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mRNA vaxed blood donors... ??
posted 5 years ago by Trump_astic 5 years ago by Trump_astic +33 / -0

Question.... will mRNA vaxed people be allowed to donated blood and if so, will recipients of that blood have the option to refuse? Can’t seem to locate any info about this

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– Slyver 9 points 5 years ago +9 / -0

The mRNA immunotherapy breaks down relatively quickly. I don't know the exact time, but it likely has a half life of a couple days. That is pretty standard for the type of PEGylated lipid carriers used in the Pfizer/Moderna shots. That means within a week or two there will be no measurable vaccine left.

So unless you are getting a direct transfusion from someone who was just vaxxed you will be fine.

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– AmericaWinswithTrump 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

Does this mean that anyone who receives the double dose would be clear within a week? a month? of the final injection? What is the danger if someone just received a shot and was then exposed to C19?

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– Slyver 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

My assessment above has nothing to do with potential long term effects of the mRNA immunotherapy, or any of the immunotherapies (Johnson & Johnson, etc.). It is only on the breakdown of the technology itself by the body, and whether future blood transfusions could carry it.

The long term effects in the body of someone receiving the treatment are an entirely different matter. The EFFECTS of the vaccine on the body are certainly long term. Ostensibly it provides protection against the virus. I am not 100% convinced they tested that correctly, since they used PCR in the testing process, and PCR is prone to false positives even when done correctly, but lets say for now that it does have that "positive" effect. It can also potentially cause harm over the course of the week or two after getting the shot. Indeed, such harm has been seen in the side effects, including coma's, paralysis, blindness and death. After a couple weeks from the last shot these particular worries should go away.

There is a potential side effect that is longer term though called pathogenic priming. This effect causes the immune system to overreact when it encounters the real virus at some point in the future and attack the bodies own systems. I have only seen one case where the death fit the profile of that effect (though that is not certain), but of course all the data is hidden, so who knows how often this may have happened already. It may be very rare. It is only a concern because other coronavirus vaccines tested in the past had this long term side effect. These vaccines have not been tested for this effect, which quite frankly is a crime against humanity.

Even that potential effect is likely reduced over time though (on the order of a year or two), so hopefully at some point any negative effects of those who got the vaccine will be eliminated.

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– AmericaWinswithTrump 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Thank you for the clear reply. Another question: if someone received the shots, would that person be helped by Vitamin D3, zinc, and so on to prevent/forestall a cytokine storm if infected post shot series?

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– Slyver 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

The reason zinc works is because it is a cofactor for the surface protein (ACE-2) that the virus attacks. The virus attacks these proteins and turns them off. The increased zinc keeps them active. The reason Vitamin D (and HCQ) work is because they help get the zinc into the cells to do their job.

I do not know what role they would play, if any, in diffusing the cytokine storm the virus can cause that results in an autoimmune response. I have not looked into the pathways of that mechanism. I'm not sure many have because my previous attempts I was unable to find good information on it. It requires some deep digging. I will probably do that at some point, I just haven't gotten around to it.

I would say it is probable that having sufficient vitamins (including B's and C, along with D, K, zinc, and other metals) is very likely to have a positive effect. Having insufficient enzyme cofactors (what people call vitamins) is a common cause of an overreaction to a viral or bacterial attack (AKA a malfunctioning or deficient immune system).

So I would give the answer to your question as a definite maybe. I will do my due diligence at some point and figure out the whole pathogenic priming effect in relation to the coronavirus.

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– AmericaWinswithTrump 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Thank you again. ?

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– LoobintheToobin 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

The manipulated RNA force your body to become a factory of the spike protein. There is no evidence to show this process EVER STOPS. If anyone has evidence to support vaccine half-life, I’d be more than happy to see it. There are countless Vaccine afflicted willing to testify their side effects from these “cures” last a lifetime.

Where is your evidence the vaccine leaves the system in just a few days?

Why would people experience lifelong side effects after a vaccine is out of their system, as you say it is?

These doctors have grave concerns. I have more reason to listen to these Professionals risking their carriers then some random poster online.

