The conclusion is questionable because you cannot depend on the 'number of cases' as a meaningful number. The people that get tested is not a random sample of the population. You cannot depend on this number because you don't know who is getting tested and the circumstances.
Instead, we need to compare the number of deaths to the number of vaccinated people vs. the number of unvaccinated.
England
70.9% of population fully or partially vaccinated
39,709,325
If 39,709,325 represents 70.9% of the population, then let's calculate the total population as considered in this statistic.
That means 39,709,325 / 0.709 = 56,007,510 people in England
So if 39,705,325 people are partially or fully vaccinated, how many people are unvaccinated?
Population - #fullOrPartiallyVaxxed = 56,007,510 - 39,709,325 = 16,298,185 unvaccinated
Percentage dead from Covid - 19 of the England's vaccinated people?
(90 + 679)/39,709,325 = 0.00001936572 = 0.0019% or 1 in 51,637 odds
Percentage dead from Covid-19 of England's unvaccinated people?
390 / 16,293,185 = 0.00002393638 = 0.0024% or 1 in 41,777 odds
So the vaccinated are only slightly better off, based on number of deaths only.
Kids have a 1/2,500,000 chance of dying if they catch covid-19
From the table below, a 15 year old male in a High Income Country (HIC) without co-morbitities has a 0.00004% chance of dying if they catch the Wuhan virus.
0.00004% means a 1 in 2,500,000 chance.
The values in the table are in percent, as evidenced by the fact that if you are 80+ years and old and unhealthy, the number is 20.08
Thanks for the calculations. The question I have is -- How many more are there not being reported? This is the UK and historically their government agencies 'LIE a lot' and consistently 'LIE a lot'. If these UK 'reported' numbers are anything like the CDC's VAER reporting system, in normal times there is estimated a 1 to 10 percent reporting of all the adverse effects. However, we are not living in normal times, so we can deduce the 1 to 10 percent reporting is far worse than this.
If we assume the UK reporting numbers are similar to VAERS, and this is the best we have for correcting the record, what does it do to your numbers then? Mind you, we can also assume the UK is not living in normal times either. It may be far worse than here in the United States.
Is your percentage dead of vaccinated not the 90 +679, but rather (9000 + 67900)/39,709,325 = 0.001936572 = 0.19% or 1 in 516.37 odds?
"So the vaccinated are only slightly better off, based on number of deaths only."
Is your Percentage dead from Covid-19 of England's unvaccinated a bloated number mired with massive false reporting? Is this 390 number really a hundred times smaller due to cases of pneumonia and influenza along with other health conditions and comorbidities being counted as COVID-19 thus conflating the COVID death numbers? What happened to all the influenza deaths in 2020? They disappeared! First time this ever happened? Now the WHO and CDC admit their COVID testing cannot distinguish between COVID and influenza. The fraud is far worse than this too.
Is your Risk of a bad reaction from the vaccine, not 0.2%, but rather 20% and not 1 in 500, but instead 1 in 5? Is the Risk of death from the vaccine 2.64% of the bad reactions or 1 in 19,000 or is it far worse?
I believe the 100X number is more realistic. My wife had 2 friends die as a result. There seems to be far more people dying than is reported. Is anyone watching the obituaries?
This is a great point. I too believe that deaths and bad reactions are vastly under-reported.
But that speculation doesn't help us in this information war against the criminally corrupt media and the deep state. Our best shot at convincing people is to use the official data, and even that data shows that the vaccine is a bad deal and does a hell of a lot more harm than good.
"Our best shot at convincing people is to use the official data, ....."
I agree with what you are saying, but these are cunning snakes and even with this we are being steered in a different direction. I don't have a solution to it other than hoping for whistle-blowers providing truer numbers and data. That idea is in the 'wishful thing' column however. My wife mentioned one of her friends was looking at the newspaper's obituaries and seeing higher numbers of young people dying. I wonder if a collective of funeral homes could be a good source.
