Where do you live? Cleveland's poverty is still outdone by Detroit by virtue of all the websites I just looked that up on, but no doubt it's in the top 5 of every one of them. The roads are horrible, that's true - every season without snow is "orange barrel season" yet the roads still suck. The violent crime rate is why I carry (legally of course). You make very good points. And for me, it sucks to be in an area that is basically the laughing stock of the fucking country right now. Thankfully I don't live in Cleveland, but rather one of the suburbs, but I do work downtown and my suburb is considered part of the "greater Cleveland area".