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Now you are just willfully ignoring the things I said while also offering your personal interpretation of scripture (incorrect interpretation I might add).
"There is no prayer or spiritual experience outside of Him."
Loads of prayers are made to Mary and hundreds of saints. That doesn't mean they are put on higher pedestal than Jesus.
And to say there is no such things as spiritual experience (experience of spirits and spiritual nature) that doesn't include Jesus is just so patently absurd and incorrect and only shows you've probably never had a spiritual experience or connected to spiritual nature.
"The Bible gives us everything that we need for faith and godliness."
That's sad if you are limited to only the book and not the universe of spiritual understanding and knowledge that lies within and without that Jesus refers to. There was no book for the first few centuries and no single agreed upon text for the next thousand years. Are you saying every Christian for the first few centuries had no access to "faith and godliness" and truth?
Honestly your worldview sounds pretty shallow and close-minded and judgmental. Not very Godly.
Angels (the name means "messengers") can speak to us and we can speak to angels and learn from them. There's nothing wrong with that in and of itself. It doesn't remove Jesus from the throne or contradict any of the teachings.
As long as we are shrewd about which spirits, angels, and aspects of nature are benevolent, deceitful, or merely neutral, there's nothing wrong with interacting them, should the opportunity arise.
1 Timothy 2:5 - There is one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity—the man Christ Jesus.
Luke 4:8 - “The Scriptures say, ‘You must worship the Lord your God and serve only him.’”
Hebrews 4:16 Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
There is absolutely no scriptural basis to pray to anyone other than God alone. There is no need to, either. Jesus, our Intercessor, has it covered. No one in heaven can mediate on our behalf except for Jesus Christ. Only God can hear and answer our prayers.
I have this conversation with catholics, somewhat regularly. You are spot on, 100%. They can’t explain those points out of a wet paper bag! It’s so simple to understand, yet the years of brow beating the catholic principles into them has literally brainwashed them. Much like liberalism…
It is liberalusm.
Romans 2:12-16
12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
It isn't sad. It is the reality of Biblical Christianity. It is narrow and defined by God's Word.
Like the Constitution defines our government (much to liberal's chagrin), the Bible defines faith, godliness, worship and spirituality (much to liberal's chagrin).