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They want to give "participants" 4 shots not two. And there is 4 different kinds of doses. Explaining the wide variety of reactions to the vax (clinicaltrials.gov)
posted 5 years ago by Dson 5 years ago by Dson +40 / -0
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– Slyver 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

That is for the Phase 1/2/3 clinical trials for Pfizer. That has nothing to do with the EUA vaccine that is offered to the public. The clinical trials are (at least supposedly) under controlled conditions with data and tests for reactions designed to determine efficacy and safety (probably not, but at least its part of the protocol).

For the EUA vaccine, the one "offered" to the 100M+ people of the US and across the world there is almost certainly only one dosage, no control group and no data taken for the purposes of studying efficacy or safety.

One is an actual experiment (at least according to the protocol) and one is more like shooting an experiment at a group of people with a shotgun and not caring what happens to the people.

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– Dson [S] 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

How do you explain the different reactions to the live vax (thats still in trial hence it being experimental)? Them giving 4 different kinds of vaccines (proof they give placebo (saline)) seems like their tiral is happening right now. And the article says its not finished for another two years.

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– Slyver 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

The current EUA is experimental, its not an experiment. They aren't keeping data on the people that they are injecting, they are just injecting. Its essential that people understand the difference.

Why are there different reactions? Because how could there not be? People are different. They have different health issues (even if they don't know it). They have different states of nutrition (vitamin deficiencies e.g.). They have different genetics (express different amounts or different variants of some proteins). All of these contribute to different reactions. That is why experiments are done.

There are extraordinarily few experiments on animals where all recipients have the same or even similar reactions. That is because those types of reactions, where they are always or mostly the same, have weeded out bad applications of a technology long before it gets to animal trials (in vitro studies are always first).

There have been a couple anecdotes of saline shots. That is not in any way evidence of different dosages or some data collection experiment by design. It could be because someone who ran a place that was distributing the vaccines saw a lot of aberrant reactions and decided to give out saline shots to help save lives. It could be because white hats substituted a bunch of vaccine vials with saline. It could be because a nurse picked up the wrong vial. No one knows.

Regardless, the paper you are linking to is 100% only about the phase 1/2/3 clinical trials for Pfizer. In no way does that directly translate or offer any evidence for the EUA vaccine distribution. That doesn't mean that they aren't distributing different dosages but it absolutely is not evidence that they are, and neither are different reactions.

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– Cyphr 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

I want the kind that makes magnets stick to your arm where you got the shot. I have all these kitchen magnets that I want to put to good use... so, there's that.

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