Whatever ... I'm not making the case "that little people are being greedy in their request for a living wage" at all. The economy is fucked six ways from Sunday and this minimum wage hike is being portrayed as a way to fix it. A "living wage" as you put it.
That all sounds good in leftistville but that's not reality.
The reality is major employers will close 60% (at least) of their locations and probably develop a business model with far less employees that allows them the same profit margin. Put simply, the rich will still continue to get richer by employing less people.
In the meantime, the cost of living will go through the fucking roof. What good is a $15 an hour minimum wage when 2/3 of your family looses their job and a loaf of bread is $6, $8 or $10?
It'll be okay though, you'll get you're gubmint rations and these new centralized locations of services (formally known as grocery stores, department stores and gas stations) will be fully equipped to your gubmint rations as payment.
You're only being an asshole by suggesting that little people are being greedy in their request for a living wage near where they have lived all their lives.
Do you think this is the place to dump problems and then refuse to discuss them rationally after?
From name calling to wanting rational discussion?
I thought my reason for "whatevering" your asshole comment was pretty fucking rational actually.
First you have to separate the whining from the actual need. What I mean by that is I do think that anyone should be able to go to work, work an honest day for their employer and be able to support themselves but the key word their is honest.
I was raised (started at 12) working in convenience stores my mother managed after school and roofing for my uncle over the summer before entering into an apprenticeship and becoming a master electrician.
Every time I go in a gas station or fast food restaurant I leave disgusted. It now takes three millennials to do the job that one 13 year old did in 1990. Where's the work ethic? Convenience stores used to run efficiently with one employee most of the time now has three employees and it still takes longer than it should to get service. The kids entering the work force now are more concerned about their Twatter status than they are about investing in themselves and it shows.
Back when minimum wage was like $5 and hour I moved out at 17 and got my own place (with a room mate) making minimum wage. When I met my wife I was making barely more than minimum wage and that's when I got into an apprenticeship and decided to invest in myself.
For five years I went to school at night to become an expert in my craft and make a way for me and my family to enjoy "a living wage". I didn't get there by mistake. It took hard work, dedication and commitment. The same opportunities are still available today for anyone that wants them. More so actually as we can't seem to find people willing to work nowadays and my pay, over the last 5 years has gone up $10 an hour because of that.
The bottom line is it is not my job, your job, nor the governments to hand somebody a substantial wage. That is earned and it's earned by hard work and investing in one's self.
Why do we have to "try and figure out" how there could be a "flexible" minimum wage depending on business size, nature and ownership?
Where do I even begin on all that? There's a billion possible variations there. You're asking us to micromanage an economy. Why does a business and it's employees need an outside third party, with no skin in the game, to decide how they associate with each other, if at all?
Whatever ... I'm not making the case "that little people are being greedy in their request for a living wage" at all. The economy is fucked six ways from Sunday and this minimum wage hike is being portrayed as a way to fix it. A "living wage" as you put it.
That all sounds good in leftistville but that's not reality.
The reality is major employers will close 60% (at least) of their locations and probably develop a business model with far less employees that allows them the same profit margin. Put simply, the rich will still continue to get richer by employing less people.
In the meantime, the cost of living will go through the fucking roof. What good is a $15 an hour minimum wage when 2/3 of your family looses their job and a loaf of bread is $6, $8 or $10?
It'll be okay though, you'll get you're gubmint rations and these new centralized locations of services (formally known as grocery stores, department stores and gas stations) will be fully equipped to your gubmint rations as payment.
From name calling to wanting rational discussion?
I thought my reason for "whatevering" your asshole comment was pretty fucking rational actually.
First you have to separate the whining from the actual need. What I mean by that is I do think that anyone should be able to go to work, work an honest day for their employer and be able to support themselves but the key word their is honest.
I was raised (started at 12) working in convenience stores my mother managed after school and roofing for my uncle over the summer before entering into an apprenticeship and becoming a master electrician.
Every time I go in a gas station or fast food restaurant I leave disgusted. It now takes three millennials to do the job that one 13 year old did in 1990. Where's the work ethic? Convenience stores used to run efficiently with one employee most of the time now has three employees and it still takes longer than it should to get service. The kids entering the work force now are more concerned about their Twatter status than they are about investing in themselves and it shows.
Back when minimum wage was like $5 and hour I moved out at 17 and got my own place (with a room mate) making minimum wage. When I met my wife I was making barely more than minimum wage and that's when I got into an apprenticeship and decided to invest in myself.
For five years I went to school at night to become an expert in my craft and make a way for me and my family to enjoy "a living wage". I didn't get there by mistake. It took hard work, dedication and commitment. The same opportunities are still available today for anyone that wants them. More so actually as we can't seem to find people willing to work nowadays and my pay, over the last 5 years has gone up $10 an hour because of that.
The bottom line is it is not my job, your job, nor the governments to hand somebody a substantial wage. That is earned and it's earned by hard work and investing in one's self.
Why do we have to "try and figure out" how there could be a "flexible" minimum wage depending on business size, nature and ownership?
Where do I even begin on all that? There's a billion possible variations there. You're asking us to micromanage an economy. Why does a business and it's employees need an outside third party, with no skin in the game, to decide how they associate with each other, if at all?