God's Word is written in stone. If He said it will come to be, then it will. He alone declares the end from the beginning
"Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away."
Matthew 24:35
"But the word of the Lord remains forever.”
1 Peter 1:25
"Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’ calling a bird of prey from the east, the man of my counsel from a far country. I have spoken, and I will bring it to pass; I have purposed, and I will do it."
Isaiah 46:9-11
...and others.
The Canon is complete. We can debate about that on another forum if you wish.
80% of Biblical prophecy has come true. The remaining 20% pertains to the End Times and Israel's future state.
I couldn't care less about the vast amount of human knowledge that the Vatican has stockpiled.
I agree, but your misinterpreting what i meant. The Bible only has a small fraction of Gods actual message in it. I guarantee you the majority of his works are in that library.
We're not talking hand me down re-written, re-scribed, generations of editorial editions here.
Where talking about the original stuff, straight from a saint, a prophet or Gods hands himself.
What your reading out of that book you call a bible now is a cheap copy at best.
Still it's the best we got. Imagine what they have at their disposal of your bible is 80% accurate.
No, I heard what you were saying. Heard it before, too. “What we have is copy after copy after copy etc.”
The originals don’t exist anymore. And, sorry to bust your bubble, they’re not in the Vatican’s closet either. There are more manuscripts and fragments from the New Testament than any other book from ancient antiquity - by far. From those manuscripts and fragments (and citations from the early church fathers) we can accurately reconstruct what the originals said to a 99.9% accuracy. The more copies we have, the better we can piece back what the originals said. No need for the originals. And this process is NOTHING like playing the telephone game either. If you’d like to know more about how this process works, then we can discuss further.
“ The Bible only has a small fraction of Gods actual message in it.”
This statement claims special knowledge, which you do not have. The only way for you to validly make this claim is if you knew what Gods message was in its entirety in order to know that what we have in our possession is “only a fragment.”
With the way bibliographic evidence from the first century works, and with the knowledge of how early first century textual transmission works, you would know that the Bible that we hold in our hands today is 99.9% accurate to what the original authors wrote. Gods Word has been preserved in a way that no other book has been preserved.
Put it this way. We have FAR less manuscripts/copies/fragments from Aristotle and Plato’s writings than we do if the NT, yet we’re still able to piece together accurate, modern renditions of their originals - and NO ONE questions their accuracy. With the mountains more manuscripts/copies/fragments that we have for the NT, then all the more, we should trust in the accuracy of our modern day renditions.
A Fortiori
Now I’m not saying that the accuracy of our modern copies makes what’s talked about in the Bible true - that’s a different discussion all together - just that we can trust, what we have in our hands today, is ACTUALLY what the original authors wrote down.
God's Word is written in stone. If He said it will come to be, then it will. He alone declares the end from the beginning
"Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away." Matthew 24:35
"But the word of the Lord remains forever.” 1 Peter 1:25
"Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’ calling a bird of prey from the east, the man of my counsel from a far country. I have spoken, and I will bring it to pass; I have purposed, and I will do it." Isaiah 46:9-11
...and others.
The Canon is complete. We can debate about that on another forum if you wish.
80% of Biblical prophecy has come true. The remaining 20% pertains to the End Times and Israel's future state.
I couldn't care less about the vast amount of human knowledge that the Vatican has stockpiled.
I agree, but your misinterpreting what i meant. The Bible only has a small fraction of Gods actual message in it. I guarantee you the majority of his works are in that library.
We're not talking hand me down re-written, re-scribed, generations of editorial editions here.
Where talking about the original stuff, straight from a saint, a prophet or Gods hands himself.
What your reading out of that book you call a bible now is a cheap copy at best.
Still it's the best we got. Imagine what they have at their disposal of your bible is 80% accurate.
No, I heard what you were saying. Heard it before, too. “What we have is copy after copy after copy etc.”
The originals don’t exist anymore. And, sorry to bust your bubble, they’re not in the Vatican’s closet either. There are more manuscripts and fragments from the New Testament than any other book from ancient antiquity - by far. From those manuscripts and fragments (and citations from the early church fathers) we can accurately reconstruct what the originals said to a 99.9% accuracy. The more copies we have, the better we can piece back what the originals said. No need for the originals. And this process is NOTHING like playing the telephone game either. If you’d like to know more about how this process works, then we can discuss further.
“ The Bible only has a small fraction of Gods actual message in it.”
This statement claims special knowledge, which you do not have. The only way for you to validly make this claim is if you knew what Gods message was in its entirety in order to know that what we have in our possession is “only a fragment.”
With the way bibliographic evidence from the first century works, and with the knowledge of how early first century textual transmission works, you would know that the Bible that we hold in our hands today is 99.9% accurate to what the original authors wrote. Gods Word has been preserved in a way that no other book has been preserved.
Put it this way. We have FAR less manuscripts/copies/fragments from Aristotle and Plato’s writings than we do if the NT, yet we’re still able to piece together accurate, modern renditions of their originals - and NO ONE questions their accuracy. With the mountains more manuscripts/copies/fragments that we have for the NT, then all the more, we should trust in the accuracy of our modern day renditions.
A Fortiori
Now I’m not saying that the accuracy of our modern copies makes what’s talked about in the Bible true - that’s a different discussion all together - just that we can trust, what we have in our hands today, is ACTUALLY what the original authors wrote down.