Was it any different to what the Americans did to Japanese in USA? What if USA had been invaded and supply lines to American POW camps housing Japanese had been cut off? They would have died from disease and starvation just as what happened in the German/Polish camps housing communists (mostly but not exclusively Jews). Imagine the guilt and the sympathy that could be extracted? Actually in the multi-billions of $ in the case of the Jews, still being paid to this day, to people who were never in the camps. I'm not a mathematician but if there were only 3 million Jews in German occupied territories, how did the Germans kill 6 million? Did they have Dominion voting machines counting the dead?
So the thousands of first hand accounts of veterans is all bullshit is it. The discovery of the ovens, the guillotines and gas chambers along with thousands of pictures and video as documented evidence is bullshit is it? The mounds of clothing and shoes. The train cars loaded up like cattle was just a transportation of good honest workers going to a work camp? Dr. Mengele, the angel of death, with his human skin tattooed lamp shades was the good guy was he? and it was the bad allies who cut off their food and caused them to starve?
So the thousands of first hand accounts of veterans is all bullshit is it.
Most of it, yes. Not because "thousands of first hand accounts of veterans" actually exists, but because the idea that "thousands of first hand accounts of veterans" exists at all is not true.
The discovery of the ovens
There were no ovens, in the sense you are infering.
guillotines
Not sure about many (or any) reports of guillotines. But there is a report that a German officer was executed for abusing prisoners. That was by hanging, though, not by guillotine. Strange story, huh? Somebody is lying.
gas chambers
There were no gas chambers, in the sense you are infering. There were de-lousing chambers to prevent the spread of Typhus, which was a killer in Europe at the time, and was spread by lice.
The mounds of clothing and shoes.
Their clothes and shoes were taken during the de-lousing period because they wanted to prevent the spread of Typhus via lice. They were issued new, clean clothes.
The train cars loaded up like cattle was just a transportation of good honest workers going to a work camp?
The train cars were real. The prison camps were real. The stories of why people were sent there, and what happened in those camps are mostly lies.
The Americans knew that the Japanese government had declared war on the US (that whole saga is another set of misinformation, at best, but that is another story).
Because the Americans did not know which side Japanese-Americans would be on, they were sent off to prison camps (called "internment camps" due to propaganda). Not saying this was justified, only that it is a fact of history.
At the same time, Jewish world leadership (their "government" you might say) declared war on Germany. They tried to destroy Germany's economy. The German government responded by sending Jewish-Germans to prison camps (called "concentration camps" due to propaganda), because they didn't know who's side the Jews were on.
Exact same reason, in both cases.
Hitler had a couple of Jews in his high-level military, according to some sources. If so, he trusted some Jews, but most Jews were suspect, due to what Jews had done to Germany in the past.
IOW: It was a REACTION, and not an ACTION.
human skin tattooed lamp shades
That is a flat out lie, that has been known for decades. This statement was made up and later admitted that it never happened. Same as the story of using Jewish fat to make soap. Made up story that never happened.
it was the bad allies who cut off their food and caused them to starve?
Nobody who has looked into this denies that the allies cut off all supplies into Germany, including food. This was the final move that ended the war.
The German people and the camp prisoners, alike, had less food to eat.
The starvation figures could also have been people who suffered illness due to Typhus, which killed people. It is estimated that almost 300,000 people died in those prison camps, mostly from Typhus.
Regarding the 6,000,000 "Jews killed" narrative, do you even know how many Jews lived in Germany at that time?
About 500,000. That right there should be a clue.
You are, right now, where I was a few years ago. I believed the narrative because everyone else did (same as we are seeing today with Covid).
For YEARS, I skoffed at the idea that the Holocaust stories were in any way not true. BUT ... I never actually CHECKED IT OUT FOR MYSELF.
One day, I decided to look into why so many people were making these claims. Once I did, I realized it is mostly a LIE.
Do yourself a favor. Discover the TRUTH for yourself. Don't parrot what others say. RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF.
“Because the idea of first hand accounts exists”? Buddy your delusional. How do you go about understanding an event that took place in history? You go to the people who have first hand accounts and experience in the matter not some professor and knowledgeable tale teller like yourself. These veterans have told their stories and they are everywhere and there are thousands of veterans that collaborate the same story. Do yourself a favor and listen to them. It was a war, of course they cut off supplies you. Go and study war and quit trying to twist it and act like war doesn’t have collateral damage. Their tactic of cutting off supplies does not deny nor whitewash the evidence of what took place in those camps. Once again there are plenty of pictures and video evidence of gas chambers, knowledge of the use of zyklon b, of guillotines and ovens. Let alone mass graves with poor sap shot and thrown in a shallow grave. Your gaslighting the fact that there are an overwhelming majority of first hand accounts and it proves you haven’t looked too far or are merely a propagandist spinning a lie rather than listening to those first hand accounts.
