusalem. And Mr. Ezra Cohen-Watnick is a big part of it.
.....The Q Story - Generally, overall, it's another redemption story.
If you take my assumptions about what will occur at the end of this Q chapter (~early 2021), you can imagine how this Q story is like another redemption story that's told over and over again in the Bible.
Following the pattern: Evil/Calamity > Helpless Victims > Unknown before, but God appoints a Christ-like leader > Rescue of Victims > Judgment of Evil > Celebration Victory.
Is TRUMP the Christ? Of course not! But in this story, he's a type of Christ much like Abraham, Joseph, Moses, Jonah, Esther, + many more are types of Christ.
Please upvote the thread and comment with your thoughts if you like this!
I know there are Q supporters out there who do not hold the same Christian beliefs. This thread is not for you, but you are also welcome to share.
Everyone, remember the greatawakening.win rules as you're commenting. Notably - keeping discussion focused with Q subject area in mind and sharing respectfully and civilly for the purpose of expanding our thinking.
Let's not bash others who hold different beliefs.
Enjoy!
You are in way over your head in some ways here, if you haven't studied eschatology...but Rev 1:3 promises a blessing to those who read and study, NOT only if we have it all figured out, so may you be blessed as you go!
I have been studying and have taught through Eschatology a number of times now, and am finding that in this season, and the more we look at thematic application, allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture, from a Hebraic worldview, the more understanding opens up.
There are good answers to everything you have postulated here and in the new article. In order to answer them,I could provide things I've written about this, but I would end up doxxing myself, which I'd rather not do here. And I don't have time to write out in depth what would be needed to answer your questions well and thoroughly. I don't know if there is a private reply option here anywhere?
Yes, I do think this is global which is a point on the side of this whole thing being THE final cycle, rather than another go around as in Judges. (Yay, Canada!!!)
Your approach to Q has been how I want to look at it, and I have been following since the first post, and even a bit before if that first "anonymous?" posting and Dr. Steve Pieczenik, was from "them." I do not normally do forums but was intrigued so learned in Reddit, to Voat, to GAW, and check out Paol at times, too. I am thankful that the Q approach DOES seem to have opened many people's eyes, including those in 20s and 30s, which I think is essential to our future!
I have been aware of the depth of depravity in the world, to my shock--since I wasn't prepared for any of that in my Lutheran background-- for about 30 years now, so I suppose I qualify as what some call "doomers" but I just feel like a dinosaur in some things! :-)
Yes, I included the alternative, which I hope and pray is NOT the case, that Q and Trump are part of the false appearing good, but not really good,(Hegelian Dialectic) per side of tree of knowledge of good and evil. (Anything is NOT truly good, if it comes through that tree!)
As Believers in Messiah, we are to be strong in Him and be able to acknowledge both good and evil without flinching. We are to be wise and discerning, not remaining as children tossed about by every wind of doctrine. So I find it important to remain open to the possibility that although our God is clearly allowing all of this, and I have no doubt that immortal beings (often called angels, but truthfully, angel simply means "messenger" and there is far more going on than just messages!) are involved at every level and every intensity, especially if this is the final cycle, but in any case, the battle is in the second heavens, and now more openly being played out on earth.
Dr. Michael Lake's book, The Shinar Directive, with two follow up books afterwards so far, does a great job of laying out these matters in a very readable format. Dr. Michael Heiser's The Unseen Realm could go a long way toward helping you further clarify and articulate your understanding, too. I know Heiser is considered controversial by some, and I can't say I agree with everything he has said, but he is a scholar in many ancient languages and has a lot to add to any such discussion I don't know if he has posted anything addressing the Q phenomenon.
Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn information, and the Egyptian "gods" of Kek and Thoth stories would give you some dark side info that looks too uncomfortably relevant to me to totally ignore. These things I do not think should be pursued without adequate prayer coverage for your own heart first.
Investments in time for sure, but it sounds like you are seriously seeking!!**
Thank you for expanding my thinking with the alternatives and hinting at the depth of 'stuff' in eschatology. Through the past few months, my view of the subject of eschatology has changed from somewhat relevant stuff to truly relevant stuff. That might just be the direction I'll go in studies...
Also, thanks for the warnings (intended or not) in how I approach both Q itself and the dark side related to this stuff. I needed that. I don't intend to go down and learn more about the dark side subject area. I'm content with what I know now and I think there are more prudent things to study first like eschatology.
I get the impression that there is some gnostic doctrine being embedded in this Q community which is also something that I would categorize in the too uncomfortably relevant to me to totally ignore bucket.
Thanks again for sharing!