Understood, but to look for real, meaningful numbers on deaths and injuries, the more meaningful data are not outliers like body builders or cancer patients on chemo, or any other group that is already taking other drugs. A more meaningful data set would be just those average people who don't have other drugs going on that would muddy the data analysis. A good study would set the parameters for inclusion or exclusion in the study, but outliers at both ends (body builders and chemo patients) would probably be excluded from such a study.
I agree partially. But alot of the Body builder issues you will find coincide directly with those of morbid obese people. Breathing issues caused by mass on lungs, and blood restriction issues due to mass. Drugs aside. Obese are also on a myriad of drugs too some of which cause heart issues. Because the PEDS most guys are using will be Test base, or Deca base....and either Trenbolone, and some orals. These can indeed hurt liver and raise BP....But so doesnt Metformin. And to be honest, alot of these guys who have recently died arent even in the big lifestyle much.....they arent blasting massive amounts of gear, and are ;likely on TRT doseages of test enanthate. I just am of the opinion all data should be kept and looked at. No matter of recreational drug useages or not. How are we ever going to learn whats been done, if we dont try and understand everything being done to everyone? Get what I mean?
Well, a study COULD be designed where people are identified not only by age baseline and physical conditions, extra dimensions could be created for obesity, performance enhancing drugs, etc. Typically, medical research studies strictly select subjects based on strict criteria, but as long as such "outliers" can be controlled for, they could indeed be included in such studies.
Understood, but to look for real, meaningful numbers on deaths and injuries, the more meaningful data are not outliers like body builders or cancer patients on chemo, or any other group that is already taking other drugs. A more meaningful data set would be just those average people who don't have other drugs going on that would muddy the data analysis. A good study would set the parameters for inclusion or exclusion in the study, but outliers at both ends (body builders and chemo patients) would probably be excluded from such a study.
I agree partially. But alot of the Body builder issues you will find coincide directly with those of morbid obese people. Breathing issues caused by mass on lungs, and blood restriction issues due to mass. Drugs aside. Obese are also on a myriad of drugs too some of which cause heart issues. Because the PEDS most guys are using will be Test base, or Deca base....and either Trenbolone, and some orals. These can indeed hurt liver and raise BP....But so doesnt Metformin. And to be honest, alot of these guys who have recently died arent even in the big lifestyle much.....they arent blasting massive amounts of gear, and are ;likely on TRT doseages of test enanthate. I just am of the opinion all data should be kept and looked at. No matter of recreational drug useages or not. How are we ever going to learn whats been done, if we dont try and understand everything being done to everyone? Get what I mean?
Well, a study COULD be designed where people are identified not only by age baseline and physical conditions, extra dimensions could be created for obesity, performance enhancing drugs, etc. Typically, medical research studies strictly select subjects based on strict criteria, but as long as such "outliers" can be controlled for, they could indeed be included in such studies.