Great Awakening is open-minded? I hope so because there is a lie so big, so widely propagated by media and schools, so widely believed that it is somewhat hard for many to consider that it could be false.
The Holocaust™ (marketed with as the one and only with a capital H since about 1970) is a work of fiction in which the nation of Germany under governance of the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany (NationalSozialistische Deutsche ArbeiterPartei / NSDAP) max-exterminated Jews in Germany in industrial fashion in "death camps". The largest concentration camp was at Ausschwitz and, according to the myth, the main method of execution there was by subjecting them to poisonous gas. It is also known in Hebrew as a Shoah. Etymology.
If you are not sure whether you wish to take time to hear or read evidence at length, then I suggest listening to a short excerpt of some highlights first.
The Holocaust Lie in 10 Minutes (from a recording I find as "The Holocaust Lie - Historical Fact versus Fiction")
BitTorrent magnet link (for download or sharing):
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:c2197c8037576cbfe121823b7cab9d3bee2bdc87&dn=The Holocaust Lie in 10 Minutes - David Irving.mp4&tr=udp://tracker.coppersurfer.tk:6969/announce&tr=udp://tracker.open-internet.nl:6969/announce&tr=udp://tracker.leechers-paradise.org:6969/announce&tr=udp://tracker.internetwarriors.net:1337/announce&tr=udp://tracker.opentrackr.org:1337/announce&tr=udp://9.rarbg.to:2710/announce&tr=udp://9.rarbg.me:2710/announce&tr=http://tracker3.itzmx.com:6961/announce&tr=http://tracker1.itzmx.com:8080/announce&tr=udp://exodus.desync.com:6969/announce&tr=udp://explodie.org:6969/announce&tr=udp://ipv4.tracker.harry.lu:80/announce&tr=udp://denis.stalker.upeer.me:6969/announce&tr=udp://tracker.torrent.eu.org:451/announce&tr=udp://tracker.tiny-vps.com:6969/announce&tr=udp://thetracker.org:80/announce&tr=udp://open.demonii.si:1337/announce&tr=udp://tracker4.itzmx.com:2710/announce&tr=udp://tracker.cyberia.is:6969/announce&tr=udp://retracker.netbynet.ru:2710/announce)
There has been much hard and soft censorship to enforce suppress exposing this myth and enforce belief. In some countries it is enforced directly by law, in others such as America by the courts, violence (there is also 1 murder which I think is due to it), heckling, and deplatforming.
Sites with information
- Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust
- Holocaust Handbooks (has gratis introductory videos and texts)
- VHO (formerly site of Stiftung Vrij Historisch Onderzoek)
- Holocaust 101
- Occidental Observer
- National Vanguard. Has news.
- Ron Unz's site search. Has many authors. News. Ron is Jewish.
- WW2 Truth links to other sites
- Institute for Historical Review
Lbry
To view lbry
URLs, you need the Lbry application or can use the Odysee WWW site.
To load a lbry
URL in the Lbry application, put it in the search bar and select "View All Results" from the drop down list.
lbry://@Holocaust:b
Bitchute
BitChute is based in the UK. If we take their censorship to be indicative of how UK law is practiced, then exposing the lie of The Holocaust™ narrative is illegal.
- Search for "Contains Holocaust Denial" at BitChute by DDG to find censored videos
- Tag Holocaust
- Tag HolocaustDenial
- Holocaust Lies Exposed (Censored in EU)
- David Irving on The Holocaust. Full video at BitChute
People
Historian David Irving
David Irving proved that recently published alleged Hitler's diaries were fake. Story at Telegraph UK , Independent
David got wonderful reviews and press coverage on his work until he published "Hitler's War", then suddenly everything turned sour. A book seller who was preparing to distribute and sell his books was murdered shortly before he was ready to begin distribution.
- Focal Point Publications (David Irving's Website) "Focal Point offers free downloads of Mr Irving's main books. Browse, and then buy!"
- Irving Books (shop)
I strongly recommend listening to an interview, which I find titled as "The Holocaust Lie - Historical Fact versus Fiction", much of it addresses censorship. Censorship included government lawful (but unethical) and unlawful actions, vandalism, and probably assassination. Historian David Irving told of his experiences, how publishers and editors warned him he would have trouble.
Ohio, Cincinnati ; 1995 Summer
- 38:00 "you're going to lose any chance of doing a paperback or softback publication in the United States 'cause all the 7 biggest publishing houses -- paperback publishing houses in the United States who publish paperbacks -- the 7 biggest are all Jewish."