As I said, I understand the dilemma for the lack of 'good' information and data. Accordingly, since there is a lack of 'good' information, maybe "we are the news" in this regard by pulling information from funeral homes and other places and so forth.
I wish we could get at some data on up-to-date numbers for deaths due to blood clots, heart damage, nerve damage in the young. Because I think it is skyrocketing.
There is so much fuckery done with the data that its pretty much impossible to draw any conclusions from them. Different PCR ct counts for unvaxed and vaxed, different criteria for registration of a case as covid or not based on vax status. Are they as "liberal" with marking a dead vaxed person as dead from covid as an unvaxxed person? These people have done nothing but lie and spread fear about this madness for 1.5 years, i have no reason to believe any of the numbers they spew out. The fact that even the numbers they DO publish look bad for the vaxed crowd says more than a thousand military ballots all voting 100% for Biden
It's one big circle jerk. PCR tests are now admitted by both the WHO and CDC as not being able to distinguish between COVID-19 and the Flu. This is why flu deaths went to zero in 2020. But, even the CDC and WHO's statement is expectantly not even close to the entire truth, because the PCR Test cannot diagnose any infection, period. This is the inventor's statement, Kary Mullis, not mine.
The deceit and fraud is even worse if you can recognize we are playing 'whac-a-mole' in their Germ Theory matrix. Most all allopathic medicine is fraud. No cures are allowed, but treating the symptoms is where the money is at. If one knew that it was William Rockefeller, the father of JD Rockefeller, made a living in defrauding cancer victims with snake-oil. That's right, he was a snake-oil salesman, who used the fake name of Dr. "Bill" Livingston.
Imagine a heartless huckster preying upon the trust of the general public to swindle them out of their hard-earned savings. With a bottle of useless tonic and the help of a planted actor in the audience, the snake oil salesman made a living out of lies and deceit. He used a made-up title, billing himself as-- “Dr. Bill Levingston, Celebrated Cancer Specialist” despite being neither a doctor nor celebrated nor a cancer specialist.
He was an inveterate cheat and liar, having abandoned his first wife and their six children to start a bigamous marriage in Canada at the same time as he fathered two more children by a third woman.
And like every snake oil salesman, he had a cure-all tonic to hock. He called it "Rock Oil" and charged $25 a bottle for it, equivalent at the time to two months’ salary for the average American worker. Claiming it could cure all but the most terminal cancers, there were always desperate souls in every town who could be duped into buying a bottle.
As near as anyone can tell, “Rock Oil” was in fact just a mixture of laxative and petroleum and had no effect whatsoever on the cancer of the poor townsfolk he conned into buying it.
Tell me how it is any different today? The snake-oil salesman has moved on to being bigger and more powerful than ever before. Instead of the snake-oil sales man being charged, convicted, and hanged, we have given him 'immunity' from harming all that have been swindled of life and limb.
I see all these statistics and the discussions on this board about how bad the vaccines are plus my own common sense of “government pushing this, something’s definitely up” and I’d just been told by my brother yesterday that if he and his wife have kids they will not allow unvaccinated people near them. 🙄
I wish them luck affording that lol. And yeah you nailed it: they don’t have kids yet but wanted to make a point to us that we aren’t welcome around them when they have some (or if, in my opinion) because we’re somehow killing people despite never being ill.
Good analysis, but there are other factors being overlooked.
Of course. And the bad reactions are no doubt under-reported. Deaths don't make it in because the doctor isn't convinced it is related etc.
The more you delve into the details the less likely you will be able to convince any normies.
But even using the numbers we can point to from the enemy's mouth, the vaccine is a bad deal. It is most likely a worse deal, but we don't need to complicate the conclusion with speculation.
The conclusion is questionable because you cannot depend on the 'number of cases' as a meaningful number. The people that get tested is not a random sample of the population. You cannot depend on this number because you don't know who is getting tested and the circumstances.
Instead, we need to compare the number of deaths to the number of vaccinated people vs. the number of unvaccinated.
England
70.9% of population fully or partially vaccinated 39,709,325
If 39,709,325 represents 70.9% of the population, then let's calculate the total population as considered in this statistic.
