Mostly out of curiosity. There's plenty of proof that there is some form of insider information involved with Q. And a few "proofs" that are disturbing in what they suggest. But there's a point I don't understand, and hope someone here can enlighten me.
What gives you all faith when all of reality suggests that freedom is dead and there is no plan? Or, let me correct that...I think Trump's plan was to provide the ability for others to do the right thing, and state legislatures, SCOTUS and Pence did not. And yes, I understand, to a degree he also set up the military with an option. But no one involved at any level has actually suggested that anything will happen (except maybe Flynn, and everyone who isn't his friend seems to think he's a nut, though I've seen no indication of that), while many have denounced Q and the very idea that there be any resistance to the corruption outside of the court of law, (which is just a sham court at this point).
But, again, if Trump and all his people believe in a court system that no observant person could ever believe was honorable, how do you all believe they're going to turn around and take it into their own hands? If anything, the shuffling of staff and flurry of EOs suggest that he's continuing to attempt to set up a means for whatever men of conscience remain to carry on the fight... In court.
Trump did what he could without putting his neck on the line. He showed great leadership within the law, if poor preparedness (or unwillingness) to mitigate the breaking of laws. Or perhaps he was truly naive about the courts. It's possible. And we can be frustrated, but he was still a great president. No one is perfect. And I'm not sure there was a perfect solution, and maybe that stilled his hands as much as anything.
I'm not trying to be a doomer or a shill. I am more...a neutral observer that wants to understand the beliefs underpinning the massive hope still on display. Not Q proofs, I have seen probably every single one, just as I've read all the posts. I've even followed a great deal of discussion on 4chan, 8chan and 8kun. The movement is a fascinating cultural phenomenon in many ways.
I know many of you are of faith; in regards to Q, consider me an agnostic that you are trying to convert. What are your articles of faith?
We have faith in God and people besides Trump to do the right thing.
I respect that. I can have faith in God without expecting a good outcome in the near future. I have very little faith in anyone in our government, however, and would never simply expect them to do the right thing.
What about the military?
It's great to hope on the military, and Trump created some avenues for them. But aside from their presence, what reason is there to think they're going to do anything? I'd be more inclined to expect them to be the first wave of bidens lockdown than saviors of freedom.
Soldiers follow orders. Trump has given no indication that he will order anything, only that he will open the door.
You have just said you have seen the Q proofs. What should have been apparent is the mathematical improbability of an unaffiliated anonymous person posting about a topic first, followed within 0 - 3 minutes with a post from the President on the same day. ( 3 times in one day ) Added to that, the posts from Pompeo in the last two weeks which would be incredibly bizarre had they not matched up with Q posts ... so math and probabilities are a big thing for me. The only other option would have to be that Trump, Flynn, and Pompeo are in on a fraud. I just don't see that being possible for all three.
What is the MINIMUM burden of proof you would accept that would convince you that the Department of Defense has this?
I'm not certain of that. I'm not certain there could be proof and they still have it, given opsec. I can accept that as a possibility, but it doesn't explain to me the great faith I see here. If that makes sense?
Aaaaaaand military court is quite different...you will soon see!
I'm aware of the differences. Just do not see what makes anyone here believe they will take action. Q has suggested so, and I get that believing Q is kind of the starting point here. But is it a point of reaching into a quasi religious faith? Believing in things hoped for but not seen?
I can accept and respect all of you if it is so. I do not believe that we all need homogenous group think. In fact, I think conspiracy thinking, both correct and incorrect, are a vital resource in a few society. I am only looking for further insight as we await a definitive resolution. Right or wrong, I don't think I can get that feedback tomorrow without events, or a lack thereof, coloring the responses.