- 39:16 "but this problem will be solved instantly if you can give me the right answer to the following question: are you Jewish?" ... "His face fell. He knew that he had a problem."
Ernst Zuendel
USA deported Ernst to Canada. There, Ernst tortured with solitary confinement for two years for disputing the narrative on The Holocaust. Looking into the Holocaust, his case, and the action of the courts exposed the corruption of the Canadian 'justice system'. In the end however, he got the Supreme Court to (temporarily) overturn the censorship law in Canada, (temporarily) obtaining freedom of expression for Canadians.
He hired execution engineer Fred Leuchter to create a report.
Engineer Fred Leuchter
Fred Leuchter was an engineer for executions in the USA. USA is the only nation to execute people using gas. Fred Leuchter was persecuted extensively for reporting results of an investigation he was hired to do and being a court witness.
About Fred Leuchter, his gas execution chamber, and Auschwitz.
lbry://@CanUnknown#6/Fred-Leuchter#8
Ernst Zundel and the Leuchter Report.
lbry://@TheTruthWillSetYouFree:a/Fred-Leuchter-Legend-of-Auschwitz:9
Historian Harry Elmer James
At Good Reads Was a favorite of Murray Rothbard. Murray was an influential economist, citizen of the USA, and Jewish. Murray also claimed that the Holocaust was a hoax propagated to justify the war afterwards.
Historian Dean Irebodd
alias DenierBud
- At Daily Motion
- Buchenwald—A Dumb Dumb Portrayal Of Evil - 1 of 3 by Dean Irebodd
- Dean Irebodd at Archive.Org
David Cole
There was a Jew named David Cole who initially exposed Holocaust lies. The Jewish Defense League threatened to murder him. He sent a message to them recanting his position. He changed his name to David Stein, and also used other pseudonyms. As a man physically beaten, broken in his principles and financially, he started working for the Holocaust propandasts -- where there was money being offered. As reported by The Guardian,
He knew the subject, needed an income and US schools and universities had budgets to commission such projects. He said: "I gave mainstream audiences what they wanted."
Anthony Lawson
Holocaust, Hate Speech & Were the Germans so Stupid?
Holocaust, Hate Speech & Were the Germans so Stupid? by Anthony Lawson (Censored at YouTube)
21:50 beginning of Holocaust questioning.
Zyklon B requires 25.7C to vaporize. Couldn't have operated in the stated 3 to 15 minutes without heating. Average yearly temperature of Auschwitz is 8C. Humidity / water vapor decreases evaporation of Hydrogen Cyanide.
Particular Historical Events and Artifacts
- Rebuttal of 'bone dissolving machines' and death estimates
- Herman Rosenblat about his holocaust lies on ABC TV (Video)
Senator Thomas Dodd wrote of the staff of the Nuremberg trials, "this staff is about seventy-five percent Jewish." Link
Enforcing the propaganda
Holocaust revisionists who renounced the truth to save their neck
From Task Force for International Cooperation on Holocaust Education, Remembrance and Research
"Teachers should be careful not to unwittingly legitimise the deniers through engaging in a false debate."
Handbook For Teachers: Guidelines for Teaching About the Holocaust "do not ... seek to disprove the deniers' position through normal historical debate and rational argument."
Internet Censorship
- Amazon
- Google (At BlogSpot , YouTube)
- Archive.Org . About its censorship. Example
USA
20 states require by law that schools indoctrinate children with holocaust propaganda. Ethnic studies in law It is pushed in both history classes and classes about the English language, in which some schools assign propaganda as reading.
Florida
Florida has the largest proportion of Jews of all states. (Not counting DC, which has more.)
Bill requiring Black History, Holocaust education in Florida's school curriculum signed into law
A bill requiring the Florida Department of Education to develop standards and curriculum to teach students about the Holocaust, anti-Semitism, and Black history was signed into law by Gov. Ron DeSantis this week.
Texas
Texas may soon start presenting some information debunking the Holocaust as part of a requirement to present multiple perspectives on "widely debated and currently controversial" issues. Link
Germany
It is illegal to contradict the state mandated sentiment or narrative. When you are being tried in court, it is illegal for your defence lawyer/barrister to present evidence which proves you were correct. The propaganda is taught in schools. In former East Germany, a student would have had to endure classes for years in which the students must proclaim the guilt of Germans.