You have a personal agenda to promote one opinion, and do not seem to want to investigate the truth of that opinion.
You said "veterans" which implies (to me) war veterans, meaning people in the military who came to the camps. There are not thousands of those.
Regarding the people who were imprisoned in the camps, there are many of those who later admitted they lied to promote the message they thought was important.
If someone survived to tell their story, then it means they were not killed. They might be ebellishing their story, or they might be telling the truth about what they experienced.
Clearly, they were not gassed to death or had their skin turned into a lampshade.
Those are lies, and have been shown through objective evidence to be lies.
You want to believe, and so you believe. But it is obvious you have no interest in looking at things objectively.
The totality of the evidence does not support your position, no matter how much you want it to be so.
There were 500,000 Jews living in Germany prior to the war. There were not 6,000,000 Jews living in all of the areas of Europe that Germany controlled. There were more Jews living in the world after WWII than before. Auschwitz itself had a plaque that claimed 4 million were killed there, but later changed to 1.5 million, with no explanation of why the numbers were magically changed.
The story does not hold up under scrutiny.
P.S. Talmud teaches these people to lie. It should not be surprising when they do.
Do you know about the temple of pergamon and the sacrifices that were done inside the golden bull out front? Do you know the significance of it being brought to Germany and Hitler using that replication for his speeches? Are you Stating through your presentation that the nazis were the good guys?
I don’t care about the statistics. Liars use statistics. I am talking about the few Holocaust survivors and their first hand accounts, yes. And no, their stories weren’t proven to be a lie , they were actually verified through evidence and other accounts that corroborate their stories. I am talking about the veterans who went into those camps and have given their testimonies and accounts. I am referring to the photos and videos taken of those camps. I am talking about the mass graves that were uncovered and documented all over Europe. All you have is the reply that it’s a lie. That’s not a very intelligent response. I am taking all of my hours upon hours upon hours of studying ww11 into account. And all you have to say is “it’s a lie and none of it is real.” Who’s the one with an agenda hombre? My life is dedicated to searching things out and discerning who is a liar and who is sincere. Who are you to come at me with no evidence other than “it’s a lie”
You have the same tactic and wit as all the other educated fools trying to convince people that they are witty and intelligent and to just believe me because I say.
Yes, I know. And that's one of the problems. If only 500,000 jews lived in Germany, and 6,000,000 were not even under German control, then there is a 0% probability that 6,000,000 died of whatever cause(s). That you don't care about these statistics is irrelevant. They are facts, whether you like them or not.
I am talking about the few Holocaust survivors and their first hand accounts, yes.
I posted a video in my OP from one of the people who survived the camps. Even she is questioning some things. And she was there, apparently.
And no, their stories weren’t proven to be a lie , they were actually verified through evidence and other accounts that corroborate their stories.
You are not speaking about ALL the accounts, because there were some who admitted they lied in order to promote the "greater good," just as the Talmud teaches.
I am referring to the photos and videos taken of those camps.
You mean like the one that I posted about, where the video was NOT taken at Auschwitz, but somebody LIED and claimed it was?
I am talking about the mass graves that were uncovered and documented all over Europe.
Some of those stories have proven to be lies. I do not know about all of them. I do know that Goebbels wrote about Churchill's lies about one of those supposed mass graves (it was the Polish jews who committed the atrocities, but Churchill blamed it on the Germans). In his article "Churchill's Lie Factory," Goebbels wrote about how the English were known to tell the "Big Lie" to the point that it would become ridiculous.
All you have is the reply that it’s a lie.
I have presented more evidence in this thread (the eye witness survivor's statement in my OP) than you have (none).
I am taking all of my hours upon hours upon hours of studying ww11 into account.
I am doing the same. And I have actually presented more in this thread than you have (which is none).
And all you have to say is “it’s a lie and none of it is real.”
Wrong. I presented an eye witness' statement that the video footage put out by the Soviet government was a lie.
Who’s the one with an agenda hombre?
You are, amigo.
