"The opening work of this new day of the kingdom is the preparation for reigning of the sons of God! The great work of the seal of God in the forehead is the change of our mind, or more accurately the taking of another mind. The taking of a new mind brings about the existence of a new being, and a new being brings about the existence of a new order! The work that God is doing in His sons in this present hour is not about power. It’s powerful alright, but it’s not about power. It’s about character! The mark of the sons of God is in their mind and in their nature! The present mind of man is polluted and there is no denying the fact. All the appropriations of all the governments, all the laws and ordinances, all the wars and change of governmental systems, all the charity, relief, and social organizations and programs, all the rituals and promotions of religion, will do little good whatever in correcting the problems of moral pollution or any other kind of pollution, until the mind of man is cleansed and renewed. The sons of God, having the seal of the living God upon their foreheads, and the Father’s name and the Lamb’s name encoded within their foreheads, are the FIRSTFRUITS OF AN ENTIRELY NEW ORDER OF MEN TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY TRANSFORMED BY THE RENEWING OF THEIR MINDS! What glorious hope and expectation this inspires in our hearts!"
Much more in the larger study:
The act of "renewing your mind," in the church age, is to read and learn the Word of God. This knowledge doesn't just float in. Whoever wrote this article, has not renewed his mind quite yet. Jesus Christ was the firstfruit, at His Death the graves were opened.
Matthew 27:52 KJV And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
And the earth gave up it's firstfruits.
The author is confusing this with Church Age saints.
"The apostle John expresses this truth so clearly when he writes, “And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true…” (I Jn. 5:20). These words teach us the sacred truth that it is only by understanding that we can truly know God! Not by our human understanding, but by the understanding He gives us — the understanding of the spirit! The first step in our journey into the fullness of God is spiritual understanding; we perceive the Lord, we perceive the word, the will, and the ways of the Lord. Knowledge, then, is the fruit of understanding! Have we not often had the cart before the horse? Have we not supposed that knowledge came first, followed by understanding? But such cannot be! If one does not understand a thing he cannot know it! Someone says, “Well, I know a thing but I don’t understand it.” I reply, “When you do understand it, then you will truly know it!” Can you not see how that works? So God first gives us an understanding, that out of that understanding may be birthed knowledge. Understanding is the conception in the womb, knowledge is the development of the organism. First we understand, then we know. And God has given us an understanding that we might know Him! Thus the HEAVENS OF OUR SPIRITUAL LIFE ARE ESTABLISHED BY UNDERSTANDING, as the wise man said! By understanding we perceive spiritual truth and reality, by knowledge that truth is made substance within us, which in turn leads us to wisdom. That is the order!"
Not by our human understanding, but by the understanding He gives us — the understanding of the spirit! The first step in our journey into the fullness of God is spiritual understanding; we perceive the Lord, ---->we perceive the word<-----, the will, and the ways of the Lord. Knowledge, then, is the fruit of understanding!
What do you think I'm trying to say? And, to follow this through, such a clear misunderstanding of the firstfruits in Christ, leads me to believe that this dude needs to 1) either gain more knowledge or 2) take the Bible literally.
"These great and eternal principles are true in us because they are true in God! God has not established an order for us, His sons, that is different from the order that exists within Himself. What God is doing in this hour is taking all the principles and attributes that are true in Him and establishing them as life and reality within the experience of each of His sons. He is causing us to know Him as He is! That does not mean to know Him by acquaintance, but to know Him in union of life — to know Him in our very state of being until there is nothing more to know! We are coming to know how He is, to know His nature, to know how He thinks, to know how and why He acts, to comprehend His plans and purposes, His will and ways, until nothing is hidden or withheld from us. This is not a knowledge of something outside of ourselves, something true in a God in some far-off heaven somewhere. It is knowledge gained by His incarnation within us, in the union of life, so that all that is true in Him is raised up within us as our very own reality. Servants know God by acquaintance; sons know God by the power of His life within!"
to comprehend His plans and purposes, His will and ways, until nothing is hidden or withheld from us.
Yes and when shall we begin? As it stands now, cloud boy has completely missed the firstfruits boat and is adrift in ignorance. Same mistake that the Jehovah witnesses are making by calling themselves the 144,000. Same mistake the nation of Israel made at the time of His first advent, they rejected the Messiah because they thought He would come triumphant, not in suffering. They spiritualized the Word of God instead of taking it literally.
"I am explaining these things in some detail so that together we might clearly see how our Father operates, and therefore how the sons of God function. “The Lord by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath He established the heavens. By His knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew.” How did God establish the heavens? He established the heavens by understanding!"
Andy these things have nothing to do with dispenationalism or literalness. Understanding is literally to see with the mind........until you realize heaven literally now, you will not see. To see is to understand. To understand is to see in the mind. God gives Understanding! Your focus is carnal and you don't know it.