United Kindom
If BitChute is an indication, refuting the Shoah is illegal or at least hosters are threatened by government agencies.
The trouble with these folks is they never seem to come up with a side-by-side like "Here is what DeSantis's curriculum teaches" and "Here is the proof of the error in that teaching from an unimpeachable source". This OP is not a list of assertions, just a list of sources with some teasers about Zyklon and Hitler diaries.
So I click the first link to CODOH, go to their introductory pamphlet (which you could have linked instead of their shop), and after a quick read I find (emphasis original), "Starting in the late 1800s, and climaxing during and after the First(!) World War, mainly American Jewish organizations were claiming that six million Jews(!) would suffer terribly in Eastern Europe, even stating they were being exterminated in a holocaust." While I don't know much about the other claims, I debunked this claim previously on c/Conspiracies. No source is provided by CODOH, but when sources were provided they were basically a newspaper archive search to any reference to "six million Jews" in any context, which it's not hard to find cites for that don't have any more application than any other number of Jews. The idea that there was a continuous narrative prophesying exactly 6 million Jews would die in a sacrifice (original meaning of holocaust) for decades is so misguided as to poison the well for whatever else they would have to say.
I'm open-minded, and I find the memorials to Jewish deaths in WWII a little imbalanced with respect to memorials to Gentile deaths; but if the first hard document the "deniers" produce has a problem in it that I've already debunked, I'm not going to fall for Gell-Mann amnesia. Do you wish to make your own comparison of authoritatively taught mistaken beliefs versus authoritative debunkings of those mistakes?
Add: First! Maybe you should crosspost to c/DeclineIntoCensorship.
CODOH's FAQ repeats this claim and sources it to The First Holocaust by Don Heddesheimer, where Germar Rudolf's introduction (pp. 30-31) shows the actual results of searches for millions of Jews (between 1 and 7) in Historic American Newspapers 1836-1922 and New York Times 1851-1939:
"x million Jews", all news, 1-7: 100 103 123 58 87 71 49.
"x,000,000 Jews", all news, 1-7: 425 205 260 198 273 198 149.
"x million Jews", New York, 1-7: 4 2 9 ? 7 4 2. (There is an omitted result at 4 million.)
"x,000,000 Jews", New York, 1-7: 37 27 45 12 26 16 7.
You can see that three million is the local outlier among these, not six million. Rudolf admits this backhandedly: "So there is no particular preponderance for six million. However, when looking up the actual newspaper articles, it turns out that only the entries of seven, six and five million are predominantly about claims of suffering Jews or Jews in danger of being exterminated, with a focus on five and six million. Lower figures are usually about some mundane issue, like how many Jews live in New York or in the U.S. or some other country, for instance." Except that the six million number is usually a population figure for Russia or some subset of Europe as well, as you can see in my earlier linked comment. Using a textual search is a highly imprecise way to establish a fact of a "known prophecy", but this is the subject of the entire book, which CODOH helpfully publishes online.
One more useful illustration. Charles Manson was never caught personally killing anyone or ordering anyone to be killed. But he was sentenced to death row anyway as a murderer and conspiracist for his indirect manipulation of the murderers. In the same way Adolf Hitler typically kept himself from going on the record about ordering the killing of people, but he has been held responsible for it posthumously anyway. I think it's possible to be a murderer, justly recognized as one, without ever officially doing or ordering the deed, if there is a tacit commitment and social pressure to the same goal alongside those who actually do the killing.
I haven't looked into that because I didn't think it important.
It is not disputed that Germany and the USA put people of ethnicities associated with enemies into concentration camps. USA pressured them to renounce their citizenship.
As for the numbers in German camps, we do have some things to estimate by, as in the links I provided. That includes British decodings of of Enigma machine transmissions, which relay the number of deaths each day in the camps and their causes. We also know something of the amount of coal delivered to the camps and have searched them for mass graves. We know the number and type of crematoria. There is also circumstantial evidence of policy -- such as a camp director being investigated and convicted by the NSDAP for an unwarranted execution of 2 Jews.
I used to have a link to a site called holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com or something like that but it's no longer available. I have a degree in history and WWI/WWII was a large focus of my studies. I can tell you that only the official narrative was taught, and anything I brought up that was "controversial" was ignored by my classmates and teachers. I started with an easy topic, thinking I could gain some ground, but was denied any thoughtful discussion.
