So someone asked me to explain sovereign citizen to them in a comment. IMO, in order to really understand what is being asked there you have to understand something about contracts as well.
I hope the moderators will agree with me that this discussion is very much on point, or at least close to the core of what the Q movement is trying to reveal. Also it seems this is a portion of what Q is trying to help people understand. So, this is my admittedly very poor attempt to offer some clarification on the subject.
Someone help me if I'm wrong (will probably get parts wrong).
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CONTRACTS
As I understand it, because America is currently a corporation, it has to do a lot with contract law. I had law in college, and it helps TREMENDOUSLY to understand this stuff, can't recommend it enough. Anyways.....
Contracts in general outline how two or more parties interact with each other: terms, enrichment, expected behavior, penalties for aberration, etc. Contracts confirm in a written form what two or more entities have orally agreed upon in case of need for clarity.
Once the parties agree and sign off, you are obligated by contract law to follow it through to its conclusion. Most contracts are self fulfilling, and terminate when the conditions are completed.
Example, deliver goods from point a to b, get paid, no more terms, so contract terminated. So far so good? Good.
So, simple contracts, not so bad, end after short term, sometimes longish term, like with your cell phone provider, few years, not so bad.
However, the question then becomes, what happens if the contract is open ended, and doesn't have an end, or a clause that lets you terminate the contract? (<insert suspenseful thunder/lighting here>)
The idea here, however, is that you contracted at some point to be a party in a contract with the USA Corp. and those agreements have no expiration date (except death, I guess).
Example, once you are of age it is optional for you to pay income taxes. If you ever read the booklet that comes with your 1040 (I did) there are a few lines in there that are puzzling, including one that says paying federal income tax is optional. I don't know if that is still in there, or buried elsewhere. Once you start paying taxes however, you have entered into the contract, agree to terms of paying each year, and are obligated to continue until death presumably, by the terms of the tax code.
You are now an entity trapped by contract law.
Same for purchasing property, getting a license, SSN, etc. Pretty much anything to do with current lifestyles and living requires you to be a contract entity, and enter into contracts.
Contracts deal with sudo people, fake people, they call an Entity. Two entities can enter into a contract, and it is binding. Originally the idea we were told was it was to make it so you could have a business enter into contracts. Businesses aren't living, breathing things, and you can't imprison them for breach of contract. The officers of a business, but not the business itself, it is not alive. So they had to make them "living", because only people could enter into agreements.
When you file for a business license of almost any kind, you are creating an entity, with rights and obligations, just like a person. It now pays taxes, files for various licenses, permission to operate in different states or countries, can now own things, sell things, and do many things that a regular person can.
Still following? Good.
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SOVEREIGNTY
Now , I have to admit, this post is getting long. Also, this is where I get fuzzy, as most of my experience is with contracts. If someone can chime in with corrections or clarifications, I appreciate. I apologize in advance for my ignorance on this.
In Essence, my understanding says In real America (Not USA Corp.) you are a "sovereign person" with rights as outlined in the constitution and bill of rights, granted by God, all that stuff. You are not an entity, that demeans you and your rights. Entities are limited in freedom, and in their ability to do certain things.
For you to exercise these rights, you should not have to enter into contracts with others. By virtue of being a person you have rights with or without contractual obligation and cannot be forced into obligation just to exercise those rights.
Contract law actually does not bind onto a sovereign person (known just as a person for the purposes of this discussion, its shorter!). Due to their freedoms, at least not in the way contracts are now. A person's liberty and freedoms had to be restricted or reduced, so businesses could enter into binding contracts with them and have them stick. An agreement between a person and a person is binding. an agreement between a person and an entity is not, unless the person agrees to give up some of their freedoms to become an entity, and therefore can be obligated (forced?) to live up to their contracts.
Certain laws still exist which clarify the position of sovereignty, including maritime laws, which is why they get referenced by people claiming sovereignty.
I could be way off base, but this is my understanding from being explained it once, like 10 years ago. I'll try and see if I can find more research on it, a lot of it is suppressed by MSM (big surprise).