Who are you to come at me with no evidence other than “it’s a lie”
Again, I have provided more evidence in this thread than you have, which is none.
You have the same tactic and wit as all the other educated fools trying to convince people that they are witty and intelligent and to just believe me because I say.
Were you looking into a mirror when you wrote that? Mr. Tea Kettle, meet Mr. Black.
I get the impression that you didn't even watch the video, but just responded in a knee-jerk reaction because of the subject matter.
If so, you should watch it.
What is your impression of this prison camp survivor? Is she lying about the snow? Lying about what the Russians told her? If she is lying, then how do you explain that the videos ACTUALLY do not show any snow at all -- in January 1945, in Poland?
My point of the statistics is that just as in your case they are used to manipulate a narrative. That does not discredit the testimonies of soldiers who had first hand accounts they retold and the mass killing that took place regardless of the total tally. Does that one video of aushwitz discredit what took place there or even at deschau? Or any of the other camps? or does it just discredit the individual and her statements? And of course you would point out and quote goebbels that makes sense now. Not that Churchill was a saint. No, you still have not disproven all the firsthand accounts that contradict the few that you’ve brought forward.
I don’t see the links you are referring too. I’d be Glad to look at them, I enjoy being presented with alternative views.
Do you believe that the ss and higher ranking officers studied and were deeply involved in occult practices?
Face the truth that some retard on the internet knows more than someone I’ve personally talked to who was there and experienced it? You should go outside more and talk to people in the real world outside of the internet and it’s delusions.
There were massive financial incentives given to continue the lie. I don't assume to know you, but if you could lie and be given enough money to never have to work again, would you take the money?
No. I found that personal integrity is much more rewarding in life.
Edit- that’s just me. The world is full of greed. I’ve seen enough connections within the occult and personal beliefs within the nazi party to know they weren’t on the right side of Truth, nor did they have humanitarian purposes that weren’t self serving. I also know the eugenics and Lucifarian philosophy and ties to the Nazis that infiltrated and was within the U.S as well. The cabal has always played both sides. But Ive seen enough evidence to know that what took place in those camps was not serving the purposes of humanity and anyone suggesting and brushing it off is a fool.
I see. The same old defeated de facto argument when someone doesn’t conform or beleive the bullshit. “You just have a closed mind”
very insightful response. thank you.
A Great Awakening is Coming!
https://archive.org/details/theultimateredpillbannedfromyoutube_201912
https://archive.org/details/scm-476088-hellstorm-therealgenocideofna
https://archive.org/details/europa_the_last_battle
https://www.bitchute.com/video/hOuqpeCVjRTM/ via bitslide
Was it any different to what the Americans did to Japanese in USA? What if USA had been invaded and supply lines to American POW camps housing Japanese had been cut off? They would have died from disease and starvation just as what happened in the German/Polish camps housing communists (mostly but not exclusively Jews). Imagine the guilt and the sympathy that could be extracted? Actually in the multi-billions of $ in the case of the Jews, still being paid to this day, to people who were never in the camps. I'm not a mathematician but if there were only 3 million Jews in German occupied territories, how did the Germans kill 6 million? Did they have Dominion voting machines counting the dead?
Because the world is under hypnosis. We've been lied to for years. The victor writes the history. Who benefited most from the 2nd world war?
So the thousands of first hand accounts of veterans is all bullshit is it. The discovery of the ovens, the guillotines and gas chambers along with thousands of pictures and video as documented evidence is bullshit is it? The mounds of clothing and shoes. The train cars loaded up like cattle was just a transportation of good honest workers going to a work camp? Dr. Mengele, the angel of death, with his human skin tattooed lamp shades was the good guy was he? and it was the bad allies who cut off their food and caused them to starve?
Most of it, yes. Not because "thousands of first hand accounts of veterans" actually exists, but because the idea that "thousands of first hand accounts of veterans" exists at all is not true.
There were no ovens, in the sense you are infering.
Not sure about many (or any) reports of guillotines. But there is a report that a German officer was executed for abusing prisoners. That was by hanging, though, not by guillotine. Strange story, huh? Somebody is lying.
There were no gas chambers, in the sense you are infering. There were de-lousing chambers to prevent the spread of Typhus, which was a killer in Europe at the time, and was spread by lice.
Their clothes and shoes were taken during the de-lousing period because they wanted to prevent the spread of Typhus via lice. They were issued new, clean clothes.