Pdf: “Why should current Covid-19 vaccines not be used for mass vaccination during a pandemic” https://www.deblauwetijger.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Geert-vanden-Bossche.pdf

Video: “Dr. James Lyons-Weiler at PA Medical Freedom Press Conference 10/20/20” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoeCB0MudgA&feature=youtu.be

Nov 27 2020: mRna, “Will an RNA Vaccine Permanently Alter My DNA?” https://sciencewithdrdoug.com/2020/11/27/will-an-rna-vaccine-permanently-alter-my-dna/

Good article to counter the theory the Mrna will not change dna “With so many sources of reverse transcriptase, it is quite probable that the RNA introduced into our cells via the vaccine could be reverse transcribed into a segment of double-stranded DNA, and then integrated into our core genetic material in the nucleus of the cell. A variety of specific conditions need to be present for this to occur, but it is possible if the right convergence occurs. Biology is messy and not always perfectly predictable, even when the “rules” are known a priori.” Possible issues with bone transfusions and as a sexually transmitted disease. “This type of genetically modified replacement of cells is seen in some patients who have received bone-marrow transplants from other patients. In these patients, even germline cells such as sperm can inherit these genetic modifications, even though the pathway for this germline modification is still not understood. In these patients, the so called “rules” that presumably prevented such an outcome were violated.” Mrna with “engineered longevity”

“the immune systems of these individuals will attack the cells in their body which express this protein. These people will almost inevitably develop autoimmune conditions which are irreversible, since this foreign protein antigen is now permanently hardwired into the instructions contained in their DNA.” The immune system tries to process the poison, but the body attacks those areas out of desperation. This is occurring early and quickly in many people exhibited in organ failure of the liver or kidneys. Explains why new variants are being reported as more dangerous instead of less, as is the normal viral progression.

Feb 21 2021: Dr. Dolores Cahill, GMO people? “Professor of Molecular Genetics issues ‘chilling warning’ on Covid mRNA vaccines…” https://citizenfreepress.com/column-3/professor-of-molecular-genetics-issues-chilling-warning-on-covid-mrna-vaccines/ Dr. Expects 80% of elderly vaccinated will die when contacting wild virus.

Related/alternate Video link: what’s really in the shot? People turn themselves into gmo?! https://conspiracies.win/p/12hkrAgcOU/holy-sht--we-missed-a-huge-thing/c/

Feb 28 2021 "Urgent Open Letter from Doctors and Scientists to the European Medicines Agency regarding COVID-19 Vaccine Safety Concerns" https://archive.ph/JFyT5

Mar 5 2021 "UPDATED - How Many People Are the Vaccines Killing?" https://archive.ph/knV6G "most governments are now doing everything they can to ensure that all criticisms of vaccines are banned. Depending on where you live it is, or soon will be, illegal even to mention that vaccines might not always work or might make you ill" https://vernoncoleman.org/articles/how-many-people-are-vaccines-killing Some of the stories there look familiar but a lot of them don't. And this list is put together by a doctor, not just some random people on the internet. Big list of side effects at the end also.

March 15 2021: “COVID-19 VACCINES ARE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND COULD WIPE OUT THE HUMAN RACE IMPORTANT VIDEO!” https://www.bitchute.com/video/c0NjGwNZc7cI/

“Immune Enhancement: The Dark Side of Antibodies and Implications for COVID-19 Vaccine Development” https://archive.ph/j6BdK

If the changes are not permanent why worry about sperm? Moon sperm backup plan.

https://i.maga.host/iVBP2p8.png

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– obvious_bicycler 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

The whole reason mRNA vaccines are a new technology is that it took decades of research to figure out hoe to keep the mRNA around long enough for it to enter your cells and produce proteins. mRNA is a temporary molecule in your body and the mRNA in your cells has a half-life of minutes to hours. The mRNA vaccines use modified nucleotides to try to extend the life time of the molecule by trying to hide it from RNA degradation proteins in your blood. Even modified nucleotide mRNA transcripts only last a few days in the blood at best.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26264835/

As for the permanent changes to the DNA, it is almost impossible. You are right there are many reverse transcriptases in our cells, but these are specific to specific transcripts. Keep in mind each cell in your body is creating mRNA trillions of times each day. With the exception of retrotransposon elements, none of these transcripts get inserted into the genome. If there was any chance for chance reverse transcriptions and integrations into the genome, then we would all be screwed! Interestingly there was a preprint published on demonstrating covid could insert itself into the genome

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.12.422516v1.full.pdf

But this got a lot of criticism. Notice how they couldnt use the endogenous reverse transcriptases? Reverse transcription and dna insertion are highly organized and regulated processes that a few rna transcripts entering your cells couldnt achieve.

And remember that for every doctor posting their grave concerns there are thousands that trust the clinical trial data that so far shows it is safe

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– LoobintheToobin 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Why would the vaccine creators not allow transparency of their contents so doctors can verify there would be no reverse transcriptions and integrations into the genome?

Having been given Anthrax as a “vaccine” after the government created the problem I trust neither the government nor the medical industry to have my best interest in mind and would not put it past them to include such an ingredient that allowed for dna integration on purpose.

