I hate how modern collectivists call themselves "progressives". There is nothing progressive about it. Collectivism is an ancient cancer that has plagued humanity for most of its history.
The real progressives are the Christians that broke the cycle with the concept of universal principles and the free-market capitalist that taught us how to coexist with voluntary interactions free of coercion.
It gets confusing. Nazis were socialists but not by most modern understandings of socialism. The Nazis wanted to socialize production in the sense of creating an economy where the benefits of the economy went toward benefiting the State first and therefore its citizens first. This was in competition with international capitalism or international communism. Today we mostly call what Hitler was against as neoliberalism/globalism.
The Nazis had private property and capital in their economic system. The Nazis also privatized many industries/businesses. By a modern socialist's standards, the Nazis weren't socialist because most modern socialists dislike capital.
A better word for the Nazi's economy is National Capitalism; however, at the time of the Nazis, capitalism was becoming synonomous with globalism/neoliberalism; whereas socialism was not entirely defined and was viewed more as simply a way to align a country's production such that it benefited all the citizens of the country rather than benefiting foreigners.
Hitler's economic system is likely one of the best economic systems for any country. Staunch capitalists on here would actually quite like Hitler's economy because Hitler believed in capitalism except wanted to detach himself from international banking and trade agreements that didn't benefit the country, reduced its sovereignty or did not allow the country to be self-sufficient.
Calling Nazis socialists as a modern insult to try and liken modern socialists to Nazis completely misses the mark. It's not much better than communists saying the end-goal of capitalism is fascism. What everyone is missing here in the discussion is ALL OF US, whether you're communist, capitalist, or whatever, hate the same enemy which is international neoliberalism. Fascism was a counter to this and the most effective counter ever. It was the only real counter and the world went to war against Hitler because of it. No other economic system has ever managed to counter international neoliberalism. For all the theorizing of communists, we actually have a proven system that can beat international neoliberalism and that's fascism.
Spot on. Two sides of the same coin.
I hate how modern collectivists call themselves "progressives". There is nothing progressive about it. Collectivism is an ancient cancer that has plagued humanity for most of its history.
The real progressives are the Christians that broke the cycle with the concept of universal principles and the free-market capitalist that taught us how to coexist with voluntary interactions free of coercion.
Incorrect, it is "progressive" like a cancer is progressive in its growth before it ultimately kills the host.
Yes progressive means progress toward socialism and eventually communism.
It gets confusing. Nazis were socialists but not by most modern understandings of socialism. The Nazis wanted to socialize production in the sense of creating an economy where the benefits of the economy went toward benefiting the State first and therefore its citizens first. This was in competition with international capitalism or international communism. Today we mostly call what Hitler was against as neoliberalism/globalism.
The Nazis had private property and capital in their economic system. The Nazis also privatized many industries/businesses. By a modern socialist's standards, the Nazis weren't socialist because most modern socialists dislike capital.
A better word for the Nazi's economy is National Capitalism; however, at the time of the Nazis, capitalism was becoming synonomous with globalism/neoliberalism; whereas socialism was not entirely defined and was viewed more as simply a way to align a country's production such that it benefited all the citizens of the country rather than benefiting foreigners.
Hitler's economic system is likely one of the best economic systems for any country. Staunch capitalists on here would actually quite like Hitler's economy because Hitler believed in capitalism except wanted to detach himself from international banking and trade agreements that didn't benefit the country, reduced its sovereignty or did not allow the country to be self-sufficient.
Calling Nazis socialists as a modern insult to try and liken modern socialists to Nazis completely misses the mark. It's not much better than communists saying the end-goal of capitalism is fascism. What everyone is missing here in the discussion is ALL OF US, whether you're communist, capitalist, or whatever, hate the same enemy which is international neoliberalism. Fascism was a counter to this and the most effective counter ever. It was the only real counter and the world went to war against Hitler because of it. No other economic system has ever managed to counter international neoliberalism. For all the theorizing of communists, we actually have a proven system that can beat international neoliberalism and that's fascism.
Pretty much nationalists who nationalized any major corporation, they supported small biz but controlled everything deemed essential to growth.
Yup