I don’t think all Christian faiths view grace the same. Many view it this way (including mine): Christ paid our debt and is our new ‘creditor’, so to speak. He sets new terms to the contact - terms we can actually achieve. Essentially He takes our best effort and fills in the rest.
I agree that, while Trump has done a lot of good, I don’t see him as a highly spiritual person. Is he Christian? I don’t know him that well tbh so my view could be very colored by fake news.
I believe Jesus is our Lawyer/Advocate.
So when you stand to be judged, he stands in front of your sins...then you will be judged only on your goodness, kindness, empathy, things you did out of love. Sins washed away by faith, only thing left to judge is your goodness.
I think maybe we believe similar things. As long as you define faith like James (faith without works is dead) - then I think it’s sort of the same idea, maybe slightly different.
Just had this argument(discussion) with a coworker. His #1 point was he didnt like trump. #2 trump is a dishonest man. #3 Coworkers beliefs about Jesus are: works = salvation.
1: I argue he doesnt know Trump, therefore his opinion is based off of (Insert tv,network,film) and not the actual man is baseless. He concedes.
2: i havent heard/seen Trump lie any time. As for his business dealings, playing the game and winning isnt dishonest. (Coworker referenced a film about trump beating bankers at their own game, i.e. he borrowed X, then asked for Y more lest he bankrupts and said lenders lose out 100%. He got more money. Winning!)
3# well, i dont want to rehash that again, to each their own.
Final thoughts, God sets up kings and nations, and he also knocks em down at His pleasure. End of story!
I agree that our view of Trump is very distorted. I have family who still don’t view him as a good man (although they voted for him). He is definitely imperfect, definitely not a saint - but I think if we were to contrast this man to the snakes he’s fighting - he absolutely shines.
I don’t think all Christian faiths view grace the same. Many view it this way (including mine): Christ paid our debt and is our new ‘creditor’, so to speak. He sets new terms to the contact - terms we can actually achieve. Essentially He takes our best effort and fills in the rest.
I agree that, while Trump has done a lot of good, I don’t see him as a highly spiritual person. Is he Christian? I don’t know him that well tbh so my view could be very colored by fake news.
I believe Jesus is our Lawyer/Advocate. So when you stand to be judged, he stands in front of your sins...then you will be judged only on your goodness, kindness, empathy, things you did out of love. Sins washed away by faith, only thing left to judge is your goodness.
I think maybe we believe similar things. As long as you define faith like James (faith without works is dead) - then I think it’s sort of the same idea, maybe slightly different.
Just had this argument(discussion) with a coworker. His #1 point was he didnt like trump. #2 trump is a dishonest man. #3 Coworkers beliefs about Jesus are: works = salvation.
1: I argue he doesnt know Trump, therefore his opinion is based off of (Insert tv,network,film) and not the actual man is baseless. He concedes.
2: i havent heard/seen Trump lie any time. As for his business dealings, playing the game and winning isnt dishonest. (Coworker referenced a film about trump beating bankers at their own game, i.e. he borrowed X, then asked for Y more lest he bankrupts and said lenders lose out 100%. He got more money. Winning!)
3# well, i dont want to rehash that again, to each their own.
Final thoughts, God sets up kings and nations, and he also knocks em down at His pleasure. End of story!
Edit: Whoa, formatting fail!
I agree that our view of Trump is very distorted. I have family who still don’t view him as a good man (although they voted for him). He is definitely imperfect, definitely not a saint - but I think if we were to contrast this man to the snakes he’s fighting - he absolutely shines.
Agreed.