“But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.”
I Thessalonians 4:13-18 NKJV
I posted the link to the post from yesterday if you want to read our debate. I'm not sure which side you're arguing with this quote. I love these verses since they clearly show that being caught up with the Lord happens after the dead in Christ are resurrected. So you cannot insert a pre-trib rapture into Revelations. Since Rev20 describes the "First resurrection" including those who refuse the beast.
Matthew 27 KJV 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
It depends on whether Moses or Elijah were dead when they were caught up, but this here ^^ was one of the first resurrections.
This is a very interesting part of the gospels. But it's clearly not passing the test defined in the book of Revelations. Rev 20 defines the first resurrection. Whatever happened back then was not what Jesus calls the "First".
So Jesus wasn't resurrected? Obviously, the "first" resurrection in the tribulation is the first resurrection of the tribulation. It's called rightly dividing the word.
“But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.” I Thessalonians 4:13-18 NKJV
Music to my heart. Thanks for actually quoting the Word. No arguing there for anyone v
I posted the link to the post from yesterday if you want to read our debate. I'm not sure which side you're arguing with this quote. I love these verses since they clearly show that being caught up with the Lord happens after the dead in Christ are resurrected. So you cannot insert a pre-trib rapture into Revelations. Since Rev20 describes the "First resurrection" including those who refuse the beast.
Resurrection - Rapture. Here is where we want to start our study.
Matthew 27 KJV 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
It depends on whether Moses or Elijah were dead when they were caught up, but this here ^^ was one of the first resurrections.
Visions
This is a very interesting part of the gospels. But it's clearly not passing the test defined in the book of Revelations. Rev 20 defines the first resurrection. Whatever happened back then was not what Jesus calls the "First".
I'll trust Him.
So Jesus wasn't resurrected? Obviously, the "first" resurrection in the tribulation is the first resurrection of the tribulation. It's called rightly dividing the word.
He was the first among his brethren.