The physical responses to the concoction are enough to warrant withdrawal and re-examination. How can I trust them when they purposely continue Hiding and lying about side effects and results?

Thank you for taking the time to reply. I will spend time examining your links and considering your view.

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– Loquitur_Veritatem 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Good question, likely hasn't been addressed yet and I doubt that's a question they even ask donors.

Hadn't thought about it before, thanks for bringing it up.

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– obvious_bicycler 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

The half-life of mRNA used in the Pfizer/moderna vaccines (which is modified to last longer through pseudouridylation) is on the order of hours to days. The half life of the spike proteins produced by the vaccine is probably days. However, even if someone gave blood hours after receiving the vaccine if is unlikely any of the biological components of vaccine would find their way to the donated blood as they are largely retained at the site of injection.

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– LoobintheToobin 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

(For external viewers pardon the repeat post)

The manipulated RNA force your body to become a factory of the spike protein. There is no evidence to show this process EVER STOPS. If anyone has evidence to support vaccine half-life, I’d be more than happy to see it. There are countless Vaccine afflicted willing to testify their side effects from these “cures” last a lifetime.

Where is your evidence the vaccine leaves the system in just a few days?

Why would people experience lifelong side effects after a vaccine is out of their system, as you say it is?

These doctors have grave concerns. I have more reason to listen to these Professionals risking their carriers then some random poster online.

Pdf: “Why should current Covid-19 vaccines not be used for mass vaccination during a pandemic” https://www.deblauwetijger.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Geert-vanden-Bossche.pdf

Video: “Dr. James Lyons-Weiler at PA Medical Freedom Press Conference 10/20/20” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoeCB0MudgA&feature=youtu.be

Nov 27 2020: mRna, “Will an RNA Vaccine Permanently Alter My DNA?” https://sciencewithdrdoug.com/2020/11/27/will-an-rna-vaccine-permanently-alter-my-dna/

Good article to counter the theory the Mrna will not change dna “With so many sources of reverse transcriptase, it is quite probable that the RNA introduced into our cells via the vaccine could be reverse transcribed into a segment of double-stranded DNA, and then integrated into our core genetic material in the nucleus of the cell. A variety of specific conditions need to be present for this to occur, but it is possible if the right convergence occurs. Biology is messy and not always perfectly predictable, even when the “rules” are known a priori.” Possible issues with bone transfusions and as a sexually transmitted disease. “This type of genetically modified replacement of cells is seen in some patients who have received bone-marrow transplants from other patients. In these patients, even germline cells such as sperm can inherit these genetic modifications, even though the pathway for this germline modification is still not understood. In these patients, the so called “rules” that presumably prevented such an outcome were violated.” Mrna with “engineered longevity”

“the immune systems of these individuals will attack the cells in their body which express this protein. These people will almost inevitably develop autoimmune conditions which are irreversible, since this foreign protein antigen is now permanently hardwired into the instructions contained in their DNA.” The immune system tries to process the poison, but the body attacks those areas out of desperation. This is occurring early and quickly in many people exhibited in organ failure of the liver or kidneys. Explains why new variants are being reported as more dangerous instead of less, as is the normal viral progression.

Feb 21 2021: Dr. Dolores Cahill, GMO people? “Professor of Molecular Genetics issues ‘chilling warning’ on Covid mRNA vaccines…” https://citizenfreepress.com/column-3/professor-of-molecular-genetics-issues-chilling-warning-on-covid-mrna-vaccines/ Dr. Expects 80% of elderly vaccinated will die when contacting wild virus.

Related/alternate Video link: what’s really in the shot? People turn themselves into gmo?! https://conspiracies.win/p/12hkrAgcOU/holy-sht--we-missed-a-huge-thing/c/

Feb 28 2021 "Urgent Open Letter from Doctors and Scientists to the European Medicines Agency regarding COVID-19 Vaccine Safety Concerns" https://archive.ph/JFyT5

Mar 5 2021 "UPDATED - How Many People Are the Vaccines Killing?" https://archive.ph/knV6G "most governments are now doing everything they can to ensure that all criticisms of vaccines are banned. Depending on where you live it is, or soon will be, illegal even to mention that vaccines might not always work or might make you ill" https://vernoncoleman.org/articles/how-many-people-are-vaccines-killing Some of the stories there look familiar but a lot of them don't. And this list is put together by a doctor, not just some random people on the internet. Big list of side effects at the end also.