You're expecting a literal apocalypse rather that the Spiritual reality of the already conquering Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is presently conquering in you, bringing you to His kingdom realization, apart from the physical evil world. That is wha Revelation is about, it has nothing to do with the doctrines of physical dispensationalism.
You're expecting a literal apocalypse rather that the Spiritual reality of the already conquering Jesus Christ.
You just tossed out 75% of the Word of God. The same Word that He lived as a man to speak it directly to us. The same Word that His disciples died to give us. It means nothing? He said that there would not be one stone left upon another at the 2nd temple, within 40 years that was true and it is true to this very day. He said the nation of Israel would be dispersed and then regathered, sure enough, the gentiles trod down Jerusalem for 2,500 years, just as he said, and Israel was reborn in 1948, just as He said. Literally.
Not at all, the word of God is alive and powerful, I'm in no way tossing it out by speaking of the Spirit of Jesus Christ being in each member of His body.
The spiritual interpretation of Revelation is the Conquering Jesus Christ in the individual, its end is a complete victory in the individual first, then the cooperate after, it has nothing to do with the outside world you're trying to apply it to, it's the kingdom of God in you.
His doctrine differs from yours, make no mistake, he was a minister of the word of God his whole life. He recently passed away. For 7 decades he was a student of our Lord, and the Bible.
https://www.godfire.net/eby/
In the link is his obituary and an index to his extensive work.
His doctrine differs from yours, but he fought the good fight Andy, don't put your doctrine above the Spirit.
His doctrine differs from yours, but he fought the good fight Andy, don't put your doctrine above the Spirit.
Galatians 1:8 KJV But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
My doctrine is the Word of God, period. His is not, his doctrines on the firstfruits are false and it can easily be proved using the Word of God.
This reverence of man that you have is akin to being a catholic.
Read those words a few times. Your lord is a doctrine. The doctrine you have espoused lords your conversation.
It's an awesome thing to be able to get free of doctrinal trappings.
It really is, and you don’t feel the need to clarify or justify anything. You just live it and know.
My doctrine is to learn the mind of Christ. There is no other way the to learn the Word that He Himself spoke.
2 Timothy 3 KJV 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Read those^^ words a few times.
Much better.
Notice you used mind of Christ, that is not a fisical thing, but it is a literal thing, it is literally spiritual.
Scripture is profitable for doctrine, reproof and correction, that you may be perfected. It means we use Scripture to teach Spirit. The Holy Spirit, our teacher, is perfect, and bringing us to literal spiritual perfection, it's an awesome the Andy.
Do you believe you are the firstfruits of God, as cloud boy has stated?
I'll bet they called Jesus cloud boy.....
People are in different stages of discipleship, we're really not in charge of where we are, our king and teacher is Jesus Christ, by the right hand of the Father, through the Holy Spirit.
I don't follow a man's teachings, I'm not proving everything Eby, I simply enjoy gis writing and find it worthy of sharing.
"The nature of God is written in the forehead or mind of every son of God! When the nature of God is written in one’s forehead, how will that one act and react in relation to the enticements of the flesh, the pressures of the world, the needs of mankind, and the snares of the devil? They will act like God! That is why God has no problem in turning His kingdom over to His sons to judge and rule over all things. They possess His mind and heart! The sons will not, and cannot, act any differently than the will and purpose of the Father! All the sons want is what the Father wants! That doesn’t mean, as some suppose, that a son must run to his Father every hour, or every day, or every week inquiring, “Father, what do you want me to do? How should I handle this situation?” and then wait there for an answer. Oh, no! The sons have the mind of the Father, they inherently possess the knowledge of His will, ways, and purpose. Sons instinctively, spontaneously understand the plans of the Father! This sacred knowledge is inborn and inbred in the very constitution of the new creation man!"
"We used to think that in order to get a “word” from God we had to hide out in a room and pray for an hour. Now don’t misunderstand what I say — I do believe in prayer and the power of prayer. It is part of the cosmic order of God. No man on earth has walked out this life of sonship more perfectly than our elder brother, the Lord Jesus, and He prayed often, sometimes all night. But He wasn’t praying to “get” something from the Father; He prayed because He was a Son and shared that intimacy of fellowship with the Father. It was the Father in Him that showed Him the works! That is plainly what He Himself said. He knew the Father’s voice within Himself at all times, for the Father was in Him as His very life and reality. Oh, the wonder of it! When God dwells in His temple He speaks out of His temple at all times. “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom…” (Col. 3:16). That’s not talking about memorizing scripture verses or getting an occasional “word of knowledge”! It’s talking about the true experience of every son — the voice of the Son of God speaking out of His habitation in our spirit by the mind of the Father within."
"It’s talking about the true experience of every son — the voice of the Son of God speaking out of His habitation in our spirit by the mind of the Father within."