That means 39,709,325 / 0.709 = 56,007,510 people in England
So if 39,705,325 people are partially or fully vaccinated, how many people are unvaccinated?
Population - #fullOrPartiallyVaxxed = 56,007,510 - 39,709,325 = 16,298,185 unvaccinated
Percentage dead from Covid - 19 of the England's vaccinated people?
(90 + 679)/39,709,325 = 0.00001936572 = 0.0019% or 1 in 51,637 odds
Percentage dead from Covid-19 of England's unvaccinated people?
390 / 16,293,185 = 0.00002393638 = 0.0024% or 1 in 41,777 odds
So the vaccinated are only slightly better off, based on number of deaths only.
But what is the risk of taking the jab?
https://files.catbox.moe/52jou2.png
Risk of a bad reaction from the vaccine? 0.2% or 1 in 500 Risk of death from the vaccine? 2.64% of the bad reactions or 1 in 19,000
So the risk is much higher from the vaccine than the virus. It is not worth it.
Do not get your kids vaccinated. You are multiplying your child's risk of death by 45x to 132x depending on which data you look at.
Anyway you look at it, the vaccine is a terrible deal for your kids. Don't do it.
Sources:
Deaths from Delta Variant:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1012644/Technical_Briefing_21.pdf
Kids have a 1/2,500,000 chance of dying if they catch covid-19
From the table below, a 15 year old male in a High Income Country (HIC) without co-morbitities has a 0.00004% chance of dying if they catch the Wuhan virus.
0.00004% means a 1 in 2,500,000 chance.
The values in the table are in percent, as evidenced by the fact that if you are 80+ years and old and unhealthy, the number is 20.08
https://files.catbox.moe/o5wl1i.png
Source:
https://www.cgdev.org/sites/default/files/predicted-covid-19-fatality-rates-based-age-sex-comorbidities-and-health-system-capacity.pdf
Thanks for the calculations. The question I have is -- How many more are there not being reported? This is the UK and historically their government agencies 'LIE a lot' and consistently 'LIE a lot'. If these UK 'reported' numbers are anything like the CDC's VAER reporting system, in normal times there is estimated a 1 to 10 percent reporting of all the adverse effects. However, we are not living in normal times, so we can deduce the 1 to 10 percent reporting is far worse than this.
If we assume the UK reporting numbers are similar to VAERS, and this is the best we have for correcting the record, what does it do to your numbers then? Mind you, we can also assume the UK is not living in normal times either. It may be far worse than here in the United States.
Is your percentage dead of vaccinated not the 90 +679, but rather (9000 + 67900)/39,709,325 = 0.001936572 = 0.19% or 1 in 516.37 odds?
Is your Percentage dead from Covid-19 of England's unvaccinated a bloated number mired with massive false reporting? Is this 390 number really a hundred times smaller due to cases of pneumonia and influenza along with other health conditions and comorbidities being counted as COVID-19 thus conflating the COVID death numbers? What happened to all the influenza deaths in 2020? They disappeared! First time this ever happened? Now the WHO and CDC admit their COVID testing cannot distinguish between COVID and influenza. The fraud is far worse than this too.
Is your Risk of a bad reaction from the vaccine, not 0.2%, but rather 20% and not 1 in 500, but instead 1 in 5? Is the Risk of death from the vaccine 2.64% of the bad reactions or 1 in 19,000 or is it far worse?
I believe the 100X number is more realistic. My wife had 2 friends die as a result. There seems to be far more people dying than is reported. Is anyone watching the obituaries?
This is a great point. I too believe that deaths and bad reactions are vastly under-reported.
But that speculation doesn't help us in this information war against the criminally corrupt media and the deep state. Our best shot at convincing people is to use the official data, and even that data shows that the vaccine is a bad deal and does a hell of a lot more harm than good.
