I’m sure this has been discussed already, but it’s important to remember and stay focus on facts.
“Knowingly filing a false VAERS report is a violation of Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1001) punishable by fine and imprisonment.”
If you have conversations with your employer, co worker, church, school, friends etc remind them of this.
If they want to discredit VAERS reporting, then ask them why aren’t charges being brought to thousands of people. Why would thousands of people risk going to prison? There’s no logical reason to lie about this. The normies won’t have an answer.
The data to prove you’re point is often not hidden or found on websites the mainstream folks have never heard of. Show them facts. Show them evidence. Ask them questions.
Don’t comply with these ridiculous vaccine passports and requirements at work. I will likely be fired in the next two months or be forced to find a new job, but I’m not going down without defending my rights. The next shitty job will likely try the same exact shit.
We’re at a critical point in human rights history. Fight back with facts.
I agree.
But I think the point I am making is being missed. There are thousands of claims being made through VAERS. Assuming these are legit concerns, and people aren’t breaking the law, wouldn’t it make sense for the government and employers to pause the massive push and bullying of the vaccines and allow some time to investigate these claims? Even given your scenarios above (98 year olds, smokers, etc) I find it irresponsible to continue pushing these vaccines on the public without knowing a lot about them.
The CEO of my company proclaimed these vaccines to be the “safest vaccines every invented”. We are a fortune 25 healthcare company with very close connections to the government via Medicaid, Medicare, truncate etc.
This is happening everywhere and concerns of the vaccine are being ignored.I’m not arguing that VAERS should be the proof that there is something wrong, rather that there is enough reports coming through that I think the pressure to get the vaccine is unethical.
It wouldn’t make sense to pause based on that, and I’ll tell you why.
Let’s say I injected a 100% safe placebo into tens of millions of people, and then set up a system with the same situation as VAERS:
Then you know what would happen? There would be thousands of reports. Even if people KNEW they were given a safe placebo, there would still be thousands of reports in the system. Lots of illness. Lots of death.
Why?
Because I gave my placebo to tens of millions of people. Some people died randomly. Some people got sick randomly. Because out of tens of millions of people, some people will be sick and dead every single day.
All of them could end up in my VAERS, and by the rules of my system, SHOULD be in my report.
Even though we know for a fact that the placebo I gave them was 100% safe. Even though I know not a single report has anything to do with my placebo.
If there WEREN’T thousands of reports of my perfectly safe placebo possibly causing side effects, it means my system is broken, because people are supposed to be reporting EVERYTHING that happens after the placebo.
Is this making sense?
Literally every single report in the real VAERS system could have absolutely nothing, and I mean NOTHING, to do with the vaccine. Every vaccine out there could be 100% safe.
And VAERS would still be showing thousands and thousands of reports. Because of the three items I listed above.
There will never, ever be anywhere close to zero reports in a system like that. Because it isn’t taking verified data. It’s collecting data TO BE VERIFIED.
Your argument is akin to demanding that AR-15’s be immediately banned because a survey we took showed that some people think they’re scary and kill millions of people every year. The fact there is a report that people are claiming this doesn’t mean that it’s verified.
Unfortunately, the stuff that HAS been verified is the stuff you guys think is disinformation. The stuff released by the CDC is the result of people processing data from VAERS and other sources and determining that the vaccines appear to be dangerous only to a vanishingly small part of the population.
I get that people around here distrust that, and that’s your right. But if you’re distrusting it based on VAERS numbers, then you’re basing it on a misunderstanding of what VAERS actually is and how that data is used.
Your company, and most others, are going off the data that has been processed by people who know how to do so. You can argue that everyone should interpret the raw data and decide for themselves, but the VAERS data is not the raw data that is going to help you do that.
Yes, Everything you are saying makes sense.
But my employer isn’t making me purchase the scary AR15. My elected leaders aren’t pressuring everyone to buy and use one. I’m allowed to make that decision. That’s the difference to me.
That logic makes perfect sense as long as you don’t take the threat of COVID seriously.
But if you do, then an unvaccinated individual poses a risk even to the vaccinated, since no vaccine is 100% effective.
If you take the virus seriously, then someone claiming a right to be unvaccinated in your workplace is like someone claiming the right to have a religious bonfire in their cubicle. Perhaps that right does exist in some sense, but when other people are put at risk by your decision, the calculus changes.
I know people here have their own opinion on the dangers of COVID, but your employers have the right to decide to listen to the people who are credentialed on these matters rather than, say, VAERS data interpreted by you.
And if they decide you aren’t worth the risk the scientists and researchers claim you to be due to your decisions, then how is that not their right to decide that?
You are welcome to take any risk you want, but nobody is obligated to let you take that risk on their property and around their people.
As far as the employer - Having the right to do it doesn’t make it right. Ethically I don’t believe an employer should get involved in their employees personal lives, specifically health. Legally sure, they can. But one thing to consider is how massive big corporations are, how connected they are with the government, and how small businesses are dwindling away. So perhaps we need some changes on what major corporations can require of their employees considering a lot of people rely on major corporations for employment.
In regards to Covid. I believe it is an illness, and I believe people have died from it. But unfortunately that is part of life.. you get sick, and you die. Covid is not life threatening to the vast majority of the population. The flu killed 400 children in the 2018-2019 flu season. We weren’t running around enforcing masks, shutting down our economy and mandating you receive a vaccine in order.
If people are waiting for there to be zero Covid deaths, that day will never come. So it is up to people to decide where their line in the sand is.
I’ve discussed the vaccine with my S.O. Daughter, parents and other close family members and made my decision. For my employer to tell me what to do with a new vaccine that has not had years of exports use to show proof of its safety is unethical.
Also, If you are vaccinated you should not be worried about dying from Covid at all according to the experts you rely on.