I brought up the fact that typhus was the largest killer of troops in WWI and many during WWII...that is, until the Nazis developed a treatment that killed lice instantly (lice caused typhus). It was called Zyklon B and used to delouse workers in "gas chambers". This was the same process used all over the world, for example, at Ellis Island in America. The same photos we've all seen of "concentration camp victims" being lined up in chambers are no worse than the photos of immigrants being deloused at Ellis Island. It was standard procedure for many decades leading up to, during, and after WWII.
Then I brought up the Katyn Massacre, an event that was used for about 50 years as the main "proof" that Nazis had mass-exterminated Jews. It wasn't until 1990 that the Soviet government admitted they lied about the whole thing, and had documents to prove that the Soviets had carried out the massacre in the Polish forests. My teacher simply replied with, "Well, with history, sometimes we can't prove things until much later on, and this is one example." Yeah, I'll say.
So is it true what Wikipedia says, that a similar formula to Zyklon A had been used by Germany as a weapon in WWI?
I'm a little lost on how you delouse people with a widely available poisonous gas rather than clothing. It's not like a prison will distribute large numbers of gas masks for a mass human delousing event, or that there is evidence of gas masks other than for the Sonderkommandos. You say your easy topics were ignored?
Honestly, I'd be more concerned with the established etymological connection between Zyklon and Ku Klux.
I don't know for sure, but I know from my own research that the Germans were not the first to use chemical weapons in WWI...they simply retaliated after the French gassed them first. But like all things war, Germany is blamed as the catalyst for all suffering. Your point about people vs clothing is accurate though. I should've made that clear. My point was about the images of naked people getting ready to enter the "gas chambers", when they were really getting ready for a shower. The parallel between Auschwitz and Ellis Island speaks for itself though:
"To determine the "mental fitness" of new arrivals, an examiner administered an exam involving a wooden 10-piece puzzle known as the Feature Profile Test. According to the Smithsonian , officials said the exam would help keep out "feeble-minded" immigrants.
Howard A. Knox, a physician who developed the test, said it would sort out immigrants "who may, because of their mental make-up, become a burden to the State or who may produce offspring that will require care in prisons, asylums, or other institutions."
The puzzle test was used until 1916."
I wonder if Germany got the idea from the US.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/ap-explains-immigrant-entry-exams-puzzles-delousing-63152823
Watch the Leuchter Report. Leuchter is the engineer who evaluated the claimed gas execution chambers for a Canadian court case. They did not delouse people using Zyklon B. They used it to delouse textiles. People had their heads shaved and took showers.
I'm also troubled by, when I look up Irving's article, his primary sources are Zuendel and Leuchter, the next two names you give, suggesting a very tight-knit scholarship. But neither this nor the misinterpretation of news as "prophecy" are important to the case, as they only go to suggest that extraordinary claims are not being answered by extraordinary data.
In my quickie research this morning I found that "In 1994, the Institute for Forensic Research in Kraków re-examined Leuchter's claim, stating that formation of Prussian blue by exposure of bricks to cyanide is not a highly probable reaction." So before I watch reports (I very rarely research via video), I'd also need a later source explaining why criticisms of Leuchter's results are also fallacious. One would think these data would be kept up to date.
Since you ask, I find in the lead to Leuchter's article that he was given probation for misrepresenting himself as an engineer; but you just re-represented him as an engineer, which is what he plea-bargained about in the first place. Is that not relevant? And he was paid $30,000 to file this report in 1988 to benefit Zuendel's case, and Zuendel lost as he had before in 1985 and would again in 2007, and Leuchter's report was excluded from the trial due to his lack of engineering credentials. Is that not relevant?
I like to be open-minded, and someone going to jail repeatedly claiming to suffer for The Truth is a great hook; but of all the people who've been in that boat, besides Jesus, I can count on one hand those whose claims stood up to more than prima facie scrutiny. (Lots of people truly suffer unjustly, but most of them don't claim the issue is unappreciated Truth.) Where's the extraordinary evidence that should be second nature to Truth possessors? Pulverized concrete retaining low levels of Prussian blue is thoroughly uncompelling in context.
How about listening to or reading the materials before you try and rebut them? That way I don't need to repeat everything here.