The train cars were real. The prison camps were real. The stories of why people were sent there, and what happened in those camps are mostly lies.
The Americans knew that the Japanese government had declared war on the US (that whole saga is another set of misinformation, at best, but that is another story).
Because the Americans did not know which side Japanese-Americans would be on, they were sent off to prison camps (called "internment camps" due to propaganda). Not saying this was justified, only that it is a fact of history.
At the same time, Jewish world leadership (their "government" you might say) declared war on Germany. They tried to destroy Germany's economy. The German government responded by sending Jewish-Germans to prison camps (called "concentration camps" due to propaganda), because they didn't know who's side the Jews were on.
Exact same reason, in both cases.
Hitler had a couple of Jews in his high-level military, according to some sources. If so, he trusted some Jews, but most Jews were suspect, due to what Jews had done to Germany in the past.
IOW: It was a REACTION, and not an ACTION.
That is a flat out lie, that has been known for decades. This statement was made up and later admitted that it never happened. Same as the story of using Jewish fat to make soap. Made up story that never happened.
Nobody who has looked into this denies that the allies cut off all supplies into Germany, including food. This was the final move that ended the war.
The German people and the camp prisoners, alike, had less food to eat.
The starvation figures could also have been people who suffered illness due to Typhus, which killed people. It is estimated that almost 300,000 people died in those prison camps, mostly from Typhus.
Regarding the 6,000,000 "Jews killed" narrative, do you even know how many Jews lived in Germany at that time?
About 500,000. That right there should be a clue.
You are, right now, where I was a few years ago. I believed the narrative because everyone else did (same as we are seeing today with Covid).
For YEARS, I skoffed at the idea that the Holocaust stories were in any way not true. BUT ... I never actually CHECKED IT OUT FOR MYSELF.
One day, I decided to look into why so many people were making these claims. Once I did, I realized it is mostly a LIE.
Do yourself a favor. Discover the TRUTH for yourself. Don't parrot what others say. RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF.
Or as Q would say ...
THINK FOR YOURSELF.
“Because the idea of first hand accounts exists”? Buddy your delusional. How do you go about understanding an event that took place in history? You go to the people who have first hand accounts and experience in the matter not some professor and knowledgeable tale teller like yourself. These veterans have told their stories and they are everywhere and there are thousands of veterans that collaborate the same story. Do yourself a favor and listen to them. It was a war, of course they cut off supplies you. Go and study war and quit trying to twist it and act like war doesn’t have collateral damage. Their tactic of cutting off supplies does not deny nor whitewash the evidence of what took place in those camps. Once again there are plenty of pictures and video evidence of gas chambers, knowledge of the use of zyklon b, of guillotines and ovens. Let alone mass graves with poor sap shot and thrown in a shallow grave. Your gaslighting the fact that there are an overwhelming majority of first hand accounts and it proves you haven’t looked too far or are merely a propagandist spinning a lie rather than listening to those first hand accounts.
You have a personal agenda to promote one opinion, and do not seem to want to investigate the truth of that opinion.
You said "veterans" which implies (to me) war veterans, meaning people in the military who came to the camps. There are not thousands of those.
Regarding the people who were imprisoned in the camps, there are many of those who later admitted they lied to promote the message they thought was important.
If someone survived to tell their story, then it means they were not killed. They might be ebellishing their story, or they might be telling the truth about what they experienced.
Clearly, they were not gassed to death or had their skin turned into a lampshade.
Those are lies, and have been shown through objective evidence to be lies.
You want to believe, and so you believe. But it is obvious you have no interest in looking at things objectively.
The totality of the evidence does not support your position, no matter how much you want it to be so.
There were 500,000 Jews living in Germany prior to the war. There were not 6,000,000 Jews living in all of the areas of Europe that Germany controlled. There were more Jews living in the world after WWII than before. Auschwitz itself had a plaque that claimed 4 million were killed there, but later changed to 1.5 million, with no explanation of why the numbers were magically changed.
The story does not hold up under scrutiny.
P.S. Talmud teaches these people to lie. It should not be surprising when they do.
Do you know about the temple of pergamon and the sacrifices that were done inside the golden bull out front? Do you know the significance of it being brought to Germany and Hitler using that replication for his speeches? Are you Stating through your presentation that the nazis were the good guys?
Don't try to change the subject. My OP presents the subject.
Stay on track. Only shills and dishonest people try to subvert the conversation.