I agree with what you are saying, but these are cunning snakes and even with this we are being steered in a different direction. I don't have a solution to it other than hoping for whistle-blowers providing truer numbers and data. That idea is in the 'wishful thing' column however. My wife mentioned one of her friends was looking at the newspaper's obituaries and seeing higher numbers of young people dying. I wonder if a collective of funeral homes could be a good source.
As I said, I understand the dilemma for the lack of 'good' information and data. Accordingly, since there is a lack of 'good' information, maybe "we are the news" in this regard by pulling information from funeral homes and other places and so forth.
This is a good idea.
I wish we could get at some data on up-to-date numbers for deaths due to blood clots, heart damage, nerve damage in the young. Because I think it is skyrocketing.
There is so much fuckery done with the data that its pretty much impossible to draw any conclusions from them. Different PCR ct counts for unvaxed and vaxed, different criteria for registration of a case as covid or not based on vax status. Are they as "liberal" with marking a dead vaxed person as dead from covid as an unvaxxed person? These people have done nothing but lie and spread fear about this madness for 1.5 years, i have no reason to believe any of the numbers they spew out. The fact that even the numbers they DO publish look bad for the vaxed crowd says more than a thousand military ballots all voting 100% for Biden
It's one big circle jerk. PCR tests are now admitted by both the WHO and CDC as not being able to distinguish between COVID-19 and the Flu. This is why flu deaths went to zero in 2020. But, even the CDC and WHO's statement is expectantly not even close to the entire truth, because the PCR Test cannot diagnose any infection, period. This is the inventor's statement, Kary Mullis, not mine.
The deceit and fraud is even worse if you can recognize we are playing 'whac-a-mole' in their Germ Theory matrix. Most all allopathic medicine is fraud. No cures are allowed, but treating the symptoms is where the money is at. If one knew that it was William Rockefeller, the father of JD Rockefeller, made a living in defrauding cancer victims with snake-oil. That's right, he was a snake-oil salesman, who used the fake name of Dr. "Bill" Livingston.
Imagine a heartless huckster preying upon the trust of the general public to swindle them out of their hard-earned savings. With a bottle of useless tonic and the help of a planted actor in the audience, the snake oil salesman made a living out of lies and deceit. He used a made-up title, billing himself as-- “Dr. Bill Levingston, Celebrated Cancer Specialist” despite being neither a doctor nor celebrated nor a cancer specialist.
He was an inveterate cheat and liar, having abandoned his first wife and their six children to start a bigamous marriage in Canada at the same time as he fathered two more children by a third woman.
And like every snake oil salesman, he had a cure-all tonic to hock. He called it "Rock Oil" and charged $25 a bottle for it, equivalent at the time to two months’ salary for the average American worker. Claiming it could cure all but the most terminal cancers, there were always desperate souls in every town who could be duped into buying a bottle.
As near as anyone can tell, “Rock Oil” was in fact just a mixture of laxative and petroleum and had no effect whatsoever on the cancer of the poor townsfolk he conned into buying it.
Tell me how it is any different today? The snake-oil salesman has moved on to being bigger and more powerful than ever before. Instead of the snake-oil sales man being charged, convicted, and hanged, we have given him 'immunity' from harming all that have been swindled of life and limb.
I see all these statistics and the discussions on this board about how bad the vaccines are plus my own common sense of “government pushing this, something’s definitely up” and I’d just been told by my brother yesterday that if he and his wife have kids they will not allow unvaccinated people near them. 🙄
If they don't have them yet and are fully vaccinated, they may be spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on infertility treatments to no avail.
I wish them luck affording that lol. And yeah you nailed it: they don’t have kids yet but wanted to make a point to us that we aren’t welcome around them when they have some (or if, in my opinion) because we’re somehow killing people despite never being ill.
Do you have this data for the US??
Of course. And the bad reactions are no doubt under-reported. Deaths don't make it in because the doctor isn't convinced it is related etc.
The more you delve into the details the less likely you will be able to convince any normies.
But even using the numbers we can point to from the enemy's mouth, the vaccine is a bad deal. It is most likely a worse deal, but we don't need to complicate the conclusion with speculation.