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posted 4 years ago by Quelle 4 years ago by Quelle +33 / -0
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– ARandomOgre 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

I don't know how many times that I insist to you that the television has nothing to do with my opinions. I don't even have cable. And nothing I read I do so unquestioningly.

Google believes the sky is blue and the Earth is round. Are you now obligated to take the opposite position because a search engine brings up results on this?

Have you considered that perhaps I'm not typing, "counter argument to quelle" into Google to get my sources?

Again, I know it is extremely threatening to the concept of a Great Awakening if someone can be a critical thinker and be capable of pulling legitimate arguments from the "evil media", but that's what critical thinkers do.

We assume NO resource is completely, 100% unbiased. Not one.

But critical thinkers don't toss out the baby with the bathwater. Critical thinking is knowing how to analyze sources to identify falsifiable information, and then how to independently verify those particular claims. Regardless of where they came from.

As I did with Ms. Kelly here.

There is no situation in which accusing someone of being brainwashed is a valid and productive means of having a conversation. Which is why I have literally never accused you of being brainwashed, even though I would say that cherry-picking your sources and assuming anything that disagrees with you is the nefarious work of the Cabal is FAR more shallow in research effort than anything I've ever offered here.

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– ARandomOgre 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

There is some evidence that N95 masks, if fit tightly and used over a prolonged period by a person (around eight hours non-stop) with existing pulmonary problems, can lead to an increase in CO2 if they don't stop every now and then to take a breather.

We've probably both read those papers. And even that evidence is considered somewhat controversial, as there are other studies (one of which I linked below) that did not find this to be true. Of the studies that DID find such an association, others have commented that the change blood levels are so small that it's unlikely a person would even be able to perceive it (see the fourth NCBI article I link below).

Regular cloth masks absolutely do stop water droplets, which is what we're really concerned about, since water droplets from your breath is how COVID is typically transferred from an infected person. These are not shown to affect your O2 or CO2 levels.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33651109/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7600049/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33153145/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7558090/

Do you need a paper that states that a simple surgical mask will stop droplets from leaving your lungs, or can you trust that surgeons wear these masks for reasons other than looking cool?

However, it's not a 100% solution on its own, and that appears to be where you're hung up.

Security is about layers. No, the masks will not protect you on their own. Social distancing is part of it. Handwashing is part of it. Disinfecting the things you touch is part of it.

The fact that a mask doesn't 100% stop a virus doesn't mean it "doesn't work". It means that it's just part of the strategy that's being employed to fight the virus, and it's a really, REALLY easy one to implement.

Do not fall victim to the Nirvana fallacy, that anything less than a straw-manned perfect solution is nonviable as an actual, practical, but imperfect solution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

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– ARandomOgre 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

I’ve worked in schools. This does not happen. They can take it off for lunch. They can take a breather in the bathroom. It takes only a few breaths to remove excess CO2.

Which is why you don’t die immediately when CO2 builds up in your system when you hold your breath while swimming and you immediately feel better when you come up for air.

I also have not known any school to force an N95 over some other mask.

You’re attempting to create a situation which doesn’t happen and claim that’s why we should be avoiding all masks. Anyone who is using that specific mask for that long without taking a five minute break every now and again has far bigger problems than a mask.

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