We know of the masonry produced the chemical they checked for (I think one of them was Prussian blue, but am unsure) because the masonry of the delousing chambers were full of it. Also, there was a German chemist who produced a report only about chemical reactions of cyanide and stone or mortar. His report showed that the chemicals absent in the fake killing chambers were indeed produced by cyanide gas contact. He did not reference anything about the Holocaust. His report was only about reactions of chemical gas and yet he was prosecuted for violation of the Holocaust censorship law. All you need to do to not fall for the Holocaust industry lies is available from the links I provided.
The first item I read was an intro text that contained a material error in a subject I had researched.
The second item I read was an FAQ that linked a book on that same material error. I quoted where the book undercut its entire argument.
Before I read the details of a claim I use Wikipedia to get background, not on the truth of the claim, but on what has been published by whom about it. I find that there exists a report credibly debunking the Leuchter report and point out questionable facts about the latter's provenance. I'm not interested in learning a lot about cyanide today, I'm interested in how I can make a quick judgment whether the subject is worth my time. When I was introduced to 9/11 theory I was told I would be very happy to learn a lot about structural steel; I put off reading the material for months but, having no extraordinary reasons to doubt what I was told, eventually read it, and it was true that I was very happy to learn the details. Here you're trying to make the same claim about the interest level I should find in your material, and I have a free day, and yet the material itself is repelling me at every turn. Because of that, I limit myself to what you present on its face rather than read every link. Why should I read a Leuchter report when it won't deny that Leuchter had the rock pulverized, obscuring the surface traces, and it won't tell me why this method is superior to analyzing the surface only, and you don't have anything later on this subject either?
You're not indicating that Leuchter's results, given his methods, have any basis for reaching the conclusion that the main method of execution at Auschwitz was not a poisonous gas that they had plenty of, along with the crematoria that CODOH admits they had. I told you that a report with different methods found plenty of cyanide residue in the "gas chambers" but not in the residences. To reject the later report, more extraordinary evidence is necessary than has been presented. And you have an open forum and are presenting to an open mind, and you do not have the data. If I wanted to write 500 words on 9/11, I could present very credible and tangible lines of evidence for my conclusions, and would submit them to scrutiny, acknowledge and answer critics, and not overcome listeners with links until they were ready for more. (I have been doing exactly that as to affirming the traditional reading of the Bible at c/Christianity all year.) If you and this movement are facing such a Big Lie, there ought to have been developed a simple way to express the truth in a short period; that's what CODOH's intro pamphlet is supposed to do (which you didn't reference but I did). But it doesn't.
Incidentally, this is a narrowly-defined forum for Q support. You have received the tolerance of all readers for an off-topic post, because you claim your view of the subject is suppressed. You are yourself providing reasons why this happens.
Add: I have great respect for Murray Rothbard, and just discovered that you mentioned him in the midst of the OP. National Review found him "culpably indulgent" of the view which "specifically denies that the Holocaust actually happened or holds that it was in some way exaggerated". That's somewhat different from your direct claim that "Murray also claimed that the Holocaust was a hoax propagated to justify the war afterwards," which you'd think Wikipedia would mention if said claim was so obviously made rather than indirectly. But out of honor for Murray and Austrian economics, try me again with a data point or argument.
Their number of crematoria are known to be inadequate. That is another simple calculation and another basis of debunking the myth.
I don't know why i would expect a propaganda site to do such a thing.
There is the claim about Rothbard:
Libertarian Chris Tame witnessed Rothbard claim the Holocaust was just propaganda made up to justify WW II after the war.
Funny, /pol/ couldn't find the original source for this claim. That explains why Rothbard isn't cited with it. Looks like Rothbard was cagier with his words and Tame may be the only source for an unguarded moment inaccurately reported thirdhand.
If the calculation is simple it should be citable. Jean-Claude Pressac, formerly a Holocaust denier, said the Nazis claimed Auschwitz could handle 4,756 bodies a day sometime after 1939. That suffices for a million deaths there.
Look, I'm new to the debate, I only do this when someone says something silly and I look to find out what can be determined about it. And it's this easy to debunk immediately with decent-seeming sources. And the things you link keep failing to add up. What kind of Truth is it that is so hard for the experienced person to present and so easy for the newcomer to reject from experience and reasonable authority? At some point so much mainstream material is rejected by the deniers that the existence of the Nazis themselves is called into question. (After all, they never called themselves Nazis, only NSDAP. See how easy it is?)
Maybe we should talk about how truth claims are determined by preponderance of evidence and what it means to pursue truth wherever it leads so that we have a common methodology for evaluating claims?