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Ok, I know I'm just getting going, but I'm out of steam and have to go to work tomorrow. To be continued either in the comments or a followup post. If you made it this far, you are a good human, thanks.
https://www.bitchute.com/channel/war-castles/
this is the info, in video format that can explain it better... start with war-castles-9, then End, then start at 1... all the way at the bottom of the page.
This is awesome! Thank you for explaining it so clearly. Many times when people try to explain complex ideas they use technical jargon that is difficult to understand for people that are unfamiliar with the subject. You were very clear and explained it very well. Thank you! You would make an excellent teacher :)
LOL Thanks!
My kid keeps saying the same thing. :)
Contract indentures the parties, waives FSIA: to retain 'sovereign immunity' is to have a separate entity to act as intermediary, like Read about a real life recent instance of a Sovereign Nation waving sovereignty because they didn't use a wholly separate entity intermediary: https://guardian.ng/features/law/legality-of-waiver-of-sovereign-immunity-clauses-in-international-contracts/
"Inasmuch as every government is an artificial person, an abstraction, and a creature of the mind only, a government can interface only with other artificial persons. The imaginary, having neither actuality nor substance, is foreclosed from creating and attaining parity with the tangible. The legal manifestation of this is that no government, as well as any law, agency, aspect, court, etc. can concern itself with anything other than corporate, artificial persons and the contracts between them." PENHALLOW v. DOANE'S ADMINISTRATORS (Supreme Court of the United States 1795)
CRUDEN v. NEALE 2N.C. (1796) 2 SE 70 "Every man is independent of all laws, except those prescribed by nature. He is not bound by any institutions formed by his fellowmen without his consent.”
Good outline.
Here is an excellent discussion on it by Judge Anna Von Reitz:
http://annavonreitz.com/peoplevpersons.pdf
Her website has much, much more information about corporate citizenship vs. being an American State National.
She works for the deep state. Don’t listen to her she is trying to discredit the movement.
https://national-assembly.net/
That site looks like a 14 year old threw it together.
Here is the proper site:
https://theamericanstatesassembly.net/
Yeah where do you think she gets the money for that website from? The people we are fighting. She tried to infiltrate our assembly and we called her out so she went and started this thing. Go ahead and follow her but just know that you were warned.
http://annavonreitz.com/removedestry.pdf
That’s cute. She even asks for money at the end.
But you just said she got the money elsewhere.
So she can’t get money from multiple places? I didn’t know glowies had rules to follow. Lmao
This sovereign citizen nonsense is precisely that - nonsense. The American legal establishment, including the courts, recognizes none of it. It's not some sort of mystical legal truth that is being suppressed; it's just gibberish that will get you laughed out of any court.
The courts are part of the corporation, what don’t you understand about that? Why would they rule against themselves?
Huh? The point is that the sovereign citizen nonsense is not an actual description of the legal machinery by means of which things happen, at law. It exists solely in the minds of people who know nothing about law. Nothing actually happens in the real world that corresponds to it.
If the claim is that there is in effect a legal system that is nowhere enforced, enacted, used, recognized, etc., then you don't know what it means for a legal system to be in effect. You can talk about sovereign citizen nonsense and the United States being a 'corporation' all you like; it's complete gibberish as a legal matter.
There is a difference between a Lawful Person and a Legal Person.
A Lawful Person is a living soul, a living human being. A Legal Person is a legal construct (typically a corporation) used to conduct business and convey liability.
Every US Citizen today has had a "Legal Person" corporation created for them using their birth certificate as an asset posted in guarantee of the liability attached to that corporation. By accepting the services of that Legal Person (by using the name, by entering into contracts with other Legal Persons, etc), a Lawful Person changes jurisdiction and political status and standing to the by-laws of the parent corporation that the "Legal Person" corporation was chartered under.
That is why when if you ever are sued or charged in court, they read you the charges and then ask you if you "understand" them, meaning you are standing under the court's jurisdiction.
Read more about it at:
http://annavonreitz.com/correctyourpoliticalstatus.pdf
No. This is not an accurate description of the ontology of our legal system. I’m a lawyer, but you don’t need to be one to realize that this is nonsense.
Anna von Reitz is a random crank.
If you are a lawyer, you are part of the deep state.
Shrug. Your legal theories are completely forceless. Nothing in reality corresponds to them.
http://annavonreitz.com/commonlaw.pdf