If germ theory is incorrect, then the entire principle of vaccines is founded upon flawed science.
There is a lot of science behind germ theory. If you try to convince people that vaccines are harmful with germ theory being false as your basis of argument you will likely convince nearly no-one. I think that avenue of persuasion, even if you are correct (which I do not think you are), is not an effective one.
We are talking about 95% infection reduction of a virus that's never been isolated, never proven to exist
Never been proven by standards of proof made before those standards proved inadequate to the challenges offered by disease research. It is fair to criticize the changes to those standards, but the fact that antibodies generated by disease survivors can be isolated, mRNA can be isolated which produces those antibodies, and that injection of that mRNA causes a production of those antibodies in people who have never had that disease, and that people producing those antibodies have a radically reduced incident of developing the disease, is a pretty powerful indication that the understanding of the situation is quite good. Further, natural corona virus has been photographed via electron microscope, and the Wuhan corona virus' genetic code has been analyzed quite thoroughly (enough to know that it is a combination of natural corona virus and HIV). I do not find the skepticism of germ theory to be particularly intelligent or reasonable, and I find it completely unpersuasive.
flawed test amplifying genetic material so much the test is rendered effectively pointless.
It's important not to get sucked into the weeds about vaccines based on the wackiness of this particular disease. Normally, you would never bother testing healthy people nor caring to know if healthy people got mildly ill from a virus that was no practical threat to their health. Judging germ theory by the ridiculous attempts to exaggerate this hoax pandemic is unfair.
Just because it can be shown the "vaccine" induces antibody production doesn't mean it's preventing disease.
Despite that they are trawling for false positives among the general population with bullshit testing, that is not how they determined that the vaccine is successful at reducing infection probability. To do that, they vaccinate large enough test subject groups that they know statistically how many will fall seriously ill and/or die from the disease over a period of time, and they compare that prediction, and the results of a control group, to the results of being given the vaccine.
So the challenges of disease research are too great to be able to isolate a virus properly?
Basically yeah. Viruses are too small to be isolated and observed in the way larger organisms like bacteria could be. Best you could do was get a still shot of them with an electron microscope, no way to observe their behavior directly. So, circumstantial observation and deduction had to be accepted as scientifically valid methods towards understanding viruses, otherwise they were at a dead end scientifically.
The first step in proving existence of a virus is to isolate it, and they way it's been done is fraught with error and inaccuracy.
There has been plenty of error and inaccuracy with bacteria, which can be isolated, as well. Further, error and inaccuracy are part of science- you mess up and correct, and over time you mess up less. Demanding perfection out of the gate is demanding that scientific progress come to a halt.
But we are talking about this novel coronavirus. Which has never been photographed by electron microscope.
But, its genetic code has been isolated, and compared to natural corona virus by many scientists independently.
To do a sequence, you need to start with an isolated pure sample, which was never obtained.
I did not claim it was "sequenced," I said it was analyzed. Although indeed a perfect sequence cannot be obtained, using statistical analysis (computer models, if you will) you can achieve near absolute certainty with sufficient sample sizes. If it was significantly inaccurate, then the observation of HIV splices into corona virus base code would not be a repeatable result, but it has been replicated half a dozen times (on record, probably many more stay silent).
Correct. And explaining why that's not proof that viruses don't exist, and explaining the proof that viruses do exist, and explaining why isolation was a barrier to understanding due to insufficient tools, and why isolation was an arbitrary limitation in the first place. The lack of isolation is not a good argument for tossing out scientifically advancement and possible cures for disease.
A virus is a thing and can be separated from everything that is different from it.
Yes, but not with our current technology. Just because we cannot do it today does not mean that viruses do not exist.
Current methodology is fucking ridiculous
On that we 100% agree.
Why use such contaminated supernatant?
To create poison. Why else?
It's genetic code has been manufactured, not isolated.
Fair enough, it has not been isolated. But, it was neither manufactured. Statistical analysis is not voodoo. Sequencing a clump of many viruses and figuring out their DNA from that is not a wholly invalid approach to overcoming the inability to isolate a single virus' DNA.
At best they've identified a few primer sequences of around 18 base pairs
The odds of those matches being coincidental are vanishingly small. I understand that there is still some possibility that they are wrong, but it is a repeatable process that nets the same results reliably.
We absolutely have the technology and ability to do a much better isolation, but we don't. Why do you think that is?