Well I'd love to see justice for all criminals with malice in their hearts. No matter who they are. Big and small. Ethics matter to me.
logic. review 40+ years of Trump's public statements. there's a lot. he's no fly by night. he's consistent. the only thing that changed is China replaced Japan after NAFTA relocated US manufacturing. what has he ever quit?
see if you can find a day in those 40 years when he doesn't have at least one lawsuit, being sued or suing. he's not naive about the courts. neither is he blindsided by the corruption in government. correction: complete corruption. that's why he ran. he entered office with his own security detail in addition to SS.
he worked with the FBI in the '80s to expose the mob running Atlantic City. he's experienced with the crime syndicate - the "families"- in and out of government.
who is "everyone" who thinks Flynn is a nut? you mean on MSDNC? Obama said Flynn concerned him as much as North Korea. how many senior ranking military did Obama sack? about 400. I need not remind you about Obama's record on whistleblowers. why is Flynn such a threat if he's "crazy?" why did "crazy" Flynn's scam prosecution get delayed? right, crazy Flynn was assisting a Grand Jury in other cases not related to Mueller.
the election fraud is comical. the corrupt justice system, pathetic. why do you believe that Trump would rely on a corrupt judges to adjudicate crimes they are involved in? and that he has no options? that is illogical.
I can respect that belief, and that it comes from a good and noble heart.
I haven't heard of a 1000 years of darkness where Satan takes a physical throne over the Earth. Satan has already had dominion over this Earth. There will be a one world government. The antichrist will be revealed. He will rule for 7 years. That is the tribulation. Then Satan will be bound for 1000 years while Christ rules on Earth for 1000 years of peace. Then Satan will be released for a short time, then the end will come, the judgement, then forever with a new Heaven and a new Earth.
20 Then[a] I saw an angel descending from heaven, holding[b] in his hand the key to the abyss and a huge chain. 2 He[c] seized the dragon—the ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan—and tied him up for a thousand years. 3 The angel[d] then[e] threw him into the abyss and locked[f] and sealed it so that he could not deceive the nations until the one thousand years were finished. (After these things he must be released for a brief period of time.)
I want to add...I began following this movement early on, courtesy of a friend. A troubled friend that was searching for a reason to live, a reason to believe and fight against their personal demons. A friend that now is in a crisis of belief, from what I can tell. So while I am asking questions based off of my own curiosity, I am also hoping I might find points to share with this friend.
Not all of reality.
This is exactly what I'm looking for. You say not all of reality... Then what contradicts? Q knew some movements ahead of time. I do not have an explanation for that, other than it necessitates that they have a very inside source. Which I do not disagree with. But when has knowing those movements actually translated into anything more?
What else is there? Pompeo has had some interesting things to say, but I feel like he's on a different channel. Fighting the good fight and likely a good man, but in a different arena. Like he's trying to shift the political pillars of the world on his way out the door, hoping to offset the treason of the incoming administration. Honorable, but not going to really change much in the long run.
Saying there's things to point to is great-- point to them and make me believe!
CIA director resigned yesterday...Trump train member appointed as top council for NSA...the position that has full control over intelligence submitted to military court...
I do find that interesting. But I expect some sort of quick filling to introduce certain evidence before Biden can fire him, perhaps with the goal of a special counsel to impede some of the incoming administrations insanity.
Does it not occur to you that Trump's people are in charge of the military operation?
"Trump's people" were installed in SCOTUS. His admin appointed an incredible number of judges. Neither of those points made a difference.
He also seemed to expect Pence, his person, to act. And Pence essentially made a mockery of that faith.
I see your point, but several times Trump has waited for others to act when he put them in position to, and each time they have not. I suspect the same is true of the election itself and the failure to prevent the fraud.
Or perhaps that the entire government is a corrupt nest of parasites, and you appear to be spreading their infestation.
I agree with that sentiment. That leans more into the religious aspect. Nothing wrong with that, just an observation. It is very interesting how much Q has resonated with the truly faithful of this nation. I must say that, no matter the veracity of Q, says more about the sad, corrupt state of our government than anything else ever could.
There's no time wasted in observing a movement that has been as far reaching and powerful as the Q movement. There's a great deal to learn from it. You'd have to let go of ignorance, fear, and hate, however.
Whether or not you agree with the people of the Q movement, they have shown themselves to be people of true hearts and deep frustration with the corruption in our nation. These are respectable attributes, whether or not you agree with their specific perspectives.