March 15 2021: “COVID-19 VACCINES ARE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND COULD WIPE OUT THE HUMAN RACE IMPORTANT VIDEO!” https://www.bitchute.com/video/c0NjGwNZc7cI/

“Immune Enhancement: The Dark Side of Antibodies and Implications for COVID-19 Vaccine Development” https://archive.ph/j6BdK

If the changes are not permanent why worry about sperm? Moon sperm backup plan.

https://i.maga.host/iVBP2p8.png

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– Slyver 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

The manipulated RNA force your body to become a factory of the spike protein. There is no evidence to show this process EVER STOPS.

Typical mRNA half-life in cytoplasm is 10 hours.

The mRNA in the Pfizer vaccine is modified to last longer in the cytoplasm, nevertheless it only lasts a little longer. (I can't find the reference right now, but I assure you it exists. I think the half-life for this mRNA once it was in the cytoplasm was around a day. There is just too much stuff in your post to go through to find it right now).

Even outside of the cytoplasm, in solution, it was not lasting as long as they hoped. I dug through the leaked documents from Pfizer and found it had degraded from their estimated 78% to 55% in transport, despite the -80F temperature it was being stored at. Here is a report on that. It is not the original leaked document because that information was deep in there, and I don't want to have to find it again.

mRNA degradation is standard cell/molecular biology. Anyone who has studied biology knows this. It is fundamental. mRNA can really be thought of as a cells software. Imagine if it did not degrade. At some point you would never be able to change cellular function because your cell would be full of previous mRNA! All life would cease to exist if mRNA did not degrade relatively quickly.

The amount of evidence I can show you that it DOES stop is, I don't know, millions, billions of pages of evidence? From a molecular biology point of view its like questioning if 1+1=2.

There are countless Vaccine afflicted willing to testify their side effects from these “cures” last a lifetime.

This is because of memory immune cells. This is how vaccinations are supposed to work. The immune response is such that it stores the "cure" within the immune system itself. This has absolutely nothing to do with the mRNA or the proteins on the cells, or even the vaccine itself, but in the intended response of the immune system. To explain the immune system in sufficient detail to help you understand how it works would take too much time right now. Your post is just too big (seriously, smaller chunks next time, please).

Why would people experience lifelong side effects after a vaccine is out of their system, as you say it is?

There is potential for something called pathogenic priming, which could last years afterwards. This is due to the memory immune response I mentioned above, not the vaccine staying in your body. The vaccine could also just cause permanent damage from the initial immune response. Again, permanent damage is not the vaccine staying in your body. It is organ damage and has absolutely nothing to do with the vaccine after the fact.

Where is your evidence the vaccine leaves the system in just a few days?

Ugh, there is too much to look this up again. I've seen reports on this particular PEGylated lipid nanoparticle, but I can't find it on a quick search. There is too much stuff... Regardless I do research on very similar systems. The body is designed to break down any foreign invader. The PEGylation is designed to avoid the immune system, however, it only works so well. The immune system is really good at getting rid of foreign shit in our blood. They also just break down due to other things (mechanical forces). In my experience working on very similar tech the half life of a well designed system is about two days. Take my word for it or don't but find me a single resource that says otherwise. I will take a look at it.

These doctors have grave concerns.

The first article is about population level concerns of the types of vaccines being deployed (they are not whole virus shell vaccines, which is problematic). It has absolutely nothing to do with anything that I have said. Nevertheless, I agree that what he is saying is concerning and is grounds to stop the vaccine "experiment".

The second also agrees with everything I have said here and elsewhere. I am not sure why you think that refutes anything, on the contrary, we are in complete agreement.

The third is well written, but he makes a mistake:

With so many sources of reverse transcriptase, it is quite probable that the RNA introduced into our cells via the vaccine could be reverse transcribed into a segment of double-stranded DNA, and then integrated into our core genetic material in the nucleus of the cell.

His use of the term "quite probable" has nothing to do with reality. We measure things. When we measure things we can determine how likely something is to happen. He should have used the word "possible". Indeed it is possible, but the truth is, it is incredibly unlikely. This is a well measured effect. For an mRNA that is already in the cytosol it is unbelievably unlikely. In the case of the vaccine the mRNA is already in the cytosol. Without the proper signals imbedded into the mRNA (for which I have seen zero evidence) it is nearly impossible for it to get into the nucleus. Even if it did get into the nucleus it is nearly impossible for a reverse transcriptase to even be active at all, much less pick up the one mRNA that happened to (impossibly) get into the nucleus. So that's 3x nearly impossible for it to happen at all. If those 3x's did happen, it would maybe happen in a SINGLE CELL of a SINGLE PERSON (out of millions). That cell would then be expressing the exact thing intended to cause an immune response and is more likely to be removed by the immune system than not.

