I don't want this to sound like I'm attacking a brother in Christ, so I'll try very hard to be careful how I phrase these things
Trump won't save you. Q won't save you.
God works through human agents. I understand where you're coming from, but bifurcating the human agency AGAINST God's work through the agency is somewhat like that proverbial question "did you stop beating your wife?"
On the one hand, they are not saving anyone per se, as they are agents of God's work, and it is God doing the saving. On the other hand, they ARE saving that which can be saved, as they are working as agents of God's work.
From OT to NT, everyone whose heart is right with God, and through whom God worked has gained the support of Christians.
Psa 119:74 They that fear thee will be glad when they see me; because I have hoped in thy word.
While it is true this verse expresses the heart of Jesus Christ, its historic relevance cannot be stripped away from it. What I mean is, this verse also expresses the heart of every Christian. It's not fit to bifurcate the not-Christ aspect of this verse and say, well, they should only be glad to see Christ, and not glad to see me because I have hoped in God's word.
Again, I want to emphasize, there is no attempt at discouraging or attacking a fellow Christian on my part. However, I have seen many such posts and while I know where hey are coming from, it also at the same time pushes a false narrative that Trump and Q as God's agents somehow competes with and/or against God's purpose for using them.
Scream at the sky, shout, demand that God send His Son. But he said that we are his body, so we and our fallible network of other believers are the sent ones until he reveals himself.
Jesus Christ will someday do the heavy lifting and finish the job. (Not Charlie Crist.) He intends to finish the labor so completely that there will be no labor left. Until then he tells us to occupy and invest ourselves. Trump and his team are apparently doing that. We are all about team-forming, building the body.
Um, sir, I was affirming you, and I have read the whole Bible three times. Maybe you mean that those who reject responsibility on the grounds that Jesus is returning are deluding themselves.
He said, "Take, eat; this is my body," and Paul explained by revelation that "The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread."
Paul also said, "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure." That means you have unique work and God has unique work. God will most certainly do his work and he calls on us to do ours. Many errors involve omitting one or the other side of this equation. I agree God will not do our part, nor we his.
So I affirm God delays the massive deaths for mercy's sake. While he does, he says, "Engage in business until I come" (Luke 19:13). Neither bury your power nor lay claim to that of others.
I'm saying you have your job and God has his (context, Luke 19). You engage in business until he comes, he returns as son of Man and Messiah with angels.
With the phrase "finish the job" I summarized 21 plagues, myriad myriads of angels, beasts of earth, sea, and hell, GMO dragons and locusts, the burning of works of stubble, the destruction of church Babylon and financial Babylon including human trafficking ("no one buys their cargo anymore, ... slaves, that is, human souls"), and of course those who depart into the lake of fire where the devil is tormented with sulfur day and night. Hope my summary didn't imply I had no idea what would happen. In the other thread I replied with Bible verses only, and you said, "You are making phrases that God didn't say." I'm assuming you have done as you asked me and read the whole Bible three times.
I'll affirm your desire that people don't look at Revelation as a carousel. Maybe you should state your own affirmations instead of guessing mine.
I don't want this to sound like I'm attacking a brother in Christ, so I'll try very hard to be careful how I phrase these things
God works through human agents. I understand where you're coming from, but bifurcating the human agency AGAINST God's work through the agency is somewhat like that proverbial question "did you stop beating your wife?"
On the one hand, they are not saving anyone per se, as they are agents of God's work, and it is God doing the saving. On the other hand, they ARE saving that which can be saved, as they are working as agents of God's work.
From OT to NT, everyone whose heart is right with God, and through whom God worked has gained the support of Christians.
While it is true this verse expresses the heart of Jesus Christ, its historic relevance cannot be stripped away from it. What I mean is, this verse also expresses the heart of every Christian. It's not fit to bifurcate the not-Christ aspect of this verse and say, well, they should only be glad to see Christ, and not glad to see me because I have hoped in God's word.
Again, I want to emphasize, there is no attempt at discouraging or attacking a fellow Christian on my part. However, I have seen many such posts and while I know where hey are coming from, it also at the same time pushes a false narrative that Trump and Q as God's agents somehow competes with and/or against God's purpose for using them.
hey, this is a free country, I have no problems if he wants to be a flat earther
all i'm trying to say here is, Trump and q are not competing with God as savior, but are working as his agents. that's all i'm trying to say.
Scream at the sky, shout, demand that God send His Son. But he said that we are his body, so we and our fallible network of other believers are the sent ones until he reveals himself.
Jesus Christ will someday do the heavy lifting and finish the job. (Not Charlie Crist.) He intends to finish the labor so completely that there will be no labor left. Until then he tells us to occupy and invest ourselves. Trump and his team are apparently doing that. We are all about team-forming, building the body.
Um, sir, I was affirming you, and I have read the whole Bible three times. Maybe you mean that those who reject responsibility on the grounds that Jesus is returning are deluding themselves.
He said, "Take, eat; this is my body," and Paul explained by revelation that "The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread."
Paul also said, "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure." That means you have unique work and God has unique work. God will most certainly do his work and he calls on us to do ours. Many errors involve omitting one or the other side of this equation. I agree God will not do our part, nor we his.
So I affirm God delays the massive deaths for mercy's sake. While he does, he says, "Engage in business until I come" (Luke 19:13). Neither bury your power nor lay claim to that of others.
I'm saying you have your job and God has his (context, Luke 19). You engage in business until he comes, he returns as son of Man and Messiah with angels.
With the phrase "finish the job" I summarized 21 plagues, myriad myriads of angels, beasts of earth, sea, and hell, GMO dragons and locusts, the burning of works of stubble, the destruction of church Babylon and financial Babylon including human trafficking ("no one buys their cargo anymore, ... slaves, that is, human souls"), and of course those who depart into the lake of fire where the devil is tormented with sulfur day and night. Hope my summary didn't imply I had no idea what would happen. In the other thread I replied with Bible verses only, and you said, "You are making phrases that God didn't say." I'm assuming you have done as you asked me and read the whole Bible three times.
I'll affirm your desire that people don't look at Revelation as a carousel. Maybe you should state your own affirmations instead of guessing mine.