This is probably going to rustle some feathers given that thread a mod stickied a while back, but it has to be said. EVERYTHING going on right now in regards to the trans crap and pedophilia is because of the forced acceptance of the gay agenda. You can say that they're piggybacking all you want, but the fact remains that the slippery slope "fallacy" has all but been proven true at this point.
Most people will generally agree that what two consenting adults do in private is between them and God. I won't say I don't care, because I don't want them to go to hell, but it's none of my business what they do in private, and I don't want to know what they do in private.
But this constant gay agenda acceptance push, legalizing gay marriage (personally I think marriage shouldn't be a government institution anyway, but that's another story), forcing everyone to compromise their beliefs and faith to make appease a fringe minority, etc. etc. has done nothing but cause a moral degradation of society.
Personally, I think it's a neurological defect. Which used to be the official psychologist narrative for decades until all of a sudden all mental health problems were "misdiagnosed because of intolerance" for hundreds of years. So I firmly believe there's probably a treatment for it just like how there's hundreds of cures for basically every disease, virus, and sickness known to man that's been held from us by the cabal.
But the point remains, and you can disagree if you want but everyone knows I'm right when I say this. If we don't rip out the entire rainbow tree out by the root, we'll just end up right back here in a few generations. It's just like any form of corruption, if you don't completely get rid of it, it'll fester and grow and come back once again.
And I don't know about everyone else, but anything that ultimately leads to satanic transhumanism and pedophilia is not something I find "acceptable" in any way, shape, form, or how.
You aren't getting rid of gay people. They've been around since ancient Greece, at least. You aren't removing them from the culture as even when they were forced into the closet they were some of the most influential cultural icons we had.
The problem isn't gay people. Even many of them are saying this shit is way off the deep end. Also most don't identify with the trans movement because they are entirely different issues.
Ask yourself why a sexual desire movement ended up tied to a sexual identity one even though they have no obvious connection beyond being oppressed. IMO, it's just as Tucker talked about last week. When gay marriage was made legal suddenly a bunch of NGOs no longer had an objective. There were no anti-gay laws, they could get married and it seemed all of that was behind us. But those people still want their paychecks and don't want to end the grift so they need to find a new group.
The problem is an incentive one. The problem is the free money coming from the government and the influence all that money can buy. If money was a representation of real value then stuff like this would have a hard time getting funded.
You need to change the culture of victimhood which makes people want to donate to this shit. Meaning we need to create people who reward those who overcome their hardships rather than pride themselves on being broken and helpless.
We also need to stop the government debasing all of our hard work by taking the representation of our value, our money supply, and giving it to these pet projects which work to further each other's goals. The NGO gets the money and the politician gets the vote. That's assuming there aren't more nefarious intentions like the theories of intentional depopulation through pushing trans and gay movements.
I'm not gay/trans, I don't have any in my life, I have no dog in that fight. I just don't see anything getting better by shoving them back into the closet only to deal with them wanting revenge again at a later date putting us in this endless cycle of taking revenge on each other and forgetting how we got there.
Change the incentives that create this destructive nonsense rather than attack the people who are mostly just puppets of self interested, greedy, fucking monsters.
Of course we're not going to get rid of gay people, there have been gays since the dawn of time. I don't disagree with most of what you said, but you'd be a fool to ignore history. Every single time in history that a nation comes to "accept" this kind of thing it leads to moral degradation and eventually they either completely collapse (ala ancient greece and rome), or some kind of political revolution with immense consequences (The Weimar Republic and Nazi Germany).
History repeats itself and its not hard to see the pattern.
Then bringing gay people away from the bath houses into marriage is a way to stop that degradation. Converting them to a more respectable lifestyle will have better results than trying to force them to not be part of society.
And yet, since gay marriage was legalized and not just "accepted" but forced down the throats of people, we've continued to degrade to the point we now have trannies dressed as demons preaching propaganda to children, open pedophiles demanding we "respect their rights" in the form of "MAP"s, and gay choirs openly singing about forcibly converting straight peoples children to homosexuality against the will of their parents.
Yeah, that worked out "so well".
Taking it back won't make things better. Also, the gay scene did improve. We now see gay couples acting the same as nuclear families. The more wild aspects of gay culture is going away in favor of more traditional lifestyles.
The people who are trying to make MAP a thing are trying to hijack that movement. The more degenerate gays from the 80s and 90s were working really hard to stop the association between gays and pedophilia. There's many today who are enraged that people who claim to be in their camp are bringing back those associations they fought so hard to break.
I not only understand your rage, I share it but I just don't think beating up on the gay community, trying to undo gay marriage or shove them back into the closet will have any positive effects.
Assimilation is what made Irish and Italians go from comparable to black people to just like every other white person. You're more likely to reach your objectives making gay people more like you than pushing them back to the fringes. The problem we have is incentives and bad people, who probably live traditional lives themselves, in control.