He then goes on to talk about it changing stem cells which is again, incredibly unlikely for an ADDITIONAL reason to the ones above. Stem cells are incredibly well protected in something called a stem cell niche. Blood born pathogens rarely make it into the niche. I'm not saying its impossible, its just one extra level of improbable on top of the others.

His discussion of bone marrow transplants is woefully misplaced which is surprising, since in general he knows what he is talking about. But as I have said many times, biology is incredibly complicated. Even experts make mistakes some times. Bone marrow transplantation is a transplantation of stem cell niches. These off target effects he mentioned have absolutely nothing to do with mRNA but with the transplanting of stem cells themselves.

He even says himself:

I think most molecular biologists would look at my thesis and discount it as improbable, and I wouldn’t argue with them too strongly

What he fails to mention is how improbable it is (maybe once in a generation does an mRNA incorporation of any type have a permanent effect at an organismal level (a single person), and much more rarely in the germline).

You have to understand, our cells are full of mRNA. That is one of the most important and prolific molecules in our bodies. If our mRNA was being written constantly to our DNA we would cease to exist. The cell is designed to prevent it from happening. It is one of the most important systems in our cells. mRNA writing to DNA (outside of very specific circumstances) is incredibly rare. To think it can change an organism (a person in this case) with any reasonable degree of probability is frankly, idiotic. Its not impossible, its just not something to worry about. You are more likely to get hit by lightning 18 times in the next 5 seconds without a cloud in the sky than for this to happen without other ingredients that are not listed as part of the vaccine.

This is the difference between someone speaking theoretically and inappropriately extrapolating (what the person in the article does) and someone who is an actual cell biology researcher who studies and tests these specific things (me).

As for the rest:

The vaccines are killing people. It is not being reported. This is a crime against humanity. None of these things have anything to do with the viral mRNA being written to the DNA.

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– LoobintheToobin 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Thank you for the lengthy response. It will take me some time to process.

Do you believe the government and medical complex are incapable of putting a reverse transcription into the vaccine on purpose and lying about it?

Would people who happily make chimera human mice have reservations stopping them from altering human dna?

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– Slyver 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Do you believe the government and medical complex are incapable of putting a reverse transcription into the vaccine on purpose and lying about it?

They absolutely could. Its not as simple as just adding that enzyme, but yes, they could put all the machinery in with the mRNA. There are a few reasons why I don't think they did.

  1. They want to test the technology as advertised. It's actually pretty cool tech, with potential applications. The problem is, its originally a cancer tech. In order to get large scale testing there aren't enough cancer patients (of the type this tech could be used on). They need another application, like an emergency vaccine.
  2. There are better ways to alter DNA than the method suggested. CRISPR-cas9 is WAAAAYYYY better, if that was the desire.
  3. There is no reason to alter our cells to permanantly produce THIS particular protein. There are much better proteins for many different purposes that would be much more interesting.
  4. They woud be found out (eventually) if they put in other ingredients than what is listed. They are currently completely free from responsibility with regards to this tech. But if they put something in that wasn't listed, they could be sued for all their worth. They would lose everything.

Would people who happily make chimera human mice have reservations stopping them from altering human dna?

I do not think the PTB have any moral qualms about doing such a thing. I think it is likely that that is a goal. I just don't think they are doing it with this.

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– LoobintheToobin 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

I respect your opinion. I hope you’re right.

I think the ptb are more murdery and e-vile than your theory gives them credit for, ready to jump into some crazy apocalyptic future they rule. I don’t trust them to be honest about their contents or motives. I don’t think they would change the general dna or create a mega spreading virus without a back up plan, but at the same time I wouldn’t put it past them. I know we are far deeper into Crispr chaos than the general public has any idea about. I don’t believe them when they say they aren’t using it in this vaccine.

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– BeckyDtheAmerican 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Are non vaxxed at risk caring for people that have been vaxxed?

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– LoobintheToobin 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Can people get hiv from a mosquito? If yes, I would say yes to your question, if not then no. I’m unfamiliar with that, and also question if the scientists are telling the truth about how/if mosquito actually spread “viruses.” Seeing as even Zika was never authentically isolated.

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– LoobintheToobin 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

I had a link about how the vaccinated were not required to notify in Canada to give blood, but I just can’t find it in my sea of stuff. It should be on this pdf https://files.catbox.moe/n19awv.pdf If I find it I will drop back by with it. The information you seek should be available searching the rules and regulations of places that draw blood.

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– Trump_astic [S] 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Thank you!

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