I don’t care about the statistics. Liars use statistics. I am talking about the few Holocaust survivors and their first hand accounts, yes. And no, their stories weren’t proven to be a lie , they were actually verified through evidence and other accounts that corroborate their stories. I am talking about the veterans who went into those camps and have given their testimonies and accounts. I am referring to the photos and videos taken of those camps. I am talking about the mass graves that were uncovered and documented all over Europe. All you have is the reply that it’s a lie. That’s not a very intelligent response. I am taking all of my hours upon hours upon hours of studying ww11 into account. And all you have to say is “it’s a lie and none of it is real.” Who’s the one with an agenda hombre? My life is dedicated to searching things out and discerning who is a liar and who is sincere. Who are you to come at me with no evidence other than “it’s a lie” You have the same tactic and wit as all the other educated fools trying to convince people that they are witty and intelligent and to just believe me because I say.
Yes, I know. And that's one of the problems. If only 500,000 jews lived in Germany, and 6,000,000 were not even under German control, then there is a 0% probability that 6,000,000 died of whatever cause(s). That you don't care about these statistics is irrelevant. They are facts, whether you like them or not.
I posted a video in my OP from one of the people who survived the camps. Even she is questioning some things. And she was there, apparently.
You are not speaking about ALL the accounts, because there were some who admitted they lied in order to promote the "greater good," just as the Talmud teaches.
You mean like the one that I posted about, where the video was NOT taken at Auschwitz, but somebody LIED and claimed it was?
Some of those stories have proven to be lies. I do not know about all of them. I do know that Goebbels wrote about Churchill's lies about one of those supposed mass graves (it was the Polish jews who committed the atrocities, but Churchill blamed it on the Germans). In his article "Churchill's Lie Factory," Goebbels wrote about how the English were known to tell the "Big Lie" to the point that it would become ridiculous.
I have presented more evidence in this thread (the eye witness survivor's statement in my OP) than you have (none).
I am doing the same. And I have actually presented more in this thread than you have (which is none).
Wrong. I presented an eye witness' statement that the video footage put out by the Soviet government was a lie.
You are, amigo.
Again, I have provided more evidence in this thread than you have, which is none.
Were you looking into a mirror when you wrote that? Mr. Tea Kettle, meet Mr. Black.
I get the impression that you didn't even watch the video, but just responded in a knee-jerk reaction because of the subject matter.
If so, you should watch it.
What is your impression of this prison camp survivor? Is she lying about the snow? Lying about what the Russians told her? If she is lying, then how do you explain that the videos ACTUALLY do not show any snow at all -- in January 1945, in Poland?
This is the best critical analysis I've seen on GAW. Well done fren.
I do not see a video? Or a link
I am not selling something, you are. Convince me.
My point of the statistics is that just as in your case they are used to manipulate a narrative. That does not discredit the testimonies of soldiers who had first hand accounts they retold and the mass killing that took place regardless of the total tally. Does that one video of aushwitz discredit what took place there or even at deschau? Or any of the other camps? or does it just discredit the individual and her statements? And of course you would point out and quote goebbels that makes sense now. Not that Churchill was a saint. No, you still have not disproven all the firsthand accounts that contradict the few that you’ve brought forward.
I don’t see the links you are referring too. I’d be Glad to look at them, I enjoy being presented with alternative views.
Do you believe that the ss and higher ranking officers studied and were deeply involved in occult practices?
Yes, that's right. Time to face the truth.
Face the truth that some retard on the internet knows more than someone I’ve personally talked to who was there and experienced it? You should go outside more and talk to people in the real world outside of the internet and it’s delusions.
There were massive financial incentives given to continue the lie. I don't assume to know you, but if you could lie and be given enough money to never have to work again, would you take the money?
No. I found that personal integrity is much more rewarding in life.
Edit- that’s just me. The world is full of greed. I’ve seen enough connections within the occult and personal beliefs within the nazi party to know they weren’t on the right side of Truth, nor did they have humanitarian purposes that weren’t self serving. I also know the eugenics and Lucifarian philosophy and ties to the Nazis that infiltrated and was within the U.S as well. The cabal has always played both sides. But Ive seen enough evidence to know that what took place in those camps was not serving the purposes of humanity and anyone suggesting and brushing it off is a fool.
"There is no more impregnable fortress on the planet than a closed mind" - Peter Hitchens.
I see. The same old defeated de facto argument when someone doesn’t conform or beleive the bullshit. “You just have a closed mind” very insightful response. thank you.