I was under the impression we do not. If that is true, same reason as above, to create poison.
requesting records of Covid-19 isolated from a human, which has yielded zero results.
I would say that's because we do not have the technology to do so, thus the question is a trap.
How is it possible the CDC can issue policy yet not even possess a sample of the virus, according to the CDC itself?
Sample and isolate are different standards. But, the CDC are the enemy, they have no need to be consistent or honest. They can issue policy by the whim of their malice with no just reason whatsoever. That they do not have an isolated sample is immaterial, both to the real world actions they take and to the truth of whether or not viruses exist.
There is a lot of science behind germ theory. If you try to convince people that vaccines are harmful with germ theory being false as your basis of argument you will likely convince nearly no-one. I think that avenue of persuasion, even if you are correct (which I do not think you are), is not an effective one.
Never been proven by standards of proof made before those standards proved inadequate to the challenges offered by disease research. It is fair to criticize the changes to those standards, but the fact that antibodies generated by disease survivors can be isolated, mRNA can be isolated which produces those antibodies, and that injection of that mRNA causes a production of those antibodies in people who have never had that disease, and that people producing those antibodies have a radically reduced incident of developing the disease, is a pretty powerful indication that the understanding of the situation is quite good. Further, natural corona virus has been photographed via electron microscope, and the Wuhan corona virus' genetic code has been analyzed quite thoroughly (enough to know that it is a combination of natural corona virus and HIV). I do not find the skepticism of germ theory to be particularly intelligent or reasonable, and I find it completely unpersuasive.
It's important not to get sucked into the weeds about vaccines based on the wackiness of this particular disease. Normally, you would never bother testing healthy people nor caring to know if healthy people got mildly ill from a virus that was no practical threat to their health. Judging germ theory by the ridiculous attempts to exaggerate this hoax pandemic is unfair.
Despite that they are trawling for false positives among the general population with bullshit testing, that is not how they determined that the vaccine is successful at reducing infection probability. To do that, they vaccinate large enough test subject groups that they know statistically how many will fall seriously ill and/or die from the disease over a period of time, and they compare that prediction, and the results of a control group, to the results of being given the vaccine.
Basically yeah. Viruses are too small to be isolated and observed in the way larger organisms like bacteria could be. Best you could do was get a still shot of them with an electron microscope, no way to observe their behavior directly. So, circumstantial observation and deduction had to be accepted as scientifically valid methods towards understanding viruses, otherwise they were at a dead end scientifically.
There has been plenty of error and inaccuracy with bacteria, which can be isolated, as well. Further, error and inaccuracy are part of science- you mess up and correct, and over time you mess up less. Demanding perfection out of the gate is demanding that scientific progress come to a halt.
But, its genetic code has been isolated, and compared to natural corona virus by many scientists independently.
I did not claim it was "sequenced," I said it was analyzed. Although indeed a perfect sequence cannot be obtained, using statistical analysis (computer models, if you will) you can achieve near absolute certainty with sufficient sample sizes. If it was significantly inaccurate, then the observation of HIV splices into corona virus base code would not be a repeatable result, but it has been replicated half a dozen times (on record, probably many more stay silent).
Correct. And explaining why that's not proof that viruses don't exist, and explaining the proof that viruses do exist, and explaining why isolation was a barrier to understanding due to insufficient tools, and why isolation was an arbitrary limitation in the first place. The lack of isolation is not a good argument for tossing out scientifically advancement and possible cures for disease.
Yes, but not with our current technology. Just because we cannot do it today does not mean that viruses do not exist.
On that we 100% agree.
To create poison. Why else?
Fair enough, it has not been isolated. But, it was neither manufactured. Statistical analysis is not voodoo. Sequencing a clump of many viruses and figuring out their DNA from that is not a wholly invalid approach to overcoming the inability to isolate a single virus' DNA.
The odds of those matches being coincidental are vanishingly small. I understand that there is still some possibility that they are wrong, but it is a repeatable process that nets the same results reliably.
I was under the impression we do not. If that is true, same reason as above, to create poison.
I would say that's because we do not have the technology to do so, thus the question is a trap.
Sample and isolate are different standards. But, the CDC are the enemy, they have no need to be consistent or honest. They can issue policy by the whim of their malice with no just reason whatsoever. That they do not have an isolated sample is immaterial, both to the real world actions they take and to the truth of whether or not viruses exist.